posted March 29, 2017 05:31 PM            

Anyway, as I got older, I started acting out and developing defense mechanisms to deal with my feelings towards my father. He has always been in and out of prison and he has never been able to maintain a steady job even when he is home. He is very controlling, condescending, manipulative, and obnoxious. This has transfered over into my personal relationships with men to a certain extent. I do not know how to get in my roll of a woman. I want to get married one day and have a family but I feel like I'm going to run every man off with my overly-macho persona and my aggressive and rectless attitude often times. I've been trying to work on it and have shown some small progress, but I am still nowhere near figuring out how to rid myself of this negative energy.

My mars in Sagittarius is the culprit, I believe.

My mars is also conjunct my NN so I'm sure I'm destined to go through my entire life learning about my mars.

Can anyone else help me out?

What else can you had?

posted March 29, 2017 07:00 PM            

Growing up I also was a tomboy and didn't know how to dress like a girl but at the same time my venus could not hide her femininity.

My Mars square venus at 0 and this is a volatile placement I have dealt. But thanks to the 12th house, the energy turns inward so people can not see I have this raw energy in actions. I really aware this placement can bring problems in relationship, so I wait until I can handle it.

Anyway,

Your Mars is in 7th house, a Libra house, it is detriment, so I think you need to handle your Mars like a Libra Mars?

posted March 29, 2017 08:22 PM            

thanks for replying.

My mars rules my 12th located in my 7th.

I do tend to go through the motions during moments of extreme isolation.

After I have my breakdown and regain my strength, I'm ready to face the world again.

posted March 29, 2017 08:58 PM            

My experience with others around me who have this placement. Usually experience the opposite. They are passive, less aggressive, but happen to date very aggressive sometimes abusive / violent people. They usually attract people with a lot of Aries placements or someone with a military background.

No doubt, because of your placement, you picked your family before entering this world. I think this goes hand in hand with your mars placement and your father's behavior towards you.

posted March 30, 2017 06:02 AM            

don't give in to the labels and stereotypes

you are who you are, and of course we all have flaws which often we're aware of, so by coming into contacts with others we can fix our own issues over time, that's the point of life

you're a woman no matter how you act, don't let anyone dictate it to you that you should be overly feminine or girly (not that I see anything wrong with that) to find some man and get married

posted March 30, 2017 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
also, everyone has their own issues, it's called life

don't give in to the labels and stereotypes

you are who you are, and of course we all have flaws which often we're aware of, so by coming into contacts with others we can fix our own issues over time, that's the point of life

you're a woman no matter how you act, don't let anyone dictate it to you that you should be overly feminine or girly (not that I see anything wrong with that) to find some man and get married

the right person will accept you for who you are

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How do I post my 9th harmonic and what does this chart signify?

& I'm not saying change who I am as a person, but my mars has done nothing but hindered me in every aspect. I've witnessed this growing up. I USED to have the same attitude. It's either you take me as I am, flaws and all or nothing. BUT I started noticing all of my relationships continued to crumble because attributes associated with my mars. When I get angry, I explode. & the only people I see who find nothing wrong with this behavior, have major anger and emotional issues themselves. I'm humble enough to make changes if it's sabotibg my relationships and my life.

posted March 30, 2017 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Though the orb is a bit wide, I would recommend that you do some research on Mars square Saturn as well. From what you said, I think it could offer some insight.

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posted March 30, 2017 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

How do I post my 9th harmonic and what does this chart signify?

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posted March 30, 2017 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

9th harmonic chart can show you where and how you feel generally happy, how harmonious your natal chart can get for you

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posted March 30, 2017 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

& I'm not saying change who I am as a person, but my mars has done nothing but hindered me in every aspect

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This is part of what I am talking about. Yes, Mars has influenced you, but you have a choice to act the way Mars is influencing you to act or you can work towards harnessing your emotions.

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

BUT I started noticing all of my relationships continued to crumble because attributes associated with my mars. When I get angry, I explode.

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Again, you are responsible for the way you act, not Mars.

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

& the only people I see who find nothing wrong with this behavior, have major anger and emotional issues themselves

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Knowing this means you're half way there, you are already on the road to change. You can do it.

It's nice to be aware of yourself and the type of people you attract, so you can protect yourself from potentially bad relationships.

You can work with your Mars, it just takes will power. And, remember Mars doesn't make you who you are, you do.

posted April 05, 2017 02:30 PM            

You have Sun,Pluto, Mars stringing to a triple conj around the 7th.

Sun/Pluto conjunct in 6th does suggest issues with Dad.
One often feels that Dad is unsupportive and their enemy(6th). And with conjunction to Pluto, square to Saturn and Mars conjunction , he seems like he is a law unto himself (Pluto), demoralizing(Saturn) and oppressive(Mars).

Perhaps you are projecting this idea of your Dad to men on the whole;thereby assuming that all Men are like that?

