posted March 31, 2017 04:28 PM            

Reference: Gen Z is here and saving their money. (2009, Jul 29). Herald Sun Retrieved from https://search.proquest.com/docview/361209487?accountid=39364

posted March 31, 2017 08:58 PM            

Sagittarius does rule morals and religion, after all.

posted April 01, 2017 01:02 AM            

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McCrindle – whose business is analysing generational trends and forecasts – says generation Z is characterised by five key terms. They are global," through the possibilities of technology, and through pop culture – movies, music, brands and language changes make their way around the world more quickly and thoroughly than ever before. They are "digital," thanks to the the devices through which they live their lives. This generation is distinctly "social" because it gets a great deal of information not from experts but from peers, largely through social media. They are highly "mobile" in the fluidity of their work and housing. And they are uniquely "visual,: in terms of how they process their information: YouTube is their search engine of choice, because "they don't want to read an article about something, they want to watch a video about something."

One of the key, interesting shifts in this generation is not only the nature of the work, but their attitude to it, which has changed vastly even from a generation ago.

"The mindset was you get a job and you keep the job. You didn't have to enjoy the job, that's why it's called 'work'," McCrindle says. "But now there is this extra expectation added to the job contract, and that is not only do I put in the work for the pay, but I need to enjoy it and there needs to be some clear opportunities for me. And I don't just want a job that offers stability and security, I want a job that offers the ability to make a difference, to have an impact, to show some leadership and to shape things, even from an earlier age."

And this is a good thing, says Peter McDonald, professor of demography at the Australian National University – people are more concerned now with what they are actually doing for a living instead of just how much money they earn, though no doubt that is still important too. The opportunities ahead of them are promising: the variety of jobs has increased, bringing with it levels of specialisation and opportunities to retrain or return to study. And yes, people will have more jobs and probably more careers too. "The opportunity to do that has opened up much more than in the past," McDonald says.

Finishing school and staying in Sydney wasn't an option for Bronte McInnes, who decided early on that crossing the mountains to study Theatre/Media at Charles Sturt University in Bathurst was a much better idea.

"My cousin went to CSU and my sister moved to uni in Canberra, so I always heard it was good to move out. I wanted to learn how to be independent."

"My New Year's resolution every year is to have new experiences. This year it was going to Bathurst and I've certainly had heaps of new experiences there. I wanted an environment change. I definitely think I made the right decision."

Looking ahead, Bronte isn't sure where her career will take her but she's open to every opportunity.

"I think I'll have a few [jobs] in my life. Being in this generation we have the opportunity to try out a few things. My grandma might have only had the opportunity to be a teacher or a nurse, but I can do anything."

For Bronte, travel and adventure are her top priorities. She wants to explore South America, because "the photos look insane", something she agrees is an indication of her Gen Z approach to online connectivity to travel.

"I see other people's posts and I want to travel to South America … there's something about it I think will change my life."

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(That's just the last part)

I can see Pluto Sag involved there: global, desire to travel and have new experiences, jobs that aren't just serving the system, but that serve the world (or at least society around them), to have meaning rather than being a cog.

And though that's an Australian news site, that does make me think of the kids coming of age around me as well.

More on Pluto in Sag:
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/miscarticles/plutosag.htm

posted April 01, 2017 01:09 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Heh, I bet all the video games have a lot to do (but not the sole reason) why teen pregnancy and STD rates have been going down significantly...which reminds me of something, I'll be back on that

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posted April 01, 2017 01:15 AM            

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My research has found that there is in fact no relationship between how well students do academically and what their attitude toward schooling actually is. A student doesn’t need to be passionate about school to be academically successful

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Collectively, research shows that students’ self-belief in their own problem-solving abilities is far more important than their perception of school itself.

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NOTE: attitude doesn't seem to matter. And yet this is what the person fears:

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This is a problem. Students’ attitude to school should matter for a number of reasons. If students find it difficult to see the direct benefits of their schooling, if they think that their school has failed to meet their expectations, and if they perceive that their academic skills are learned outside of school, it is possible that this will affect their views of formal institutions later in life.

