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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 15, 2017 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would be in ones natal chart to make people anti-social?

I can be social, but I prefer my own company. I will never get married either, have children or a relationship.

The only things that can hurt you in life is other people, so if there are no people in your life, you cant get hurt either. I personally love being alone. I always have.

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teasel
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posted April 16, 2017 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm too tired to look at it, but could you post your chart? Others might be able to tell you.

Sometimes I feel the way you've described, but then I'm reminded of how great people can be. My biggest fears involve losing those I'm closest to. I have been really lucky, having some of them in my life.

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posted April 16, 2017 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, VenusTaurusGirl!
The more you try to dissociate yourself from others, the more likely you will be tested in this area.
Find a comfortable middle ground with others, but don't rule them out.

I have a feeling you have a lot to share/contribute with like-minded people, and there's still plenty of time to be on your own

In astrology, anti-social behavior can sometimes be seen in hard aspects or configurations involving the Ascendant.

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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 16, 2017 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is says no personal chart postings allowed, so I won't, but what aspects are anti-social, if anyone knows...

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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 16, 2017 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks lalalinda! I have Sun opp Asc and Moon conjunct Asc, I guess it could be that..

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visions
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posted April 16, 2017 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for visions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
strong saturnian mixed to a proeminent uranus create anti-social behaviour

i couldn't have said better as op said ^^"

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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 16, 2017 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm, my Saturn is in Leo and my Uranus is in Scorpio again..

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teasel
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posted April 16, 2017 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Is says no personal chart postings allowed, so I won't, but what aspects are anti-social, if anyone knows...

I forgot about that rule. You sound like someone I know. She also has Saturn in Leo, and is a Taurus, but I don't know if your Taurus refers to your Venus, or your Sun sign. I've considered her my best friend for years now, even though we hardly talk anymore.

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posted April 16, 2017 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realise not everyone takes the retrogrades into account but I personally feel mine. When Jupiter is retrograde I'm much more withdrawn. Mercury retrograde has me in my head a bunch, thus not real social. Prchance you have a lot of air in your chart too?
Air qualities or even Jupiter in certain instances can have a person prefer their own company.

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posted April 16, 2017 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww, I have been going threw a phase like this too and I am totally extroverted. I told a friend of mine the other day that it just seems like I am not suppose to love people to closely. It's like if I do , I lose them in some way, shape or form. I am not afraid of my feelings being hurt their just feelings but the loss part is been some type of theme my whole life. I am so use to people coming into my life and leaving that letting go becomes too easy to me. It's becoming closer to something that is the hard part.

So far in life I have learned: Everyone will hurt you in some way shape or form because people are human and infallible. I don't think people mean to hurt each other, we are all just human and want to be individualistic with our own thoughts, ideals , beliefs etc that sometimes clash with others thoughts, ideals, beliefs etc.

I guess the thing to understand that if those people don't affect your bills , taxes , family\kids, your money , no one died. The really important things in life that matter, then it's not worth worrying over. ( easier said than done but it's a principle I try to live by)

As for the loss part this means to be able to handle the grieving stages in life: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

I understand it on a logical level but the emotional level is hard to handle.

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posted April 16, 2017 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have sometimes social anxiety (wich i belive has something to do with my moon in pisces in 8th (ruler of 12th) ) but my leo attention loving ascendant and friendly Gemini sun,venus and merc are keeping me out - i sometimes feel like not going out but my leo is like ''biiii--h people wont see how good you are looking today !!!!!!''

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posted April 16, 2017 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemilla:
i have sometimes social anxiety (wich i belive has something to do with my moon in pisces in 8th (ruler of 12th) ) but my leo attention loving ascendant and friendly Gemini sun,venus and merc are keeping me out - i sometimes feel like not going out but my leo is like ''biiii--h people wont see how good you are looking today !!!!!!''

Lol, I have leo placements too and I understand. My sun is in Cancer but in the 10th house which gives me a need to shine, jupiter conjunct mercury in leo makes me act like a leo as well. My Cancer sun does not care for the spotlight at all, seriously will hand that over to anyone that wants it but I do realize that I have normal human needs to have attention, love and affection. Also really big on my personal respect , can not allow someone to talk to me and do me any kind of way. ( I end up exploding on someone)

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TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 17, 2017 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sun is Taurus. Venus, Pluto, IC, and NN all air signs.

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moongaze
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posted April 17, 2017 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you mean asocial? Antisocial means sociopathic.

Anyways, if you meant asocial, I would say anyone who has lots of water placements, especially Cancer, and an afflicted Ascendant. I am introverted and can be very asocial, as I am a Cancer Sun and have lots of Cancer placements conjuncting my IC with an afflicted Aries Ascendant. Additionally, having my Pisces Moon in the 12th house is another major indicator. In fact, I would say Moons in water houses as well because they tend to be more introverted, especially if it's double water.

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LaceyLeigh
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posted April 17, 2017 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Planets falling below the horizon in the natal chart, an afflicted ic.

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posted April 17, 2017 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It depends. Some people are loners because they're the most comfortable with themselves (and probably introspective, though introspective people aren't necessarily loners). They're not technically anti-social, just simply not interested. (Something Aquarius?)

Others fear the pain others bring or are paranoid of them. This is a very different motivation, and I expect would be reflected differently astrologically. (Something Scorpio?)