Mars in 7th suggests that you want independence even within loving relationship. You want to go your own way.

Pluto /Sun does not do well being "under"someone anyways and the added Saturn square to Sun/Pluto suggests that you felt "not good enough".

So the Pluto energy was geared into outlasting ,outsmarting and outdoing anyone(including boys) -which by the way is also represented by Chiron-Mars square.

My question is; what makes you think that in marriage you have to be more "under" the man? Coz u dont thrive much "under" anyone anyways.

Have you considered dating men who will not be threatened by your independence; Aries Moon/Venus type guys or those with an independent streak too?

If you have to "change" yourself to fit into a mould for another. That will not work for long.

But if you come to accept that you are "enough" as is. That is an entirely differing story as this means that you will not feel threatened by your partner(whom I think many times morphs into a projection of your issues with your Dad)

For family, there is adoption. There is the sperm bank and other unconventional routes. As sometimes when we design for ourselves an existence, we can get bogged down by having to "wait" for a mate in order to realize those dreams.

But the problem then becomes that the mate is a means to an end. We need his sperm/ovaries in order to do what we want to do.The intent is still very singular and narrow in essence. So no relationship ever thrives with that foreground to start off on.

Make ur mind up if being yourself is what is keeping your dreams away from you. Or is it the "traditional" idea of what you pictured that is incompatible with "what is"? Because I think you are being very hard on yourself (Saturn square to Sun).

You have trine of Moon-Saturn , so you respect tradition. But you are also quite dynamic in learning to change the rules a bit-Moon/Uranus square.

The Moon-Neptune square may be feeding your illusions of what constitute "a woman"(Moon). Mom was probably not very assertive in her maternal love maybe.

But the Jupiter-Venus conjunct in Scorpio is fortunate as it suggests that you will grow into your own femininity and sexuality too.

Chiron in 4th suggests you know deeply what "Family" or belonging really means.Because this is the area of much wounding and where you can also heal(also suggested by Moon square-Uranus/Neptune conjunction)

You have the support of your soul path(Mars conjunct True Node)if you trust your own path and learn to use your assertive energy to carve out your own existence.

I think what may be necessary here,is to love yourself as you are. Any man who will not, is not worth your attention.

posted May 31, 2017 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
It is said that the Sun and aspects to it,represents the relationship we have with our father. The Sun is often indicative of the male authority figure we first grow up with.

You have Sun,Pluto, Mars stringing to a triple conj around the 7th.

Sun/Pluto conjunct in 6th does suggest issues with Dad.
One often feels that Dad is unsupportive and their enemy(6th). And with conjunction to Pluto, square to Saturn and Mars conjunction , he seems like he is a law unto himself (Pluto), demoralizing(Saturn) and oppressive(Mars).

Perhaps you are projecting this idea of your Dad to men on the whole;thereby assuming that all Men are like that?

Mars in 7th suggests that you want independence even within loving relationship. You want to go your own way.

Pluto /Sun does not do well being "under"someone anyways and the added Saturn square to Sun/Pluto suggests that you felt "not good enough".

So the Pluto energy was geared into outlasting ,outsmarting and outdoing anyone(including boys) -which by the way is also represented by Chiron-Mars square.

My question is; what makes you think that in marriage you have to be more "under" the man? Coz u dont thrive much "under" anyone anyways.

Have you considered dating men who will not be threatened by your independence; Aries Moon/Venus type guys or those with an independent streak too?

If you have to "change" yourself to fit into a mould for another. That will not work for long.

But if you come to accept that you are "enough" as is. That is an entirely differing story as this means that you will not feel threatened by your partner(whom I think many times morphs into a projection of your issues with your Dad)

For family, there is adoption. There is the sperm bank and other unconventional routes. As sometimes when we design for ourselves an existence, we can get bogged down by having to "wait" for a mate in order to realize those dreams.

But the problem then becomes that the mate is a means to an end. We need his sperm/ovaries in order to do what we want to do.The intent is still very singular and narrow in essence. So no relationship ever thrives with that foreground to start off on.

Make ur mind up if being yourself is what is keeping your dreams away from you. Or is it the "traditional" idea of what you pictured that is incompatible with "what is"? Because I think you are being very hard on yourself (Saturn square to Sun).

You have trine of Moon-Saturn , so you respect tradition. But you are also quite dynamic in learning to change the rules a bit-Moon/Uranus square.

The Moon-Neptune square may be feeding your illusions of what constitute "a woman"(Moon). Mom was probably not very assertive in her maternal love maybe.

But the Jupiter-Venus conjunct in Scorpio is fortunate as it suggests that you will grow into your own femininity and sexuality too.

Chiron in 4th suggests you know deeply what "Family" or belonging really means.Because this is the area of much wounding and where you can also heal(also suggested by Moon square-Uranus/Neptune conjunction)

You have the support of your soul path(Mars conjunct True Node)if you trust your own path and learn to use your assertive energy to carve out your own existence.

