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posted April 03, 2017 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking forward to reading more on Neptune!

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posted April 03, 2017 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune transits in hard aspect to Venus (parallel, conjunct, square, contra-parallel, opposite):

This can be a really good transit or one filled with disillusionment because of heightened romanticized expectations. The main risk is floating along with unrealistic expectations of the object(s) of your affection, expectations that aren't fair and that no one could live up to.

I really enjoyed this transit 2009-13. It was when my wife and I met and got married. I also experienced some doubts as to my desire to commit, but in time they were put aside, as were other romantic interests. Don't carry a divided heart through this period or it will feel like slow water torture.

Consider that it may be time to overcome feelings of insecurity or inadequacy that make you look to some idealized person to make you feel loved; or that similarly you look to rescue someone yourself to feel better about yourself as a human being. Charity and sacrifice of some comforts are both okay, so long as you do it from your heart without expectations attached.

Think of it as a time of resetting personal ideals to guide you into more spiritual, compassionate relating. Ideals are flexible for self-guidance, unlike standards or expectations put upon others.

It is a great time to learn the practicalities of compassion and start a new phase of relationships with more willingness within self and how we can give of ourselves, from kindness (rather than objects or trinkets).

Artistry of all kinds can be much enhanced during these Neptune transits to Venus. Let your creative and more romanticized views of the world come out in color, poetry, song, and dance as much as you can.

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posted April 03, 2017 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm experiencing this as well, transiting neptune squaring natal venus less than 2 degrees.

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posted April 04, 2017 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuileries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So i had Pluto trine Moon; Pluto will retrograde back at 2 degrees to the exact trine one more time and i have Neptune opposite Moon coming up, Neptune being 2,5 degrees from exact opposition to my Moon. Last year Saturn squared my Moon also. Is that a larger Moon-theme i am supposed to work through?

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posted April 04, 2017 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tuileries,

So I take it that your natal Moon is 14.5° Virgo. With those transits in sequence ... first the Pluto trine, then Saturn square it, now Neptune opposite it ...

I imagine that you first experienced some emotional awakening, with stronger feelings and more internal awareness than usual (Pluto); then came a period of limitations or awareness of where you were falling short of happiness or fluid function of health (Saturn).

With the Neptune transit now expect that you may find more health issues and insecurities exposed, and that you should be cautious as to the remedies you attempt, the fluids taken into the body (especially intoxicating ones). Such Neptune transits often signal a time in which you cannot internalize things you previously could and begin to feel averse to much of the harshness of the world that you previously ignored.

It is a period in which the body may change and you may develop allergies or more pronounced negative reactions to things you previously seemed capable of handling. Be sure to get screened for such allergies/intolerances and checked out for any stomach/gut issues you may have.

It is a transit of potential escapism, but your Moon in Virgo health sensibilities can help you now, especially if you study to find what material remedies can be brought to play in your well being.

It is also a time in which your feelings can deceive you about another person, whether you are idealizing or 'rescuing' them. Persons can be very impressionable during this transit and that makes it a good time to avoid harsh negativity and persons putting it out. Recraft the home environment and your associations as needed to bring a sense of order and clarity.

Don't take any of your moods to seriously during this time, because they are likely to be mere changing perceptions at the emotional level rather than a solid basis upon which to make commitments or life changing decisions.

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posted April 04, 2017 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Kannon how are you? Well I hope!! Hopefully better since the last time we spoke.

I have a Question,
Last view years I went through the T. Pluto opps Venus transit.
( (nightmare)

Coming up next is T. Pluto conjunct NN (26Cap)

Then after that

T. Pluto will be opposite my Sun/Moon/ Mercury all at the same time? Then once its finished with that it will opps my Mars.

Wondering what I should prepare for? Geez have you ever known any one having T.Pluto opposition of 3 personal planets at once??

Since Pluto moves so slowly, I have maybe 10 years before that happens. (When T. Pluto will be in mid Aqua) I will be in my 50 by then, SO Im guessing maybe I will have health issue, Especially since my Leo Planets are in H6.

What do you think?

