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soren
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posted May 05, 2017 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it was just the body rulership that indicated why aries was the "baby, innocent excited" that would make sense.

the feet have the furthest distance from your sensory input (eyes, ears, smell, brain) basically where all excitement is. They rest at the bottom, like a blind man picking up many details that the excited eyes would never think up.

In this way, merely the feet are like a masterful connection. they are the "final" end of the body. there is an extremely powerful thing to be at the end of start of the body.

if we think of the zodiac as two locked rings 180degrees on each side, as the sun motions through them, there is 2 distinct halves...

once the sun crosses into one half, it is, factually traced from how its moving, at the start.. which occurs at both aries/libra.. interestingly, cardinal signs (cardinal = beginning, past, understands why things are the way they are by refering to previous circumstances)

and as it motions through one of the halves, it moves towards the end. always in mutable signs (pisces or virgo, mutable = finishing tasks)

anyway the eyes/sensory input would get very basic information and not be able to sink deeper into advanced ways.. therefore is much like a baby, gasping at every butterflyd creature. pisces does not have this same thing.

i am just thinking, for example if i was a 12th house sun, i am like a master. the man standing on the tower, overseeing all. i might see someone who is a virgo. i think of their place, 6/12. in fact, it does feel like i am more masterful in a way, and they are in their place, working for advancement (work = virgo), striving to connect physical things and go through life working. this does seem = to 6/12.

this is how the stages are actually represented.

7/12 is libra, a bit more advanced. starting to think of ideas. why the world is how it is on a thoughtful way. understanding. new thoughts. leave the stress of work and go on to understanding.

in body connections, this might be real. perhaps the area 5/10th down the body is more closer to the central input (brain) and thus more simpler.

when you understand the zodiac in its parts, there is mutable water, goes to cardinal fire, it's a mathematical sequence. i dont see any being particularily more 'masterful'. just like sides of a hexagon, none is advanced than the other.

but from body connections, i do see some being more innocent, (aries) and some being more calm and masterful (pisces).

this may be the reason for the stages, traced down to our body.

however, the sun's cycle through these rings, these rings, maybe are the creation of atmost (highest simplest pure) of creation.

each ring has a peak half way through. as the sun starts to climb, it will eventually reach the end of climbing, in gemini. (mutable).

then it will 'start' the descent (going lower) in cancer.

now it may be these simple movements, of starting and ending things, which is the pure essence of zodiacal creation!! (might be wrong)

are you following me, the rings have starting and finishing points. there are 4 points in the dual ring system. each point, something ends, and something begins equally.

lets imagine how this works.

maybe we can assume that it's the mere motion of starting, and ending, that creates the signs. maybe cardinality is just starting energy. imagine going through a cycle, the sun or body, starting at the lower right->, moving up to the "finishing" area where it finishes at the line. then starts again, then finishes, go around and imagine this starting and finishing. you start to understand what cardinal energy means. it means the beginning. the finishing energy you start to envision. it can see the end. it prepares for what is about to come.

so why isn't there only 2 motions, just starting, and ending? it should make sense

okay imagine now the sun moving very slowly through this motion. okay it starts (lower right). now the mid way point is where not much is happening to it.

it is moving along it's way, but it's taking a very long time. in this case, it isn't really ending yet, and we already got past the starting area. in this case, nothing really significant is happening, it is slowly moving, it is fixed. it is staying the same. it's not ending, it already began, it is stagnent until it meets another end.

this is the dynamic (just idea) that creates fixed energy. nothing is happening to it on either side. it's not touching a direct linear clear beginning or ending. no fixed energy does.

these motions, may just be the essence of creation that spawn this energy into existence.

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posted May 05, 2017 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
now these simple starting, intermiterary, and finishing, movements may explain the modalities. but not the elements. i mean for positive and negative i can understand it's a natural desire of the universe to go in and out. that's the reason why matter exists. the amount of gravitational energy (negative) and matter (positive) factually equals out exactly to 0. it is a natural fluctuation of existence to go opposites. so i understand why there would be positive and negative signs.

but the elements, i can easily explain that too

the mutable always lies just before a 'line'. the lines going horizontal (--) are where the other ring would be crossing. you see that just a mere ring by itself would have no points. as it is perfectly round. but when you add one more extra ring, 4 points are created. where they cross, and where they are highest. but the mutable point at the higher right of the ring, (highest) is much different than the mutable point at the mid left, where they cross. there is no way scientifically/mathematically that these 2 ending points could be the same, as they are entirely different.

this would be the cause of variation. creating elements from atmost

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posted May 05, 2017 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love reading your writings, essays, opinions, and information, soren. Do you have a blog? I would definitely read it!

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posted May 05, 2017 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just here no where else

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posted May 05, 2017 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when i say a body area is closer to yoru head might be simpler (not more primitive) because you have more easy access to it. the more easy you access it, the more fun and enjoyable, but the less it causes you to think about other things.

but who knows about the cycle, as gemini (just before the first hump) is more advanced in the journey than aries.

maybe it is more advanced in that way as well. i dont know.

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posted May 05, 2017 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you inspired this explanation when you said i reminded you of pisces. you also inspired well eventually led to my explanation on infinite space. when you said you belived in that a year ago

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posted May 05, 2017 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always saw Pisces as the stage that is closest to God. Sagittarius is still stuck in ego (fire).

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posted May 05, 2017 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm not sure how good you are at getting the cardinal/mutable energy vibes as you go around the wheel. imagine "cancer" then "pisces" as your eyes rotate to each segment. just the 2.

you start to see mutability is finishing coming to an end.

you start to see how pisces sees the details of what god is. cancer is something else. it's like just pure wonder and amazement. but pisces has all the deets collected so it paints a picture.

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posted May 08, 2017 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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posted May 09, 2017 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, I also liked to read it, it made sence to me

yeah, I thought also, that maybe the first 4 signs would have the greatest visible influence in this world.

And I compared the numbr 7 of Libra with the 7th day of the Bible, there is no 8th day, so everythink after the 7th is from ``another world`` and the 8 beeing a transition.

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