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IOW, this person (like many others) fears that kids will grow into adults who don't take part in institutions because they see through them. What's not addressed is the question of if the institutions aren't working, then why should they take part?

It's usually implied by liberals and conservatives both (just different emphasis on which institutions are more important) because people who use their power for themselves are evil, or at least selfish. It MUST be used in some institutionalize, CONTROLLED (by someone else, someone at the top) way. This isn't "people should work together to become more than the sum of their parts" but that "they need to believe their power comes from institutions rather than from themselves so we can control them, and use them for our own self-serving agenda."

But many of Generation Z are seeing through that (which will hopefully lead to a rebirth of a world that most of us older people never expected). Good for them.

posted April 01, 2017 02:13 AM            

both have pluto at 29 scorpio but man they're great at making money!

the taurus guy literally made me change my career direction! his sun in my 10th, and this pisces guy is also encouraging me to work harder

both have saturn in my 8th though, so it might be a synastry thing as well

interestingly, both work in animation, graphic and game design!

both have ditched university to focus on work. comparing to men my own age and even older, I know more than a few who are still being supported by their parents! because it's too important for them what degree they have, as if they become a better person if they get a PhD, and it doesn't matter if at 35 they're still taking money from their parents!

I think pluto in sagittarius is about getting more real on whether higher education truly has a value in today's world. given the internet is full of educational videos on almost any subject you want, I think these younger people are more aware of the more "useful" and practical kind of knowledge

it's also interesting for me to see how these girls the media seems to be talking about a lot, such as gigi hadid (interestingly born on the same date as the guy I met last year) and kendal/kylie, are quite successful at this young age. they do have rich dads alright, but I'm sure they're very hardworking themselves. not the type to sit around all day and indulge

posted April 01, 2017 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Sagittarians can surprisingly be politically conservative, if they want to be.

Sagittarius does rule morals and religion, after all.

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posted April 01, 2017 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

I think pluto in sagittarius is about getting more real on whether higher education truly has a value in today's world. given the internet is full of educational videos on almost any subject you want, I think these younger people are more aware of the more "useful" and practical kind of knowledge..

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posted April 01, 2017 02:58 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't think they are, and they seem equally inclined to be distrusting of both big government and big business (and institutions in general), which puts them out of synch with both older liberals and conservatives. Of course saying someone is "financially conservative" doesn't therefore mean they have "conservative values" in general (if anything, it implies that they're not conservative in general since it specifies being financially conservative rather than just saying "conservative").

(ETA: I'd tried to go to the link to get a better idea on what was being said but it demanded a sign in, so I didn't read it.)

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posted April 05, 2017 10:37 PM            

a bit too serious, empty.

but i guess they are a reflection of the new energys on earth. the energy is constantly changing.

posted April 05, 2017 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
last year I met this guy born in april 95, and recently another guy born a month before him

both have pluto at 29 scorpio but man they're great at making money!

the taurus guy literally made me change my career direction! his sun in my 10th, and this pisces guy is also encouraging me to work harder

both have saturn in my 8th though, so it might be a synastry thing as well

interestingly, both work in animation, graphic and game design!

both have ditched university to focus on work. comparing to men my own age and even older, I know more than a few who are still being supported by their parents! because it's too important for them what degree they have, as if they become a better person if they get a PhD, and it doesn't matter if at 35 they're still taking money from their parents!

I think pluto in sagittarius is about getting more real on whether higher education truly has a value in today's world. given the internet is full of educational videos on almost any subject you want, I think these younger people are more aware of the more "useful" and practical kind of knowledge

it's also interesting for me to see how these girls the media seems to be talking about a lot, such as gigi hadid (interestingly born on the same date as the guy I met last year) and kendal/kylie, are quite successful at this young age. they do have rich dads alright, but I'm sure they're very hardworking themselves. not the type to sit around all day and indulge

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This is true in my experience as well. I have met quite a few people my age that have ditched traditional university for a more fulfilling career path. I'm one of them. I think the whole idea is to be independent and explore every possibility we have career-wise. A lot of people my age are not as concerned as to whether we will have stable jobs with stable pay. It's more like we want to do something for a living that will matter to us individually.

posted April 05, 2017 11:48 PM            

and to bullying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF6cmddWOgU

Obviously not meant to represent an entire generation, but that's simple to look at, and having worked with kids for many years now, I don't find them strange. Of course they have their problem kids, bullies, and all that, but OVERALL (not to say in every way) I think they were better than many generations that came before them (from being better well-read in general despite living in the age of the internet to lower rates of crime, teen pregnancy, etc). They shouldn't be dismissed as mentally and emotionally deficient slackers, though then again I think every generation is treated as such so maybe it's a rite of passage.

