posted April 05, 2017 02:24 PM            

"Carl Tobey proved that the quincunx is not just an adjustment aspect but the aspect that causes mental weakness and lack of positive spirit."

posted April 05, 2017 05:56 PM            

Not going to comment on the link being about sociopaths, except that I don't think there is a connection between the two there. I think it's weak of any astrologer to try to pin something like that on one or two aspects, usually one they have a bias against.

Quincunx may make for more awkwardness, but that usually isn't solely on the person owning the aspect, and I think it actually points to mental strength in a way, in that they keep going anyway. Keep trying.

posted April 05, 2017 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Do you agree that your quincunxes do that to you?

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posted April 06, 2017 01:42 AM            

First, specific astrological aspects do not 'cause' any particular outcome, but are setups of energy that can be used constructively or not. They are just one part of an overall astrological influence.

Secondly, the quincunx is considered a major aspect by many of us, but is not a strong driving aspect like some conjunctions/parallels or like squares. Its interpretation as with all aspects, depends on what planets are involved. That is the most important factor.

Interpretation always requires we looked at the planets involved first. No aspect, not a quincunx or a square or anything else can change Jupiter's expansive benefic nature to something detrimental or negative merely by the angle of its relationship to another planet. That is a misconception frequently seen represented in this forum and many others by those under-schooled in aspect dynamics. I know that might step on some toes, but some students need to study harder before applying such simple cookie-cutter interpretations to anyone with a chart.

People come to astrology with expectations of cosmic connection and a more objective, bigger perspective on their lives. They deserve better than such over-simplifications.

Let's look at the quincunx ...

Against the 360° circle starting from the horizon east point (Asc), it represents the mid-point between the comfortably flowing trine and the zenith of the opposition. It can be seen as an angular vehicle for taking the particular planets' relations out of comfort zone of ease and into full polar outward expression. It is an aspect I sometimes describe as an 'awkward' relationship between the two in which the outer planet is generally pressing an issue of personal development.

You could look at it as a driver's course when taking the off ramp from the highway to change direction. In a sense it is a direction changer, but not in the polar way of reversign 180°, but making an *adjustment* of the steering wheel.

If that slight turn of the wheel is made one's destination changes. The purpose is to end up at a better destination evolutionarily / spiritually speaking.

There is no evolutionary purpose to be had in 'mental weakness and lack of positive spirit.' All aspects have a constructive dynamic that can be utilized and an inherent purpose found in the choice of the soul whose chart is being considered.

This is found along with other aspect descriptions at my Astrological Aspects page.

posted April 06, 2017 02:35 PM            

Saturn I see as counterbalancing Neptune. I used to be an artist, but I have always been wary of gurus. Of anyone telling people that something is absolute, because they say so.

posted April 06, 2017 08:29 PM            

My only qx is between Pluto and my Mercury/Jupiter conjunction in Pisces... so I'm not one to judge about fatigue and lack of positive spirit because that's already an exhausting connection that allows you to see negative all day long.

Thanks for all the feedback.

posted April 06, 2017 08:56 PM            

Person A - woman, Naturopath. Mental weakness? No. An ND has the equivalent of a PhD in natural medicine. Lack of positive spirit? No, she's one of the kindest, sweetest, most helpful people I know.

Person B - woman, former ER nurse. Mental weakness? No. Very determined, takes care of a child with cerebral palsy. Told me she knew all during the time she was working in the ER that should could heal those people. Eventually got trained by Dr Eric Pearl to do Reconnective Healing and brought me out of the deepest slump of my life.

Person C - me, male. Mental weakness? Do I even have to answer that? Lack of positive spirit? At times, but it is certainly not from Venus quincunx Jupiter in my birth chart. Other times I am the most optimistic person of all those I know.

Show me the book and the research material where Carl Payne Tobey demonstrates that all quincuxes equate to mental weakness and lack of positive spirit. Show me where he writes that in his own words. I look at this as rumor-based astrology when a student distills an author's opinions to such summaries.

Personally I understand the quincunx well enough I don't need to consult even Tobey's opinion. This claimed interpretation of all quincunxes is a generalization that over-specifies.

You can't know how to interpret any aspect until you know what planets are involved.