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posted April 04, 2017 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness, I wouldn't look ahead that far. You've got enough Pluto on your plate right now.

I think what you're experiencing now from Pluto is its square to your natal Uranus, that is still not over; also its contra-parallel to natal Saturn.

Pluto square natal Uranus is a transit of collective (societal) changes pressing upon your life. It will seem as revolutionary upheaval, but need not be devastating. I went through it several years ago in my transition from Texas to Oregon and it was an exciting time. What it often signals is sweeping changes around you that affect you, but in which you are not actively involved in creating.

We still have to find a way to adapt to these changes, however, rather than indulging in wishful thinking that society would not do what it is doing.

If you take change as inevitable and proceed with a creator's willfulness that you will create some important changes for yourself, then you'll get through it better than before. You have to be proactive and willing to upset the stagnancy in your own life to do it. Then it becomes liberating to a degree you may have never known. It will be over early next year.

Pluto's transit contra-parallel your natal Saturn will continue, however. That is a transit of power struggles (since 2014). So maybe these two are what you are calling a nightmare since the Pluto transit to your Venus was over by 2012.

This period is a time of coming to terms with limitations and giving up some things that are not actually essential so as not to over-reach physically or financially. It can be a time of less pay or resources than it seems you need, and/or office politics working against you. Power struggles with someone who seems to have too much power to affect you can also be an issues.

It is a time of struggle that will be over by mid-2020. Let go of what is too much of a strain to keep. Re-prioritize your efforts based on solid lasting values. There is no point to holding on to the past or persons who obviously belong there. Keep your personal power well in hand.

This is one of those transits most of us have to go through at some point, in which the course of evolution changes the structure of our lives and our inner structure in response to our own unconscious. Good practice is 'letting go of things' practice in which one easy 'thing' at a time we say, "I can let go of that," and tomorrow or next week do the same until we are left with our true self and true values shining more clearly than before.

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posted April 05, 2017 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness, as to the Pluto transit to your N.Node, it has already been happening in declination since Pluto has been 21° south and that's right where your N.Node is in declination. So that transit started before the one to Saturn.

This is a chance to reshape your life in a major way over the next several years. You'll meet at least one person who can assist you in truly becoming a more empowered person. It will definitely bring some adjustments at home too, possibly a move or a back-and-forth dynamic of some kind.

Most important is the fact that you'll probably learn you're capable of certain things you never dreamed of.

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posted April 05, 2017 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuileries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your insight, Kannon. My moon is 15,33 Virgo. The Pluto transit was incredibly difficult and intense. I add that Pluto is on my progressed ascendant since 3 years and squares natal MC right now.

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posted April 05, 2017 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason that I emphasize Pluto and Neptune transits as having long lasting effects and after-effects is that in spite of their trans-personal nature, the experience we have under their influence are often taken very personally.

Pluto has been likened to Shiva the destroyer for its tendency to time breakdowns or an initial destruction phase before we experience the improvement/re-creation phase. if we get so down about how the house around us has been torn up that we never get on the the efforts needed for the improvements, then it is easy to see how living in that (negative) state of mind can carry over into the next phase of life.

Pluto is mostly unconscious in its force and can seem ruthless, but if we were to personify its purpose it would be to return to us command of our lives and inner selves so that we are able to end our lives without regrets and more evolved than we started. Its objectives are evolutionary and spiritual.

Consider the state of mind in which you would want your life to best end and aim yourself towards that.

Neptune deals in the non-material interface of pure consciousness with our thought lives and outer lives. It can be quite confusing when we are too intent on holding onto what we perceive as material security. There is ultimately no such thing as material security since all material things are transient products of a creation process in which we participate.

If we forget we are creators and become too dis-believing in ourselves, soaking in too much doubt, then we miss out on the creative potentials.

One aspect of Neptune's purpose is to get us to open our eyes, refresh our vision, and reconsider to make sure we are not deceiving ourselves about what is possible. It operates both on seeing (internally) is believing and believing is seeing (with spiritual vision)[/i], and does not see this as contradictory.

It means seeing others with a clearer, wholer perspective, as well as ourselves.

