posted May 21, 2017 02:19 PM            

at 3 months old i moved to another country. this put my natal ascendant from gemini to sagittarius.

from 3 months to 10 years old then i moved but i've never lived longer anywhere else than that period from 3 months to 10 years. always less than 6 years everywehre else

but i spent all my crucial formative years living as a sagittarius ascendant.

to this day - my natal gemini ascendant makes no sense. now if i read from my sagittarius ascendant - it makes absolute sense. i've been guess as a sagittarius ascendant as well and all major boyfriends have been geminis

i think depending on the years or period on your life - relocation charts can become like the new natal

i know there are going to be people on here that will vehemently disagree but after watching my charts for all the places i've lived the one from 3 years to 10 years old makes the most sense. that's the ascendant and core personality forming right there. my MC even fits my career sterotypically

posted May 21, 2017 03:39 PM            

But I hear you, it does not surprise me at all you identify more with your relocation chart!

Also been guessed a Sag does not mean you have Sag rising. For example I have Southnode in Sag, Jupiter in the 1H, Sag on my Sun/Moon midpoint, and Neptune in Sag my strongest planet squaring my luminary opposition! So its not surprising I look Sag like.

You telling me you identify strongly with the description of Sag rising to me is more telling...

What is very telling is when you look at all the house cusps and what their rulers are doing in your chart ect and it really paints an accurate narrative of your life and the themes you deal with. Last, if transits make more sense with Sag rising than with Gemini rising as a whole looking at your chart..

I would think a Gemini riser has more nervous energy while sag rising is restless but more chill, gemini rising more diplomatic and sag rising more blunt...

Like I said I am not surprised at all you identify strongly with your relocation chart and get were you are coming from...

posted May 21, 2017 03:47 PM            

Sag rising and its cusps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSYcO_-6Hw0

Gemini rising and its cusps:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdXf39lhu4

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i7HMaRuGk

posted May 21, 2017 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Well the AC is a major point of attraction so attracting Geminis if you have AC in Gemini makes a lot of sense but so would attracting your DC, all your angles in general are a strong point of attraction really IMO..

But I hear you, it does not surprise me at all you identify more with your relocation chart!

Also been guessed a Sag does not mean you have Sag rising. For example I have Southnode in Sag, Jupiter in the 1H, Sag on my Sun/Moon midpoint, and Neptune in Sag my strongest planet squaring my luminary opposition! So its not surprising I look Sag like.

You telling me you identify strongly with the description of Sag rising to me is more telling...

What is very telling is when you look at all the house cusps and what their rulers are doing in your chart ect and it really paints an accurate narrative of your life and the themes you deal with. Last, if transits make more sense with Sag rising than with Gemini rising as a whole looking at your chart..

I would think a Gemini riser has more nervous energy while sag rising is restless but more chill, gemini rising more diplomatic and sag rising more blunt...

Like I said I am not surprised at all you identify strongly with your relocation chart and get were you are coming from...

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thank you for being so kind with your message

i was scared i'd get clawed at by the astro police

i made my conclusion because of the IC and MC -

IC in Pisces - alcoholism, pill addiction in my parents, secrets, deceptions, illegitimate children, violence. my Saturn conjuncts my IC too in that chart and my father is a Pisces moon. the Saturn opposites my MC in Virgo (mother is Virgo sun and moon and was the disciplinarian in the family) and she was so controlling. it was a childhood where the only freedom was in my mind and to be elusive because the house was the prison. both mars in Virgo, square pluto in Scorpio and both mars and pluto square Saturn on the IC.

who I'll grow into, how my sun and moon etc will manifest I'm not sure but I know I can't change my childhood.

the Gemini chart makes no sense. Leo mc? Aquarius mc? I work in healthcare! Nowhere near technology or anything aquarian-like. not really humanitarian either.

I get what you mean by the more blunt - I've been getting in trouble with that haha I learned tact late in life and still have trouble mustering enough energy to care about it. The restless but more chill suits me so much better.

i use to think I'm a bit nervous but only when I'm out in the world and when i'm around people i reckon that's Virgo MC, that's a nervous energy too.

with transits i started thinking, looking at my Gemini chart that oh with Saturn then going through my 7th house I'd have trouble finding people.. nope. the personal growth with Saturn in my first though has been unbelievable and aligns more accurately. Having Pluto finish through my first house then Saturn now just leaving my 12th house matched up with everything! I started feeling better the moment Saturn crossed my ascendant!!

posted May 21, 2017 07:13 PM            

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the videos.

posted May 22, 2017 03:50 PM            

Have you ever gotten your birth certificate? What is the source of the 2:17 time you sent me?

posted May 23, 2017 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Sarahhm,

Have you ever gotten your birth certificate? What is the source of the 2:17 time you sent me?