Others still are pushed away who may adopt a "sour grapes" approach and find solace in other ways (perhaps even imaginary friends). (Something Neptunian or Pisces?)

Others still think others aren't good enough for them, so have very few (if anyone) they're close to.

Then there's the genuine anti-social who are enemies of society, and may even enjoy engaging with people (to ruin or exploit them for fun and profit). I think this is rare enough that I don't want to speculate on it.

I will say I have known people who were once social, but were burned so bad that they have become loners (and having pets, even lots of them, can replace people).

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posted April 17, 2017 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My progressed moon is in Pisces right now and Saturn is going to be going into my 4th when it goes into Capricorn. I am wondering if this is the reason why I feel the way I do? I am usually never in one spot long especially since my kids are more grown. Lately, I just am happy to be at home and read , be on the web or whatever. I miss hanging out sometime but I just have other things that come up or too tired to. I'm always up to go workout but lately just skip the gym and with Jupiter transiting my Ascendant, I look like a water buffalo! lol

At first I thought maybe I was depressed but I feel happy although I am not happy every second of the day, I am however happy everyday.

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posted April 18, 2017 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you mean introverted? Antisocial is an illness in my mind. Introverted happens for many reasons. Often it is a kind of sensitivity or stronger connection with self than others.

I'm very introverted but was more so as a child. Main reason for me: Everything from my 12th to 3rd house is Rx... everything I've looked at including asteroids. Rx causes more reception and inward expression, but also causes delay of expression like a late bloomer.

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posted April 18, 2017 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moongaze:
Do you mean asocial? Antisocial means sociopathic.

Anyways, if you meant asocial, I would say anyone who has lots of water placements, especially Cancer, and an afflicted Ascendant. I am introverted and can be very asocial, as I am a Cancer Sun and have lots of Cancer placements conjuncting my IC with an afflicted Aries Ascendant. Additionally, having my Pisces Moon in the 12th house is another major indicator. In fact, I would say Moons in water houses as well because they tend to be more introverted, especially if it's double water.


Im pretty sure that the rest of my original post where I say "I can be social, but I prefer my own company. I will never get married either, have children or a relationship.

The only things that can hurt you in life is other people, so if there are no people in your life, you cant get hurt either. I personally love being alone. I always have.",

Would differentiate from "asocial" to "anti-social" would have been enough for anyone to figure out what I mean, but if you had troubles with it, then I do mean asocial. I hope this has helped you clarify the difference.

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posted April 18, 2017 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yes definatley "asocial"

asocial
eɪˈsəʊʃ(ə l/Submit
adjective
avoiding social interaction; inconsiderate of or hostile to others.
"a tendency to asocial behaviour"

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posted April 18, 2017 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moongaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Im pretty sure that the rest of my original post where I say "I can be social, but I prefer my own company. I will never get married either, have children or a relationship.

The only things that can hurt you in life is other people, so if there are no people in your life, you cant get hurt either. I personally love being alone. I always have.",

Would differentiate from "asocial" to "anti-social" would have been enough for anyone to figure out what I mean, but if you had troubles with it, then I do mean asocial. I hope this has helped you clarify the difference.


I was just being a smartass, lol. I can be like that sometimes, admittedly. Sorry, I wasn't trying to stir anything.

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posted April 18, 2017 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So many false dichotomies in society, which makes it hard to learn the more complex truths of things. (Thinking of definitions like asocial, antisocial, etc.)

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posted April 19, 2017 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for erickaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
What would be in ones natal chart to make people anti-social?

I can be social, but I prefer my own company. I will never get married either, have children or a relationship.

The only things that can hurt you in life is other people, so if there are no people in your life, you cant get hurt either. I personally love being alone. I always have.



Then that wouldn't be what antisocial is. I think you mean asocial.

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posted April 19, 2017 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for erickaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah ok! Glad someone pointed it out lol.

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posted April 19, 2017 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for @lycat74     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm asocial introvert. I wouldn't call myself anti-social though because I don't hate people/humanity.

My asocial introvert placements are

Sun/Mercury in Aries in the 8th House
Pluto in Scorpio/ IC/4th House in Scorpio

Mars in Aquarius
Mars square Pluto
Mars conjunct Saturn

Moon in Scorpio
Moon Square Saturn

Venus in Pisces

As I said before I consider myself an asocial introvert. I don't hate humans or socializing but I also don't seek it out or care for it too much.

I deep down I am distrustful of others and socializing too much because it interferes with my individuality. I feel if I allow myself to fully embrace others and socialize I will lose control of myself and lose myself in others. I am water dominant so losing myself in others and getting caught up in emotions is real. Especially them Venus in Pisces emotions, it just makes me want to hide out. If i allow myself to get lost in others there is a big chance that I will stay lost.

I'm also Plutonian and Saturnian, so these fears/concerns are very real. Especially the lose control part. I would say on that, a part of me fears getting close to others because there is a chance they will hurt me or it won't last. That's not a chance I want to take willingly (at least not now).

I find it much easier to do things and be on my own. Overall I like socializing and other people's companies but I prefer my own because of the reasons above.

Lastly I would say it's also for survival. I am also analytical by nature and just seeing all the mess people get into with relationships with other; it seems like too much trouble to be worth it.

Everything is fleeting, nothing lasts forever. I believe in love and human connection but I also believe in self-preservation.

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