Too often, in the drive to work and 'survive' materially, strong Neptune transits are not felt as relevant, but as weakening, because to press on in survival is to rely on ego drives rather than remain spiritually open. Neptune tends to lessen the ego drive in favor of reconsidering our motives and understanding. So if we just feel the weakness and fall into self-doubt (or loathing) it is easy to get down on ourselves and stay there long after the transit is over.

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posted April 05, 2017 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tuileries:
Thank you for your insight, Kannon. My moon is 15,33 Virgo. The Pluto transit was incredibly difficult and intense. I add that Pluto is on my progressed ascendant since 3 years and squares natal MC right now.

OK - so extend the timing a bit on the transits I described.

Don't worry about Pluto on prog Asc, which in the secondary method is a symbolic fiction, something not based in the Earth's actual movements in nature. (Also no prog Asc can be conjunct a single planet for 3 years). Besides, most natal Asc figures (and Midheaven) aren't even accurate enough to accurately track the progression of the Asc.

The transits of the planets to natal planets are always reliable. The only question is duration. We usually get plenty of information from those transits to give us what we need to creatively address our lives and keep developing.

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posted April 05, 2017 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuileries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the insight again. So you don't consider progressions at all? I have been observing mine and could relate the progressed moon to life events, working like a clock. Also MC transits with Jupiter and Uranus bringing me sudden cash recently through working independently.. Slightly off-topic but just my observation.

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posted April 06, 2017 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tuileries, yes I use progressions. My statements above were only related to the calculated points (Asc, Midheaven, cusps) in the common secondary method, which are symbolic fictions. No use even considering them. They are not in accord with how the Earth actually turns in nature, which puts 360°+ over the horizon every day, which translates to the same each year of progression, not 1° or so of slow-as-molasses movement seen in the secondary progressed Asc.

Astrology offers us enough planets, factors, tools, etc for great clarity ... and ... for great illusion. I only use tools rooted in how the earth actually rotates and how the planets actually move. The secondary method of progression the Asc/MC is not. However, the planets are progressed properly in the secondary method of progression.

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I've been dealing with a few relations that came into my life over the past year. One where I was pluto to another's moon also in the composite chart and one where another was pluto to my moon.

I nataly have moon conjunct pluto in the first house but I did find myself crying a lot more than usual, a feeling of being like a child again, all sorts of crazy feelings that I'd rather burry deep down. I think these transits make you stronger and wiser. It allows you to find healthy ways to channel your energy.

For anyone going threw this transit or a difficult time in general , CBT ( cognitive behavioral therapy) works really well. My boss gave me this for anger management. Also a sheet on how to know when the body is signaling that we are getting angry, I had to explain to her that I didn't even realize that I was angry, it was like it was just there in 0 to 60.

Also recently did a training on CPI, this helps to understand the severity of a situation and not to over or under react to something during a crisis. It's ok to feel but how you act or react to your feelings is an entirely different thing.

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colorful butterfly, thanks for sharing. What is CPI?

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posted April 09, 2017 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The reason that I emphasize Pluto and Neptune transits as having long lasting effects and after-effects is that in spite of their trans-personal nature, the experience we have under their influence are often taken very personally.

[b]Pluto has been likened to Shiva the destroyer for its tendency to time breakdowns or an initial destruction phase before we experience the improvement/re-creation phase. if we get so down about how the house around us has been torn up that we never get on the the efforts needed for the improvements, then it is easy to see how living in that (negative) state of mind can carry over into the next phase of life.

Pluto is mostly unconscious in its force and can seem ruthless, but if we were to personify its purpose it would be to return to us command of our lives and inner selves so that we are able to end our lives without regrets and more evolved than we started. Its objectives are evolutionary and spiritual.

Consider the state of mind in which you would want your life to best end and aim yourself towards that.

Neptune deals in the non-material interface of pure consciousness with our thought lives and outer lives. It can be quite confusing when we are too intent on holding onto what we perceive as material security. There is ultimately no such thing as material security since all material things are transient products of a creation process in which we participate.