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that 2:17 is from the birth certificate.

i've been meaning to email you back and i have about 3 drafts in my email account because i don't know how to say that any of the ascendant options fit me.

this whole thing is making me lose my belief in astrology. rectification and relocation chart and all of that.

like the options you gave for possible ascendant signs for if i was born in the afternoon was from taurus to virgo

taurus - no really, i know taurus ascendants and i'm not like that
gemini - that's kinda been a no from the beginning. otherwise i wouldn't be asking these questions i have mercury out of bounds so i'm quite cerebral but compared to the actual geminis that i know, i'm not like them
cancer - i know cancer ascendants, i'm nothing like them. great conversations but nope
leo - possible, I have the big hair and the libra IC would suit the fact that my childhood was very imbalanced constantly.
virgo - possible because i am in health care so chiron would be in my first and that would put mars in my first house. the MC doesn't suit though and the IC i guess yes. Virgo would be closest

All i know for sure is that there's fire/martian energy on the ascendant.

the other thing you mentioned was no way for pisces and aries, which is interesting because i think aries would be an option since it occupies less than 30 minutes between pisces and taurus, I have the aries eyebrows and i have a visible birth mark on my face.

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the biggest cause of my doubt in astrology is frankly the transits.

doesn't matter which ascendant - the transits for all fit.

i pulled up information on Saturn, jupiter and pluto transitting the houses and the description for every house fits. honestly.

there's been a huge rehaul on my life and all the 1/7th house has been affected and to sort that out 12th house issues have been dug all out and that sorted out my 6th house issues. both those two axis gave me the courage to handle all my 2/8th house matters that have been going on for years. 3/9th house - i'm at the period of my life where that is all I do every day and I've been steadily working to learn and improve in those areas. 4th/10th house issues are linked with the 12/6th house areas and those have been affected. 5th house matters have improved as well because dealing with all of the above gave me the freedom to pursue the arts again and my 11th house has drastically improved so how i have friends, a community and goals.

I can't use transits to determine which is accurate because it doesn't matter how i turn the ascendant line - everything is affected, with equal intensity at the same time so there's no way of discerning chapters really.

i don't know maybe if i'm an aries ascendant 3rd decan it would be uranus crossing my ascendant. i dunno. i just don't know.

the last few years has just been getting all my **** together in every conceivable area.

and with the 'mask we show the world' ascendant -
i'm chatty like a gemini
i love beauty and money like a taurus/libra
i'm a go getter and don't take **** like an aries
i am emotional like a cancer when the time to be so happens
i'm meticulous and a perfectionist like a virgo
i am loud and have big curly mane like a leo
i have been told i'm initimdating like a scorpio ascendant.
i am very expansive and philosophical like a sagittarius
i am ambitious as hell like a capricorn (sun/moon so obv)
i like to stir **** up and make changes when they need to be changed like an aquarius
and i am emotional elusive and as sensitive as a pisces

astrology just doesn't seem to hold up to me anymore

and i think i'm exhausted in trying to make it work for me when i just doesn't seem like it does.

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posted May 26, 2017 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by sarahhm:
that 2:17 is from the birth certificate.

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Then at minimum that afternoon time will be a 'set aside', knowing that you do not fit Gemini rising (and I agree). It is possible that PM was designated wrongly when birth was really AM. Wouldn't be the first time.

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i've been meaning to email you back and i have about 3 drafts in my email account because i don't know how to say that any of the ascendant options fit me.

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You don't have to come to conclusions before the rectification. That is what the process is for, to make use of expert astrological literacy from someone who will listen and take in all the information as your truth.

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this whole thing is making me lose my belief in astrology. rectification and relocation chart and all of that.

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Most professional astrologers (much less students) do not have the astrological literacy to do rectification work. The only time that I've recommended a person do such chart adjustments is when they know they fit the rising sign they are supposed to have, but the degree doesn't seem right, or when it is obvious they better fit the preceding rising sign. That is far more manageable.

No need to make yourself crazy.

Trying to rectify across a wide time range (or the full day) is like trying to write your biography in a language you're only somewhat familiar with. You'd get an expert in that language to help you co-write. Otherwise you would make yourself crazy.

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All i know for sure is that there's fire/martian energy on the ascendant.

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That could be a good starting place for me to work with, but it is imperative that you first write down things you know are true and core to your personality -- in non-astrological terms. Use ordinary language. Let the rectifier be translator.

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the other thing you mentioned was no way for pisces and aries, which is interesting because i think aries would be an option since it occupies less than 30 minutes between pisces and taurus, I have the aries eyebrows and i have a visible birth mark on my face.

