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Topic: Your progressed chart. Is it really you Right Now?
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 25, 2017 02:00 PM
  
Can you relate to your progressed chart? Does it really describe the new you - evolved and matured into the next signs? As for the progressed chart itself, regarding the aspects in it, do they work with the same orbs as in natal charts or do these aspects have to be exact? Maybe within 1 degree orb for the current year? Sorry if I'm taking gibberish. I don't really use progressions. I'm more into transits. IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 25, 2017 02:14 PM
To answer my own question (maybe others are interested in this topic too), I can definitely relate to planets in signs placements! The main 5 planets, that is definitely me at this time of my life. But I'm not sure about aspects because I don't know how the aspects should be interpreted. Same as in natal chart? Same orbs? Venus Mars conjunction in my progressed chart, for example. Orb is 1 applying. Is it active now? What about Moon opposite Pluto, -6a?IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted April 25, 2017 03:46 PM
Progressed Sun in Gemini, Moon in Sadge, Mars in Aries, Venus in Cancer, Mercury in Gemini - yep. I can relate to it. IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 27, 2017 03:27 PM
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HelixID
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posted April 27, 2017 04:34 PM
I see the progressions as a sort of timer.
Progressed rulers are important. Change of signs of the Ascendant is important, too.My progressed Ascendant is in Gemini, for example. Its ruler Mercury is in Saggittarius right now. And I've never travelled so much as I do now. I even moved to a different country a few months ago. In the progressed composite with a partner the progressed Dsc ruler always aspects something important in the radix composite when two people meet. The progressed Moon can serve as a timer for important events and I do believe that people change when luminaries change signs. IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted April 27, 2017 04:45 PM
I wouldn't say my progressed chart is the current me, but progressions add things that may not be apparent from the natal chart itself.Example: My Progressed Sun is in Gemini. I've developed Sun in Gemini traits since my Progressed Sun changed to Gemini. This may not be obvious from my natal chart, because my natal Sun is in Taurus instead. Aspects might work similarly, but I think the orb would be much tighter. Probably 1 degree or less for aspects. Of course, another person's opinion may be needed. When it comes to progressed-to-natal aspects, I've heard that the orb has to be within 5 minutes of the natal placement. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted April 27, 2017 04:49 PM
I'm not at all sure how to answer this.
My Mc natally was Libra but now it's Scorpio. In my birthchart I'm a Cancer 8H and Scorpio 12H so esoteric, occult matters always interested me but now it feels like pieces of where my navigation are in the progression chart, lead me further along the Scorpio vein. To go deeper in the Scorpio cave, my Jupiter is rx there, conj my moon.
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 27, 2017 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Lerena:
When it comes to progressed-to-natal aspects, I've heard that the orb has to be within 5 minutes of the natal placement.
Oh..that's really close and would probably work very well for rectified charts and that's great for me because mine is. But what about something like a year outlook? What orb am I looking for? Anybody who knows, let me know please. Thanks IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted April 27, 2017 08:10 PM
The natal chart is always foremost in importance. As an example, my natal Venus is Cancer, and Rx. I've spent about the last 50 years or so with my progressed Venus in Gemini. So there's a flavor of Gemini in my Venus, but the natal Cancer Venus is always a better description of my Venus. And although very important things happened when Venus progressed over my natal sun and when the progressed turned direct, I'm still going to see the description for the Rx as a better fit (though hopefully I've learned to turn the more internalized energy into a positive, befitting the progression to direct).IP: Logged |
CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 28, 2017 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by HelixID:
In the progressed composite with a partner the progressed Dsc ruler always aspects something important in the radix composite when two people meet.
I don;t understand.. Dsc ruler of progressed composite? Or Dsc ruler of composite? What should aspect what? Confused for sure! IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted April 29, 2017 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Can you relate to your progressed chart?
Yes, but only as a secondary subtle influence. I don't watch it like a hawk. quote:
Does it really describe the new you - evolved and matured into the next signs?
No, it does not. Personal growth is earned. It does not happen merely because a certain point in your birth chart has progressed by into a new position based on the day-for-a-year metaphor. quote:
As for the progressed chart itself, regarding the aspects in it, do they work with the same orbs as in natal charts or do these aspects have to be exact?
No, not the same orbs as the natal chart, not even close. quote:
Maybe within 1 degree orb for the current year?
No. Progressed positions are not current real planet positions. They are phantoms of the past. That is, they are previously transpired transits from the early days/weeks of your life projected symbolically onto your current life using the day-for-a-year metaphor. So the orbs must be very tight. The most active progressed aspects at any given time are those closest to culmination (orb = 0°00'). Generally speaking life events don't take place unless there are two or more such aspects within 0°04' of exact, or one with no orb at all (0°00'). This also includes progressed aspects made by planets to natal house cusps relevant to the events in question. Many astrologers frequently mis-attribute life events and occurrences to progressed aspects still in formation and well outside active orbs. quote:
Sorry if I'm taking gibberish. I don't really use progressions. I'm more into transits.
And that is just fine. Transits are better for the student and layperson to follow, as they deal in definitive current planetary positions in relation to the distinct starting places in your natal chart. Astrologers revel in symbolism a bit too much. We'd all be better off with an improved understanding of what we're talking about and with better priorities on what astrological information to use as in-hand currency. Stick with the natal chart and transits and you cannot go wrong. Hopping around to secondary progressions, tertiary progressions, primary directions, solar arcs, etc, etc, becomes a fishing expedition for whatever you would like (or fear) to find rather than a guided expedition through actual current astrological influences upon your life. ------------------
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CapriciousCapricorn
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posted April 29, 2017 08:24 PM
Kannon,Thank you for taking time to answer my questions in detail. Because the orb of activity is so tight progressions seem like a good method for rectification then. Have you tried it like that? And what do you use for rectification? I had my chart rectified, the astrologer who did it used primary directions. Can't say that I'm a fan of that method as I know about it even less than about progressions but I like the astrologer. I'm now curious to check how the timing of important events in my life corresponds (if it does at all!) to progressions. What's been your experience? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted April 29, 2017 08:32 PM
Yes, secondary progressed aspects to natal positions are essential for rectification and are the primary factors I use for determining the outcome. I often utilize transits for starting the process once I've got a solid idea of the person's personality and rising sign, but often secondary progressed aspects or secondary-to-natal aspects will make the determination. They contain what I call internal chart rectifying metrics as I have illustrated at my site. ------------------
The Declinations Guy
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Selenite
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 30, 2017 02:42 PM
Yeah,
Cap Sun in 5th
Cap Mercury conjunct Neptune and Uranus and Vertex in 5th
Moon in Aqua in the 6th (conjunct my natal Psyche and Sun-Moon MP)
Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio conjunct IC
Mars in Virgo conjunct ASC
Saturn conjunct DC
Lilith conjunct MC
IC / MC at 29 Scorpio/Taurus and changing to Sag/Gemini this year
Pluto at 29.36 Scorpio changing to Sag soon Honestly nothing could be more accurate.
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HelixID
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posted May 01, 2017 04:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
I don;t understand.. Dsc ruler of progressed composite? Or Dsc ruler of composite? What should aspect what? Confused for sure!
Progressed composite Dsc ruler to the progressed composite luminaries or the progressed composite Asc ruler or the radix composite Sun, for example.
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