If we forget we are creators and become too dis-believing in ourselves, soaking in too much doubt, then we miss out on the creative potentials.

One aspect of Neptune's purpose is to get us to open our eyes, refresh our vision, and reconsider to make sure we are not deceiving ourselves about what is possible. It operates both on seeing (internally) is believing and believing is seeing (with spiritual vision)[/i], and does not see this as contradictory.

It means seeing others with a clearer, wholer perspective, as well as ourselves.

Too often, in the drive to work and 'survive' materially, strong Neptune transits are not felt as relevant, but as weakening, because to press on in survival is to rely on ego drives rather than remain spiritually open. Neptune tends to lessen the ego drive in favor of reconsidering our motives and understanding. So if we just feel the weakness and fall into self-doubt (or loathing) it is easy to get down on ourselves and stay there long after the transit is over.

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Wow sometimes Astrology can be really amazing! This is exactly what Im going through.
Im at a complete crossroads, I know that this change will we the best thing that ever happen to me. OR the worst thing that ever happen. Theres no safe middle ground which scares the shitz out of me.

Right now fear is my enemy (Saturn??) Im so deeply needing a change, and the opportunity for a change fell on my lap. However I have to decide either way by Tues, or just let fate take its course. Which has some downfalls by not deciding for my self.


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posted April 09, 2017 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Lioness, as to the [b]Pluto transit to your N.Node, it has already been happening in declination since Pluto has been 21° south and that's right where your N.Node is in declination. So that transit started before the one to Saturn.

This is a chance to reshape your life in a major way over the next several years. You'll meet at least one person who can assist you in truly becoming a more empowered person. It will definitely bring some adjustments at home too, possibly a move or a back-and-forth dynamic of some kind.

Most important is the fact that you'll probably learn you're capable of certain things you never dreamed of.

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My natal NN is in Cap in H11,
Ive been working on creating an online store. Plus Ive been considering moving out of state. The opportunity I wrote about above will give me the finances to do all that. HOWEVER to get the finances I must stop working at my current job, with no steady income.

Here is what is going on.
Ive been working for the same company for 23 yrs, pretty much my whole entire adult life.
My company is laying off people, they offered voluntary Lay off with a generous severance package.
Other wise, you wait to see if you get laid off or not, if you do get laid off, you get a not so generous severance package.

I was already working on starting an online store, however I know it will take a while (if ever) for any actual money to be steady. I was planning on working, and doing the store at the same time. Until I felt comfortable.

Leaving the company will give me a large sum of money to work with, but also no medical insurance, and I drive a company car, so then no car.

Im just really torn. Ii own a house and don't want to end u loosing everything.

Sadly I have to make this decision all before 4pm Tues.

Euhhhh

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@Kannon

Thanks again for the great article on Neptune. I was wondering what are your thoughts on Neptune squaring AC and DC? Can transits to the AC manifest in physical ways (since the AC rules our physical body)? For example, feeling more lethargic and wanting to sleep more, or changes in the body?

Also, will you ever post information on Pluto transits to Chiron?

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@Kannon

Thanks again for the great article on Neptune. I was wondering what are your thoughts on Neptune squaring AC and DC? Can transits to the AC manifest in physical ways (since the AC rules our physical body)? For example, feeling more lethargic and wanting to sleep more, or changes in the body?


That transit can induce a sense of lower energy and strength as with the transits to Sun or Mars. So it is good to get checked out physically to be sure there is nothing wrong. There probably isn't, but you wouldn't want to spend the 4-5 years of the transit feeling bad when you could address it directly.

Relationships can take a backseat or become uncertain or also less vigorous, unless idealism is a strong factor in them at that time. The other side of the coin is that it can be a period of disillusionment in a relationship if one has been carrying mis-beliefs about another.

The purpose of the transit is to reset one's identity along more spiritual, internal lines of consciousness rather than allowing the continuation of 'body momentum' or ego momentum. Insecurity can lead some to put on a front during that time, deceiving or evading others. It is understandable to pull back from some social interaction, but it is still best to delve into internal matters and clear out shame, guilt, and personal mis-beliefs.

