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girlwiththerainysoul
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posted April 25, 2017 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the source of negative feelings such as guilt and shame,

I've come to realize that it's chiron

I used to think it was saturn, and later neptune, but after analyzing my moods and emotions during certain transits and comparing them, I'm now pretty sure those feelings come from chiron

I think excessive stress too, because that's a feeling which is caused by fear (saturn) and then restlessness (uranus); between them is the area where chiron orbits

but mostly, it's guilt and shame, which turns into emotional and eventually into physical pain

chiron also makes you hold a lot back, because of being ashamed of things related to its sign and house, as a result it may cause a certain cruelty and stinginess in those areas as well

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 25, 2017 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you. But i personally have trouble understanding my Chiron chart position and sign from that perspective.

My Chiron in Taurus in 2nd suggests that i was either starved of affection/ grew up in poor conditions /have self esteem issues etc. And i really cant relate to any Chiron in Taurus or in 2nd house position.

Yes sure my parents were not affectionate,but i had a stable,happy childhood.

But if we are to look at Chiron more from the "teacher" perspective. Perhaps look at Chiron as the talent/ emotional understanding borne from "knowing" something and then choosing to give it away freely?

That Chiron like Neptune, can be selfless. But more focused in healing,compassion and holistic union of mind/body/spirit. Not from an intellectual perspective but really from a "hands on" mundane level.

Chiron in Pisces-An understanding/concern and willingness to care for those who are incapacitated, mentally ill, unable to care for themselves and vulberable in society
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Chiron in Leo- The desire to direct,mentor or lead people to self actualize or become more than what they know possible/forgotten. To awaken the child within and the dreams that served to inspire that child.

Chiron in Scorpio- To help alleviate,ease or erase fears related to sexuality,death and personal power. To lessen the guilt of wanting to express an embrace the "darker" side of the ego. And to acknowledge the need for mergence with another is really a hunger for complete self-love.

For me,Saturn is shame,suppression and guilt. I have Saturn in Scorpio in the 7th. And there is some shame attached to how sexual/obsessive my feelings in relationships can get.

Neptune speaks more about a sense of disintegration feeling confused/lost and looking further out of yourself for "guidance". It is when you can act helpless or out of your depth.

Neptune in Sag in 9th. Bless those years in varsity; on one hand there was sexual promiscuity and alcohol. But on the other, it was also a period of self-realizations and spiritual clarity.

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teasel
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posted April 25, 2017 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I tend to feel a lot of guilt or shame, if I mess up, and I have the conjunction to my Sun. I don't know if I would necessarily put it all on Chiron.

I used to take everything on myself. Sometimes I still do - but I will also end up making sure that it doesn't all stay with me, when I'm not to blame. I will point it out, if someone isn't taking responsibility, and is trying to blame me - I've been in that position numerous times, the scapegoat. When I'm not seen as likable, it's when I'm standing up for myself, or a friend, instead of remaining quiet, or just telling someone that they're right (when they aren't). Like when I'm not being the little woman, cozying up to a man's ego, to make him feel better, when he's happily insulted everyone, or would cause trouble for me in a heartbeat.

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Isa
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posted April 26, 2017 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never had suicidal thoughts until i started some bad chiron transits. I'm still having them.

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