They certainly have their flaws as all do, and some fairly unique to them (but I bet they wouldn't be so unique if previous generations had access to the same technology and such), but many are smart, compassionate, and I hope they don't lose the qualities that give me hope for the future as they get older.

posted April 06, 2017 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
It's more like we want to do something for a living that will matter to us individually.
I have met people though that still think like the older generations (get a good job, get married, have kids, buy a house, etc). The people I meet that still think like this usually have very restricting parents. You can also sense they don't truly believe it's what they want but they do it anyway because it's what their parents want.

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That's like an aries telling a pisces to be more assertive, go out there and have as much fun as you can.

It just wont translate

posted April 06, 2017 12:06 AM            

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Generation Z (and those close) react to the Cheerios commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VifdBFp5pnw
to newton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiiUSA4zuNw

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posted April 06, 2017 04:13 AM            

so i know that the north pole, the side of the hemisphere those children were on, is in aquarius.

so i looked up "children in argentina"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUAXKAnyEw&t=03m10s

and they all seemed not to be cold and aloof.

you can see the leo in them. so i guess the pole that you are closer to rules a section of the body, or maybe is even more dominant in you. since you are closer. both poles energy are strong wherever you are on the planet though. so hence the age of aqua/leo.

posted April 06, 2017 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Great thread! What does the Z stand for?

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Generation Z (also known as Post-Millennials, the iGeneration, Plurals or the Homeland Generation) is the demographic cohort after the Millennials.

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They don't like drugs or gay marriage, and they HATE tattoos: Is 'Generation Z' the most conservative since WW2?

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The student Left’s culture of intolerance is creating a new generation of conservatives http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/17/stu dent-lefts-culture-intolereance-creating-new-generation-ofconservatives/

The Post-Millennial Generation Should Worry Democrats

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posted April 06, 2017 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Sagittarians can surprisingly be politically conservative, if they want to be.

Sagittarius does rule morals and religion, after all.

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Lawrence Kudlow (Sagittarius) host of Kudlow Report was very liberal in his early years. But he's become more conservative in his later life.

I would say it has to do with perspective, your perspective of things changes over time.

Also Sagittarius tend to be self rightness which can be either a good or bad thing depending on the environment.

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Originally posted by soren:
the children of this new age seem cold.

a bit too serious, empty.

but i guess they are a reflection of the new energys on earth. the energy is constantly changing.

i was surprised someone from gen Z knew how to make a website. i barely learned how to do that last year. rofl
(laughing at myself). well wasnt really surprised. more rather quite impressed. they use their still energy instead of exploring, being love in another way. making use of what they adapt

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I don't see it that way. Darwin said it best "It Is Not the Strongest of the Species that Survives But the Most Adaptable"

So its good to read and be constantly upgrading to keep your skills on top so you don't end up in that situation were you feel left out too newer generations.

I'm working on another degree right now.

When I started my first degree I was with my age group the late 1980's - early 1990's borns.

Then I encountered the mid 90 borns, I was never a fan of this age group.

I found them a little bit to spoiled and entitled forgetting what previous generations had to endure.

I'm now encountering the 1995+ borns. I prefer them over the previous group. I say this because they've experienced the benefits that the previous generations have had but have also witnessed the recent global economic slow down first hand.

So they've seen the best and worst the world has to offer.

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
last year I met this guy born in april 95, and recently another guy born a month before him

both have pluto at 29 scorpio but man they're great at making money!

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There awesome and ambitious. I was teamed up with one for a software project. He also competes in Algorithm competitions which is the correct way to get a great job.