It is an opportunity to reset personal vision along lines of truth guided by clear perception -- intuition -- to renew relation to faith (in life) over faith in a particular person or belief.

For some, it can be a time of pronounced creativity if that has been the path of development leading up to the transit.

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Also, will you ever post information on Pluto transits to Chiron?

Doubt it. I don't like opening the asteroid can of worms. There are nearly 20,000 of them on the list. Planets matter most.

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Good luck, Lioness! I guess tomorrow is the big day.

Go for it -- I believe in you.

We need more people using their own creativity in their working lives instead of playing it safe with corporate America.

Let us know how it turns out.

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I want to give an added note related to hard Neptune transits (squares, conjunctions and parallels, oppositions and contra-parallels, quincunxes) to Sun / Mars / Asc / Moon ....

These transits often require us to identify and give up a poison coming into our bodies via water/food/air. Sometimes it is something obvious like alcohol. I had to stop drinking beer a few years back when Neptune began its transit square my Mars (and Neptune). My body has lots all tolerance to alcohol, even dilute in beer. And as Neptune recently began its opposition to my Asc (orb=5°), I lost my tolerance to caffeinated beverages/tea/herbs.

Similarly, we may also have to look at other things to drop that are over-extending our minds, which I have also had to do.

Often Neptune asks us to sacrifice a thing that is not necessary for us to be healthy and happy, but to which we have grown accustomed and may take for granted as something we can handle. Bodies change, so do poisons, which are all a matter of dosage anyway.

This can pertain to foods as well, especially those most familiar that have saturated our bodies for so long.

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I'm going to revert back to Pluto for a moment and tell you my recent experience. For a while Pluto (now 21S11 declination) has been in close contra-parallel to my natal Mercury [20N56].

One of the chief characteristics related to the challenge of this has been a bout of obsessive, stuck thinking patterns for a day or so at a time in which it takes quite a bit of effort to yank my mind out of this. I have found tunnel vision to be a problem and it sometimes takes another trusted person's input for me to see it.

At times I have come close to saying/emailing or otherwise communicating something to another person that I know will be regrettable, but mostly my mind seems to get stuck on an unresolved matter in which communication is required to solve a problem or address an issue (within a group context).

This is especially challenging since Pluto [21S11] has been pulling away from contra-parallel natal Venus [20N18] and has also moved into contra-parallel my natal Mars [21N55]. This has been a period over the last year of renewed involvement with a group (my local food cooperative) as a volunteer, which is something I have not done for a while. It is having the long-lasting benefits of:

- Transforming how I relate to others outside closest associations and how we influence each other (Venus); during this time (last year) I helped develop an outline for mediation efforts and volunteered to mediate in my organization. Pluto-Venus aspects do affect personal intimate relationships, of course, but have the furthest extent of effects in leadership and influence across various types of people.

- Transforming how I think/communicate to either empower self/others (Mercury); tendency to put forth one's ideas more strongly, even when opposed to the standard, but challenges listening ability.

- Transforming how I assert myself and deal with power/ego matters in a constructive fashion (Mars); strengthens assertive tendencies, even too much at times to a point of a battle-eagerness.

So you could see how some wrong moves from egoism or embracing conflict in a destructive way, imposing self, etc, could have long lasting negative effects. However, I am mostly experiencing such stresses -- taking on a little at a time, and doing my best to maintain an internal balance -- as a challenge to be more involved in my community in a manner of positive transformation. It is interesting that I got involved in an organization that was already in a process of transformation when I (re)joined it about a year ago.

Such opportunities can be read consciously or unconsciously as a chance for power grabs, or varying degrees of surrender to the higher, trans-personal purposes that help us grow: unity and group empowerment.

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How did it go?

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posted April 27, 2017 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of great information on this thread!

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Still in process, Randall. I'm looking at learning mediation as more of a longer-term process now. Not so much in a rush to do it. Getting some much needed time away for myself while I've got some good Jupiter transits.

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posted June 11, 2017 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, please help me on this one, Pluto aproached my NN, it almost hit it and went retrograde now.
I met a person.
She has SN cnj my NN!

what i do???

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