I think what may be necessary here,is to love yourself as you are. Any man who will not, is not worth your attention.

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Thank you so much for your reply, Aries and such an in-debth analysis.

Well, the "being under a man" thing came from my father's views of me. He's the main one in my hear telling me no man will put up with me or marry me because I don't know how to "shut my mouth". Plus, I've had more than one encounter with guys I've dated who've said I don't let them be their own man so there MUST be some truth to all of this?

I started out very confident in my new-found assertiveness and confidence once I got passed the bullying phase when I was younger. No one seems to welcome my Martian energy. My reactions are judged all the time and I always feel like my self-expression is being thwarted or completely overlooked by everyone. I've been depressed for years trying to bounce back, stay positive, and overcome so much adversity. I've tried changing my behavior .. nothing is working. All I know is I'm very unhappy and everyone is running away. No one stays in my life long and it's because of my nature.

My mother was actually very emotionally absent growing up. She was too busy being depressed because my father wasn't there or working.

I hate my father, literally.

I have so much anger built up inside.

posted May 31, 2017 08:42 PM            

Please help me.

Any advice would be helpful.

posted May 31, 2017 11:50 PM            

In my experience, Pluto brings some finality to things
Situations come to a head. Anything built up finds release.

You will have to also look at declinations for significant transits of outer planets.

I think solar Arc Neptune/Uranus are both making conjunctions to the Mc and opposing the Ic axis-signifying some unstable conditions and a feeling of being lost to due career conditions/home front

Add to that solar Arc Moon/ Mc/Ic square suggesting heightened emotional sensitivity to external changes of career direction/internal home life.

A possible move is often indicative of solat arc Moon on the Mc/Ic or some type of emotional change that sensitises one to the career/home life.

Your anger is justified. Now the question is how u will.be able to use it to carve out a life for yourself?

In my view, detachment from family/conditions therein could help you not be distracted by a situation that you can do little to change.

posted June 01, 2017 09:52 AM            

Wanting to make sure here... this is based on your Time of Birth as presented on your actual birth-certificate, or a witness present at your birth event?

posted June 01, 2017 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Hi Yanmorg ... Just a post to tell you I'm thinking about your chart and forming a response.

Wanting to make sure here... this is based on your Time of Birth as presented on your actual birth-certificate, or a witness present at your birth event?

Take Good Courage!

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posted June 01, 2017 02:27 PM            

I cry every day. I feel like I'm breaking down and won't have the strength to carry on much longer.

My back is against the wall and I literally feel like I have no one.

posted June 01, 2017 04:54 PM            

Looks like we lost parts of our conversation about your chart, unfortunately. Several posts poofed.

Please don't worry. You'll work it out. Have a plan of a place to go (friend with a couch, even, a woman's shelter) just in case. But remain steady and calm (mature) with your parents. Maybe if you sit down (if you get to) and discuss short-term plans (like, progress towards an exit).

The emotions you're going through is part of learning to harness the energy of transit "Saturn Sextile Saturn"... This will assist you with achieving your goals.

You Can Do This. *Heart*

What I want to say too is that your choice of vocation, and the reasons 'why' you're choosing this road really FITS your chart very well. Wow!! Even the transits right now. They are ON your side if you view life going Forwards. Not everything that appears 'bad' is to your demise. Some things are actually quite good, and help you to have the extra boost of Courage you'll need.

(You're not expected to do it perfectly. Or, maybe you will!, but when kids leave the nest for the first time, it feels really insecure...

Once you're out, and managing your own money, you will be shocked how empowering that feels.

tSaturn through your 8th may slow how many resources you might feel you had (your mom supporting you, under her roof), but you are Building. tSaturn there allows for some REALLY Good hard work to pay-off here. You're "learning" the ropes.

You were born around ~30 hours? before a Penumbral New Moon Eclipse at 21.32 Scorpio (Nov 13). This is special and rare, and some of the eclipse astrologers of old have said that you came in with a special mission to do in this life.

Since you are interested in astrology, and your chart is so rich, I'm going to recommend you either borrow or purchase a certain book I used that clearly described your home/parental situation so well.

Betty Lundsted (c1980)
Astrological Insights into Personality.
Ibis Press (c2004)

ISBN 0-89254-098-2

- http://www.amazon.com/Astrological-Insights-Personality-Betty-Lundsted/dp/0892540982

or

- http://www.alibris.com/Astrological-Insights-Into-Personality-Betty-Lundsted/book/4713 05

Also, in light of your field of interest, I heard this man do a talk several months ago. You might want to read about some of the work he's done.

Bryan Stevenson (Sun Scorpio, Nov 14)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Stevenson
http://eji.org/bryan-stevenson
http://www.ted.com/speakers/bryan_stevenson

Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system.
-- quote from TED