posted May 28, 2017 03:37 PM            

Aquarius is renowned for being distant and aloof, yet humanitarian and future-focused; but the 11th house is principally to do with communities, groups and large social causes.

How does this make sense? I have a fair bit of aqua - I have it rising and my south node is there. When I'm having a bad time, my default is to withdraw and spend a lot of time on my own.

And then we have the 11th house. All about groups and communities. I can't think of another natural house-sign disharmony, all the others seem to fit but this one.

One of my good friends has a packed 11th house. Sun, Saturn and Mercury all conjunct. So with this sort of signature, would we expect to see a natural loner? someone who finds purpose in groups? Or someone who swings between the two? Or is it the loner in the crowd situation - which is a proper meta paradox.

posted May 29, 2017 04:58 AM            

So for you it's being the individual within a bigger collective?

Do you think there's a self-sacrificial process at play here perhaps? I guess an analogy would be the individual who devotes their life to the military to make themselves a component part of something greater. At an extreme level, the soldier who dives on a grenade to save the platoon; or the captain who goes down with the ship so the lifeboats get to safety.

posted May 29, 2017 05:44 AM            

We all want a sense of belonging. Even if that is to a group of 3 or 4 people- as it helps to make us feel that we are not completely alien to everyone around us.

The 11th house is not like the 4th as it is not the family we start with but the one we want to gravitate towards.

We share interests,values,beliefs and hopes with this "family". And if Sun/Moon/Cancer/Leo is there, we can find no real distinction between them and our blood ties.

The 11th house can be emotional if one has Moon,Sun,Venus,Neptune there. Prone to combativeness when Mars/Pluto is there.

If you have Mars/Uranus in the 11th, you feel like you have to find a niche within the niche. Your pool of friends may be even smaller still.

These guys want to be free to break off and break away at will. They don't usually feel they belong to one particular group for long.

Saturn in the 11th doesn't belong in one group and has to mantain a balanced/mature outlook that no group will ever merge with their ideals and values without limit.

These guys can feel lonely even within their group. And this is the burden they bear i.e that in many ways they really are alone. And they should come to accept that without caring about how they "fit in" with others etc.

Venus/Moon/Neptune in the 11th can get emotionally attached. Often seeing the group as a reflection of ideals and sense of closeness that they want.

Neptune especially can think the group they find acceptance in (because of being isolated for so long), is the answer to their prayers.They may view the group as a "Godsend".

Pluto in the 11th has the power to transform the individual through "group think"- for better or worse.

Pluto in the 11th can have a sort of life altering perspective effect on the person that is brought on by being a member i.e a mother who joins a group for children with autism and finds sanctuary there. Her ideas of what autism is/how she viewed it, are radically altered or shifted etc.

posted May 29, 2017 06:19 AM            

I do not believe 'blood is thicker than water'. My collaboration, closeness and familial connection to others is heavily influenced by their value system and worldview, and not whether they are blood relations.

Those who share my 11th house ideals *feel* like more like my 'family' than blood relations who do not, basically.

I am still loyal to my blood family, however, my 11th house connections are held in as high a regard as blood relations I share values with, and certainly higher than those I do not.

I do also have a 4th house Aquarius Sun and Aquarius Mercury though, so that will add to my perception of family.

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posted May 29, 2017 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I have Moon in Virgo in the 11th, and I would say I have created my own family from those who share similar ideals and passions to myself.

I do not believe 'blood is thicker than water'. My collaboration, closeness and familial connection to others is heavily influenced by their value system and worldview, and not whether they are blood relations.

Those who share my 11th house ideals *feel* like more like my 'family' than blood relations who do not, basically.

I am still loyal to my blood family, however, my 11th house connections are held in as high a regard as blood relations I share values with, and certainly higher than those I do not.

I do also have a 4th house Aquarius Sun and Aquarius Mercury though, so that will add to my perception of family.

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posted May 29, 2017 04:38 PM            

I have to say that I do not have many close friends. Only two and I also don't really try so hard to keep in touch. I feel like they do more of the work with that. I am more of a loner type (Mars in the 12th) and it doesn't bother me to not have friends.

posted May 29, 2017 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
THe 11th house can be hard to get a handle on. It is,also,hopes ans dreams. It is service to others who may be far away rather than the warm fuzzy kind of Cancer love.It is seeing a vision of a better world.It is more cerebral than emotional.

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posted May 29, 2017 05:37 PM            

Aquarius exists outside of the system and he lives for himself, the question is - for what purpose? The undeveloped side of Aquarius is characterized by loneliness, separateness, otherness - he suffers in his uniqueness because he has not found his calling. This is where many people with Aquarius influence develop the infamous God complex and horrific sense of self-importance due to immaturity. They have not yet transcendent the "primitive" ego to find their purpose.

The Aquarius purpose is to serve humanity not because he has to but because he wants to. The water bearer pours his vessel into a stagnant pool and stirs up the waters launching humanity forward into progress.

This is why Aquarius is simultaneously detached but associated with groups and humanitarianism. It is not a paradox. Aquarius serves all or no one.

All the signs (and houses) in the later half of the zodiac are non-ego based. They exist after the ego self has passed away. The practical areas of life end after Libra with Scorpio which is Death. The signs and houses after Scorpio represent the things that survive after death:

Sagittarius - Faith
Capricorn - Legacy
Aquarius - Humanity
Pisces - Collective consciousness/God

posted May 29, 2017 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Brilliant post Meyray!

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I second this! Great analysis and thanks Stellia for starting this thread.

posted May 29, 2017 06:15 PM            

I really feel that meyray really summarized it well with this: "Aquarius serves all or no one." I feel aquarius can feel horrified with the things that are wrong with world and can both LOVE and HATE humanity at the same time, like they say there is a thin line between love and hate but underneath hate there is usually love, you hate bc you care.

posted May 30, 2017 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:

Aquarius exists outside of the system and he lives for himself, the question is - for what purpose? The undeveloped side of Aquarius is characterized by loneliness, separateness, otherness - he suffers in his uniqueness because he has not found his calling.

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I think I finally get it. Thank you!

I always saw it as a see-saw between loneness and oneness - whereas the true aqua/11th house principal is actually more of an elevation.

I suspect some of the confusion in my case has come from investigating my Leo North Node, which is about going from being a faceless member of a crowd to taking centre stage. I saw it as going from a loner, to a more prominent individual. Actually, it's flipping it from being a purposeless loner striving for a part in a bigger humanity picture; to creating that bigger picture by way of leading a cause.

In my case, I feel very passionately about wanting to take my past traumas (classic uranus) and bring them to other people in quite a public way to show them that hidden traumas needn't hold you back.

So to take it further, finding purpose to develop from the one to all... do we look to the house (in aqua) or sign (where 11th house prominent) in order to move it forward?

So if someone has a stellium in the 11th house in scorpio, finding that purpose may be in perhaps the military or some other underground movement.

Someone with a lot of aqua may find clues in the house cusp and placements? So having aqua in the cusp of the first - I could use the passion, fire and boldness of the first house to energise my drive towards the discovery of my purpose.

I am so grateful to everyone for sharing their insight here - it feels very aquarian, unpicking a tricky concept by building on individual perspectives to create a complete picture