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pocketrocket
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posted May 24, 2017 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocketrocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is all that I've found:
"Martha Lang-Wescott mentions Eros retrograde as denoting a state where the sexual interests and compulsions of other people to which one is sexually attracted, create difficulty as in when a partner seeks satisfaction through internet porn instead of with an actual person. There can also be

-------> repression of the sex drive on occasion, sexual dysfunction,<-------

premature sexual experiences or a tendency to seek outlets for unconventional sexual fulfillment."

I can relate with this /arrow marked part/- unfortunately.
Couldn't find any info about this aspect.

There is more in my natal:
Venus 8th Virgo 6 47' square Saturn rx (11th Sag)
Venus square Moon (11th Sag)
Moon square Saturn
Eros rx (2nd Aquarius) - only makes semisextile with Jupiter (3rd Pisces)& trine with Chiron (6th Gemelly)

Useless to mention that couple years ago I've give up of intending to achieve any pleasure. I was really frustrated and as much as I've tried - this had a breaking impact on my relationships.

I wouldn't like to pass my life without happiness in that area. Emotions as trigger are not enough.
I am now quite comfortable with my body, but nothing happens..ever.

Is there any remedy - except being persistent & enjoy in small amounts of pleasure?


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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 24, 2017 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a psychological point of view, pleasure is about letting go. And to a large extent " going with the flow".

Saturn tends to instill some sense of guilt and shame to sexuality. Almost a judgmental voice that reasons that as a "mature" person, one should be over that and that giving in to sexual impulses in "weak".

With Venus(sexuality) , Moon(feelings) and Saturn(restriction) all involved in a square relationship, i think that these 3 are worth a fundamental assessment.

Saturn/Venus square often has one not feel attractive or sexy at all. Whilst Saturn/Moon may suppress longings to be cared for and loved.

The fact that you recognize these issues within yourself and enjoying small amounts of pleasures, is progress.

Have you tried erotic fiction or perhaps soft porn to understand what your inclinations are towards?

For some people the full experience complete with chains and handcuffs unleashes long pent up desires. And for others it could be something as simple as lingerie.

How does your 8th house look? Where is your Mars? Where is the Venus/Mars midpoint? And where is the ruler of the 5th placed?

We need to explore and find where the trigger points are really. Leave no stone unturned.

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posted May 26, 2017 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocketrocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had that body relation where I've found myself unattractive (irony- i was good looking than), I couldn't control my mind, everything was unpleasant distraction.. I had a fun time, when I accepted the fact that orgasm is not going to happen. But, in the end everything lead to final inner anger and I've decided to live without relationships, any love affairs, anything which includes intimacy..
So, I'm like 6year without intimacy. That had to be done, I healed myself in many areas of life, used energy in some constructive & creative projects..
But, I cannot deny female nature and desires.. I want to unlock myself from inhibitions.

i still have a fear that intimacy is going to be disappointing, even though I'm much relaxed regarding my desires and sex.

Maybe it can be helpful tip to this problem:
when I was 5 yo, an old man in whose house we lived, used to lock me and show me pornographic materials & stuff.. and made me touch him. He threaten me, but when I said that to my family they told me that I lie. I think it was easier for them & I forgive them (recently).

Also, when I was 11-12 years I was accused by my grandmother that I'm fcking around with boys.. it was quite shocking for me - wtf?! but that kind of story was hanging in my family .. also, I always felt shame regarding sex.. it was described like smth dirty.. even though I knew that wasn't true. ..
But subconscious had different games with me

Some ppl saw my chart told me that I've had an abortion - I didn't.

This is my chart.. I was aware of Saturn return in time & I started to work on my personality & spirituality.. it all came naturally.. now, when I have some kind of relief I want to improve an important aspect of my life...


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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 26, 2017 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/Saturn conjunct square Venus.

Saturn parallel 8th house cusp
Chiron parallel 8th house cusp

There are some painful issues with regards to sexuality. But that does not mean living like a nun or repressing yourself.

It just means that you are not going to be the type that is sexually promiscuous or easily aroused to jump into bed with anyone.

Saturn on Venus or on sexuality points tends to feel sexy or aroused when they feel secure and trusting of the partner. They want to be competent in this area of life and feel much anxiety if this does not happen.

Saturn here may suggest that you may have to stop judging yourself so harshly. You may know/ be intuitively aware of what gets you "on" for instance. But talk yourself out of it and say "thats gross".

If you are to unlock what your desires really are or get in touch with your sexuality. You will have to release your judgement of all of it and explore as a child would a new toy(within safety precautions).

Go to strip shows,look at magazines,go to exhibitions. Make it a point to explore under your own rules because before you were brainwashed into thinking a certain way (Pluto/Merc square). Now its time for the cleansing.

Closing yourseld off will not do it. You will have to learn to be more open about this subject as on the way you may learn to master it and become very empathetic/open minded to issues surrounding sexuality- because of your reserved judgement.


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pocketrocket
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posted May 26, 2017 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pocketrocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right. Trust is very important.. I made a big leap regarding judging in any sphere.. I treat myself with kindness, like I do with other people..
Regardless my problem and feeling of body shaming, filthy sensations I was trying to break those bad moments..obviously - without bigger success.
I was trying to merge with person I'm with.. and I know how to please very well..even though i don't achieve climax I think I can be very sensual.. (but, there is a question how someone could enjoy if the other person is unsatisfied)
There were many embarrassing situations in family that affected me in that way..so much the more i was shy..

I'm not strict regarding this issues anymore. Or shy.. actually, I'm quite comfortable.. I have someone who has an interesting approach, almost experimental to me.. he's the one who broke the strongest issues.. we expended our friendship and we're exploring each other.. it's so beautiful. I feel so much comfort with him and really I don't mind we're not in relationship. He's healing me in that way..

QUESTION: Is possible to overcome those hard aspects? For real .. not just to make compensations over them?
I considering to explore tantra.. maybe it would be helpful..
Are there any promising aspects regarding my problem?

PS. Aries, your replies are very helpful. I don't speak with anyone about this.. none of my friends doesn't understand the depth of this state.. I guess this icognito mode is much easier for me..
PSS. Sorry for my english. I'm not from eng speaking country

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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 27, 2017 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your English is fine. Its not my home language either.

I don't think that we can ever get over our challenging aspects. Because we are not supposed to.

I think your question would be like asking ;" can i get over the way i walk?". It may be "funny", "quirky" or even attention-getting. But like it or not,its a part of your signature.

This aspect has its positives too. They will be realised as you grow into them.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted May 27, 2017 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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