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XzaultaX
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posted April 23, 2017 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend that is being abused at home by his father. He gave me his birth time/place and told me all about it. His father starves him with his mother agreeing they even have his sister telling them if he's eating or not. Since his parents don't allow or even supply food, he has to go to his friends for food.
I've looked in his birth chart and the things I found was an asteroid called Dolores conjuncting his Jupiter, Dolores (1277) stands for pain, suffering, illness, and agony. Another thing i found was Pluto in his 4th house. With Pluto in his 4th make this time pass? Will is life just be full of pain and agony?

Thanks in advance

His chart: http://imgur.com/a/BpbUN

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posted April 23, 2017 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's awful -- this should be reported if he's underage.

That's an interesting connection between Dolores and Jupiter, which can represent the Father. Pluto in the 4th can indeed indicate pain and difficulty from one's family of origin.

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posted April 23, 2017 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forget astrology, his situation needs to be reported, anonymous if needed.

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XzaultaX
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posted April 23, 2017 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
That's awful -- this should be reported if he's underage.

That's an interesting connection between Dolores and Jupiter, which can represent the Father. Pluto in the 4th can indeed indicate pain and difficulty from one's family of origin.



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Originally posted by Vegasdlt36:
Forget astrology, his situation needs to be reported, anonymous if needed.

Thing is, it can't be reported. The mother is gonna try to shield the father and if the authority try to speak with his sister, the parents are just gonna pressure her to not say anything. If i could report this I would, but some text messages aren't exactly solid 'proof'.

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posted April 23, 2017 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You report it and it gets investigated. At least you would be doing your part. If this is a school aged kid you can even report it to a counselor at school.

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posted April 23, 2017 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vegasdlt36:
You report it and it gets investigated. At least you would be doing your part. If this is a school aged kid you can even report it to a counselor at school.

I'l consider it

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posted April 23, 2017 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is required by LAW that if there is any suspected abuse or neglect of a child that it must be reported to child protection.

This is by law and can not be considered.

Thing is, if this is mot reported then the abuse will continue. It is far better for some intervention in this situation.

Child abuse and neglect really damage the child emotionally and psychologically....and it takes an extremely long time to work through it.


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posted April 24, 2017 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please do. Its just outrageous for parents to be that cruel to their child.

He has two natal t-squares.

Neptune(6th) opposite Jupiter(12th) square Venus(3rd)
Pluto(4th) opposite North node (10th) square Moon(1st)

The 1st gives him a great deal of compassion whilst the 2nd points to personal issues/ problems that motivate a public life focus.

His Jupiter/Neptune opposition may suggest social isolation or a need to retreat from everyone else and be alone. A very strong imagination coupled with concerns for social ills.

Neptune/Jupiter square Venus conjunct the Ic axis may suggest a love at home which has some form of self sacrifice, delusion and pain attached to it.

Its also worthy to note that Venus and Moon both denote love,nourishment,affection and inclusivity.

Venus squares the Ac-Harsh "love", warped affection that affects the physical body(1st).

This could mean being starved of physical hugs, physical security and feeling valued(Venus). The literal case being food as well ;as feeding someone is a natural expression of affection for that person.

And when we see that Venus is in Scorpio(in its detriment) it is the type of "love" which has some sadism/emotional manipulation and power game that he is being given/ exposed to.

This is further reiterated by Pluto in the 4th house-one of the parents being controlling, into power games and domineering/feared

Pluto square with Moon in 1st once again touches on the issue of affection and love. Hugs and kisses(Moon) form an integral part of his sense of self(1st) which is the metaphorical difficult/unrequited(square) bond with Mom(Moon in 1st square Pluto)

Again here we can see physical harm(Moon in 1st) through withdrawal of affection or some kind of manipulation/power game that does affect his sense of self.

Its almost like the parents are aware of how nourishment(either physical or emotional) are so important to him(1st). And with that knowledge, they withhold(Pluto square the Moon) so that they can gain control of him.

Pluto in 4th also will certainly not make him trust anyone at home. Nor encourage healthy close relationships in future(squares the Moon).

Physical security will grow ever more important to him. And he may find this security through an intellectual avenue(Virgo Merc/Mars) as well as "surface level" relationships(Sun in Libra).

Infact, my guess is that he may expand himself thoroughly in the area of intellectual acumen(North Node in Gem on the Midheaven)

This expansion may have him focus a lot on the external world in an effort to forget the past.