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This is an example of what I mean by astrological literacy. There is really no such thing as body parts styled a certain way belonging entirely to a particular 30° span of the zodiac. I know I may've also used such terms at times, but they are not to be taken literally as gospel truth. They are observations to be integrated into on overall picture.

What is most important is personality. If fire/Mars is what you most relate to, I accept that you know yourself best and would be looking for how that could/should be emphasized in the birth chart.

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the biggest cause of my doubt in astrology is frankly the transits.

doesn't matter which ascendant - the transits for all fit.

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Not possible. Lack of precision or clear application of transits to life events.

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i pulled up information on Saturn, jupiter and pluto transitting the houses and the description for every house fits. honestly.

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Lack of clarity due to your level of astrological literacy and/or the sources of information you are relying on for interpretation.

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I can't use transits to determine which is accurate ...

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Truth.

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because it doesn't matter how i turn the ascendant line - everything is affected, with equal intensity at the same time so there's no way of discerning chapters really.

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Not true for an expert with .... here it comes again ... the depth of astrological literacy needed for rectification.

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i'm chatty like a gemini
i love beauty and money like a taurus/libra
i'm a go getter and don't take **** like an aries
i am emotional like a cancer when the time to be so happens
i'm meticulous and a perfectionist like a virgo
i am loud and have big curly mane like a leo
i have been told i'm initimdating like a scorpio ascendant.
i am very expansive and philosophical like a sagittarius
i am ambitious as hell like a capricorn (sun/moon so obv)
i like to stir **** up and make changes when they need to be changed like an aquarius
and i am emotional elusive and as sensitive as a pisces

astrology just doesn't seem to hold up to me anymore

and i think i'm exhausted in trying to make it work for me when i just doesn't seem like it does.

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I can imagine. The simplistic stereotypes you are working give tidbits that could seem to resonate with many people.

thank you Kannon for the message you sent me and with trying to help me figure this thing out, but i think i'm just at a dead end. especially with relocation charts coming into play. i don't know[/QUOTE]

Quite simply, a legitimate chart cannot result from a non-legitimate one. If a Gemini rising natal chart is not accurate then it cannot produce a secondary chart that is.

This is all an example of why I offer the service I do, and why I try to answer questions related to the Ascendant and birth chart accuracy. The popular information spread across the internet (often from outdated texts) is not reliable for rectification work. This is why I have given my own summaries for all the rising signs, and why I take time to answer inquiries and give estimates/assessments for people's birth chart and possible rectification situations.

It has taken me 20 years of study to reach this level of ability, and I'm not done yet. I've been attempting rectifications since 2000, and have only become reasonably competent in the last several years.

You are the one who knows yourself best, so it is important that write down everything you know about yourself in plain terms (not astrological terms). What is making you crazy is switching back and forth constantly between what you know about yourself in raw, ordinary terms and what 'should' mean in astrological terms.

Look at my rectification questionnaire for an example of what I mean:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rectification-request/

posted May 26, 2017 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by sarahhm:
at 3 months old i moved to another country...

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This can indicate the possible presence in the natal chart of an internal chart rectifying metric in the progressions. I'm the one who coined that term.

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from 3 months to 10 years old then i moved but i've never lived longer anywhere else than that period from 3 months to 10 years. always less than 6 years everywehre else

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Indicates an almost certain planetary factor (like Uranus) strongly affecting the IC (4th house cusp) of your authentic birth chart. The Taurus rising chart I previously showed you in email does have this in plenty, but that does not itself prove Taurus rising is correct. If not the IC, then the Moon's aspects.

Unless you know what to look for in the longitudes and declcinations, you will likely not recognize the correct chart and look right over it.

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to this day - my natal gemini ascendant makes no sense.

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I accept that and agree 100%. There is zero possibility your correct birth chart has Gemini over the Asc.

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now if i read from my sagittarius ascendant - it makes absolute sense. i've been guess as a sagittarius ascendant as well and all major boyfriends have been geminis

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Good information, but which I would not take literally. But definitely would keep it in mind in a rectification process. More specifically, I request those major boyfriend's birth data so I can use it in actual comparisons to possible natal charts, or at least one that testing shows as solid.

No rectifier that I've seen is as thorough as I am in using all available data from parents, siblings, close relations, etc for comparisons to be sure a chart holds up (and I have researched others and the methods they've used and books they've written).

The rectification questionnaire that I linked in the previous post shows this, and it is probably going to be revised further.

posted May 26, 2017 04:04 PM            

Thank you for sharing.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

Sag rising and its cusps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSYcO_-6Hw0

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posted May 26, 2017 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
As a Sagittarius rising, I can say this is accurate! Can't more agree when she said about the 12th house cusp of Scorpio, and this explain a lot on why I am very secretive with my own spiritual believe.

Thank you for sharing.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
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Sag rising and its cusps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSYcO_-6Hw0

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