You get ranked and employers look at you. As long as you don't end up in the bottom quantile. But if that happens...its okay the whole idea is to become a better coder and learn from others. Just compete the next year and move up to the next quantile by improving.

So yes, I think theres a little bit more intelligence, determination and hard work with 1995 borns.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted April 11, 2017 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Btw, I saw an article recently that was concerned about the image (as opposed to the reality) of schools with relevant part quoted, which is just one example of the the growing cynicism of Z toward institutions:
http://aeon.co/ideas/why-the-most-successful-students-have-no-passion-for-school

IOW, this person (like many others) fears that kids will grow into adults who don't take part in institutions because they see through them. What's not addressed is the question of if the institutions aren't working, then why should they take part?

It's usually implied by liberals and conservatives both (just different emphasis on which institutions are more important) because people who use their power for themselves are evil, or at least selfish. It MUST be used in some institutionalize, CONTROLLED (by someone else, someone at the top) way. This isn't "people should work together to become more than the sum of their parts" but that "they need to believe their power comes from institutions rather than from themselves so we can control them, and use them for our own self-serving agenda."

But many of Generation Z are seeing through that (which will hopefully lead to a rebirth of a world that most of us older people never expected). Good for them.

Personally, Generation Z (generally speaking, of course) gives me a lot of hope for the future (I just hope it doesn't fizzle out into disappointment later), regardless of the nations they're from.

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I can see through those institutions, as well as the system in general, and I'm a Pluto in Scorpio Millennial. That has more to do with being awake and your third eye being activated than generational characteristics I think.

And political conservatism has more to do with the individual than the age group. I don't know a conservative Pluto in Sagittarius, and given that these people are mostly teenagers, most are likely not political yet, and most of them being teenagers explains the obsession with video games, as my age group grew up with N64, Playstation 1 and 2, Sega Dreamcast, Xbox, and Gamecube, and Pluto Libra grew up with regular and Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis.

posted April 11, 2017 09:18 PM            

Kids do seem more politically aware than previous generations, and that probably is also tied to social media which mixes the ages together more rather than segregating the kids from adults as used to happen. (I can speak on this myself as when I started mixing with many age groups as a kid, my social and political awareness--and interest--changed drastically from when I only interacted with other kids.) More importantly, social media is giving them a voice early on whereas before that even most adults didn't have much of a say in their party poli-tricks, they just pretty much had to go along with whatever their party said (and that habit is ingrained in them to this day, many blindly sucking in whatever silly propaganda their party puts out because that's what they're used to doing).

And this thread about Gen Z being social conservatives is just wishful thinking (though they exist, and will continue to do so). The sources I recognize are untrustworthy, and even at least one of the links left by hypatia238 (a source I'm unfamiliar with) said Gen Z supported gay marriage (as Trump paid lip service to, btw). Hypatia sems to lump liberal and conservative with a package (respectively) that doesn't necessarily belong together anyway as if unable to see all the variations and shades of grey out there (and on one hand she seems to support libertarianism, but also Trump's abuse of eminent domain, and also just assumes anyone against Trump is a frothing in the mouth leftist whose primary complaint is "racism" when there are several other reasons, and even plenty of conservatives are uncomfortable at best with Trump).

I can speak on that as well. When I became the lesbian partner of a mother, the vast majority of other kids did not care, and those that stopped hanging around our kids was because they were made to by their parents, and even then they'd defy their parents when they thought they could get away with it, and some of the kids thought their parents reacting like that was as stupid as the bigoted wizards in Harry Potter (but what can you do when adults are stupid?). And why not? They've grown up in a different age in which it's a lot more acceptable, so just take it for granted.

And I know long pointless traditions are being questioned, even openly defied, by Gen Z in other nations as well.

Of course they vary, and I'd hope that no one thought they could make a definitive statement about an entire generation, literally defining them all as, for example, "Pluto in Sag, must vote Republican." That's just bad astrology. Furthermore, whatever values (and ideology) they start out with will likely change as they get older, as it has for so many people in previous generations. (The standard ideologies also change over time.)