Uranus in 7th reiterates what I said about "surface level relationships". There could be a fear of getting too close and so relationships may abruptly end/be erratic, non committal or be established on a more platonic basis.

It could be that the irony of it all would be him attracting very needy and/or emotionally demanding types- thus echoing the experience he had with his parents of needing lots of love and affection.

Or he could be the one who is clingy/needy and thereby driving intimate relationships away through wanting too much too soon etc.

Whatever the dynamic, the Uranus in 7th and Pluto/Moon square in 4th/1st dynamic will continue to haunt him all his life.

He wears the pain/ trepidation of possible neglect on his face(Pluto squares Moon in 1st house) whilst simultaneously either attracting those whom will not be reliable or commit to him. Or he himself may find that he periodically pulls away or disappears from committed relationships(Uranus in 7th)

Jupiter/Neptune opposition could give him immense empathy for others(as said). And he may even work to uplift those less privileged or with similar circumstances-Neptune in 6th and Jupiter in 12th- in a selfless dedicated manner (6th/12th).

Perhaps this may be his salvation? Because he may inherently believe that the greater society(11th) is indifferent to those in suffering(Saturn) as he was.

So with Chiron in Cap opposing Saturn in 5th, the focus on fractured children(chiron in 5th) or stolen childhood could be his way of self healing?

I really hope he gets the help he needs. Keep us updated on this please.

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soren
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posted April 24, 2017 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i located the birth time to 2002 october. 15 y

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posted April 24, 2017 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is your friend an overweight person? or are their family poor?

I'm trying to figure out why a parent wouldn't feed their child

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posted April 24, 2017 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
underfeeding is termed not meeting daily recommendations. so

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posted April 24, 2017 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where does he live

someone go to his house and take the child to the authorities away from the corrupt evil house

take the daughter too

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posted April 24, 2017 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not supplying food to children is criminal

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posted April 24, 2017 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soren:
i located the birth time to 2002 october. 15 y

quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
is your friend an overweight person? or are their family poor?

I'm trying to figure out why a parent wouldn't feed their child


His birth time is, October 4th 2002, at 3:11 AM, and born in Richmond, Virginia. Yes, he is both overweight and lives in a poor household.
He doesn't want me to tell anyone, because his mother is pregnant. He wants the baby to be born and he said he will take care of the baby. According to his mother, to support the baby he will be working 2 jobs and he will never be at home. He says his father has no control over his mother when he isnt home, so he thinks he can deal with it for the time being. In the past, he had and suffered from suicidal tendencies, bulimia, and self harm. But, thanks to his friends and his mindset, those have stopped.

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posted April 24, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for filling in.

once he gets some jobs, he can do what is best for the child.

good luck

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posted April 24, 2017 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there should be some kind of social assistance for low income family with 3 children

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posted April 24, 2017 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure his parents are actively abusing him though, but it's really a tough situation and household he is in, I'm sure he'll come through though with time of course

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posted April 24, 2017 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by XzaultaX:
He doesn't want me to tell anyone, because his mother is pregnant. He wants the baby to be born and he said he will take care of the baby. According to his mother, to support the baby he will be working 2 jobs and he will never be at home. He says his father has no control over his mother when he isnt home, so he thinks he can deal with it for the time being. In the past, he had and suffered from suicidal tendencies, bulimia, and self harm. But, thanks to his friends and his mindset, those have stopped.

He doesn't sound any more qualified to raise a child than his parents are. (And there are better ways to make a child lose weight rather than starving him, assuming that's what they're really doing--forbidding him sweets or mandating a healthy diet he finds uncomfortable isn't the same thing as starving him.) And if he thinks he can work 2 jobs (especially as a kid, and a malnourished one at that) AND take care of child (or that all there is to caring for a child is throwing money around) then he's wrong--if anything, he's co-dependent on his abusive mother and enabling his mother's abuse of him, and the new child. But I honestly don't know what to think about how he is old enough to work jobs (unless we're talking things like mowing lawns for less than minimum wage) while his mother is having a new baby as it suggests a lot more going on in the background.

But should you report the incident then I would also like to hear what's done (and not done) by authorities just to add to my lore of what happens when someone tries that (so many things can go wrong, assuming anything gets done, and maybe one can learn something from your experience about what to do, and NOT to do). I presume this is in Virginia, but let us know if it's not as the system tends to work differently state by state (and nation by nation). And I would guess you're a kid yourself and that is going to change how people react to you reporting something as well.

And, most of all, if his chart dictates abuse, then I'd be curious what happens if he winds up in a foster home. Will it also be abusive? As there are plenty of abusive foster homes then it would seem likely given his chart...unless this is more of a "luck of the draw" thing rather than astrological forces at work.

Of course, that his chart would indicate abuse indicates that we all need to know the charts of everyone around us to know ourselves since their charts dictates our actions just as our charts dictate their actions.

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posted April 25, 2017 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just coming from a kid that grew up in similar circumstances till about 12 years of age, where it wasn't that no one told me not to eat or tried to starve me. ( there was just no food to eat) There was no water to take a bath or other things . Just think 3rd world country along with being abused in so many other ways. Going to the childrens home that I grew up in was a life savor for me!! I did not see this at first, I missed my home that I was enduring abuse in and my family. As time passed , as I grew up to understand what things were suppose to be like, I thanked GOD everyday!!!! I had the basics in life , given a chance to grow in life. If I had stayed where I was, there is no telling what would have happened to me. I probably would have gotten pregnant by my uncle who was molesting me or had a million kids because I would have probably been way out there since those people in that town would have drove me nuts!! I would have been toothless, I don't know if I would have been skinny or fat but I wouldn't be anythings compared to how I am now. I still deal with issues from that living hell that I thought was my home when I was little.
I made so many friends at the home that I grew up in and it was more like boarding school to me than anythings else. I still dealt with childhood issues of being teased and bullies and etc. It wasn't like life was a fairytale from that point on but I made the best of it that I could. To this day , what I thought was the worst day at first ( the day I left my childhood home) was the best day of my life!

Don't get me wrong, I love my family and I do my best to understand things but if I had never left. It's possible the cycle would have continued, I would not know what healthy vs toxic looks like. What is abuse and what is not. What is crazy and what is not.

I wanted to cry when I saw this, no one deserves to have to endure living in hell! His wanting to take care of the child, thats how I felt about my brothers. Till this day they say that they think of me more as a mom than a sister. Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you. Praying to God for him, his family and that things work out for what is in his best intrest and the children that still have to remain there.

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posted April 25, 2017 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra is also known for gross fabrication and pathological lying.

What does he want from you?

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posted April 25, 2017 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Libra is also known for gross fabrication and pathological lying

What book, author, or tradition do you get this from? (People ******** online about the guy or gal who is a pathological liar or other bad thing, and thus all who share the same sign are, don't count since you'll find that with about any sign.) Or is this just more of your gross fabrications based on your pathological hatred for Libra?

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posted April 25, 2017 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Nine:
Libra is also known for gross fabrication and pathological lying.

What does he want from you?


I don't make friends who are like that

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posted April 25, 2017 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He doesn't want me to tell anyone, because his mother is pregnant."

I will be very careful with this statement. This could be a sign trying to manipulate (he puts "because" after that and using "pregnant woman" excuses) OR simply he just doesn't want you to tell anyone.

My advice is you need to investigate the truth more or trying to tell someone who can help.

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posted April 25, 2017 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xzaultax,

he's buttering you up for a shake down. Something Libras are notorious for. Though I'm sure not all are this way. @pixie.

Keep your purse strings tightened,
and observed how quickly his situation will correct itself.

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posted April 25, 2017 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hearttreasure:
"He doesn't want me to tell anyone, because his mother is pregnant."

I will be very careful with this statement. This could be a sign trying to manipulate (he puts "because" after that and using "pregnant woman" excuses) OR simply he just doesn't want you to tell anyone.

My advice is you need to investigate the truth more or trying to tell someone who can help.


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Originally posted by Nine:
Xzaultax,

he's buttering you up for a shake down. Something Libras are notorious for. Though I'm sure not all are this way. @pixie.

Keep your purse strings tightened,
and observed how quickly his situation will correct itself.


I've talked to him about going over to his house for a few time, to *cough cough* 'meet his parents'. Then i said, maybe i should meet your dad too, we've known each other for quite a while. He told me, no you don't ever want to meet him. I met his mother last year when she was a chaperone for a field trip, she seemed kinda jolly in a sense, or that might've been me only seeing her outer skin. If i really could investigate myself, I would love to, but i can't because i can't drive and I only know what he tells me. He did tell me that his mother was pregnant a long time ago. He can't see that far in the future, so i think his statement is true.

Well thank you for the warning and will do, Nine.

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