posted July 01, 2017 03:35 PM            

1. Make a solar chart where your ascendant is placed conjunct your sun exactly

2. make a composite chart of this solar chart with your natal chart

3. make the composite chart

4. check it out and the transits

my theory is that that is our 'true' (theres probably a better word for it) chart that shows the blend between the time we're born and solar placements and all of that..

for me:

My birth rising sign is gemini rising
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my solar chart with my ascendant exactly on 9 degrees capricorn
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Pisces rising 25 degrees

Its kind of chilling placements and transits. I'm in the middle of looking through my list of mile stone events in my life at the moment. I've been struggling to deal with my rising sign, trying to rectify it because those who have seen my older posts know that I feel like every damn ascendant. How piscean lol.

Let me know how you guys get on and what you think if the idea

posted July 01, 2017 07:27 PM            

My composite Ascendant for your experiment is Aquarius. Saturn is conjunct my Ascendant (in this chart, to clarify), which is interesting, because I feel like Saturn has an effect on how I come across to others. Before anyone gets to know me, they probably see Saturn in my personality, though this could also come from my Sun-Saturn square in my usual natal chart.

I think the experiment is interesting. There are a few things that looked nice, but overall, I get the feeling I relate more to my current natal chart and I think many people that respond to this thread may find that they're in the same position when they try to do this.

Additionally, I think Gemini is more complex than most people would be led to believe based on its reputation. Maybe I only think this since my 7th house Moon in Gemini is very close to the 8th house cusp, but in my experience, I am very good at seeing things from multiple perspectives and this can cause me to relate to a lot of descriptions. There's probably something about each Ascendant that I could say resonates with me and I'd still select my real Ascendant at the end of the day.

However, I think that what I'm saying may result in Gemini's typical descriptions as well. If multiple options make sense or sound appealing, Gemini may run into indecision and this can be deeply confusing to someone with Gemini placements and to anyone that interacts with them. As the sign symbolized by the Twins, I would think that someone with a Gemini Ascendant would struggle to feel like their Ascendant is accurate, because they may think multiple descriptions of each Ascendant fit them, thus adding to their confusion.

I don't know you very well so it's hard to say if any of this makes sense. I've just thought a lot about Gemini as a sign and how it may be underestimated in terms of inner complexity. People with Gemini placements may just avoid depth so they're not overstimulated by all the details.

In my case, I definitely don't want to think that my deepest emotions are expressed without any kind of complex thought behind them. As such, my Gemini Moon would probably cause others to underestimate how much depth is part of my personality. Well, unless they're looking at my entire chart. I do have a Scorpio Ascendant.

posted July 02, 2017 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
If I did this correctly, I just want to point out that my results included:
Mercury in 3rd house
Uranus in 11th house
Neptune in 12th house

My composite Ascendant for your experiment is Aquarius. Saturn is conjunct my Ascendant (in this chart, to clarify), which is interesting, because I feel like Saturn has an effect on how I come across to others. Before anyone gets to know me, they probably see Saturn in my personality, though this could also come from my Sun-Saturn square in my usual natal chart.

I think the experiment is interesting. There are a few things that looked nice, but overall, I get the feeling I relate more to my current natal chart and I think many people that respond to this thread may find that they're in the same position when they try to do this.

Additionally, I think Gemini is more complex than most people would be led to believe based on its reputation. Maybe I only think this since my 7th house Moon in Gemini is very close to the 8th house cusp, but in my experience, I am very good at seeing things from multiple perspectives and this can cause me to relate to a lot of descriptions. There's probably something about each Ascendant that I could say resonates with me and I'd still select my real Ascendant at the end of the day.

However, I think that what I'm saying may result in Gemini's typical descriptions as well. If multiple options make sense or sound appealing, Gemini may run into indecision and this can be deeply confusing to someone with Gemini placements and to anyone that interacts with them. As the sign symbolized by the Twins, I would think that someone with a Gemini Ascendant would struggle to feel like their Ascendant is accurate, because they may think multiple descriptions of each Ascendant fit them, thus adding to their confusion.

I don't know you very well so it's hard to say if any of this makes sense. I've just thought a lot about Gemini as a sign and how it may be underestimated in terms of inner complexity. People with Gemini placements may just avoid depth so they're not overstimulated by all the details.

In my case, I definitely don't want to think that my deepest emotions are expressed without any kind of complex thought behind them. As such, my Gemini Moon would probably cause others to underestimate how much depth is part of my personality. Well, unless they're looking at my entire chart. I do have a Scorpio Ascendant.

So, yes, I do think it's possible you're definitely a Gemini Ascendant.

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Your original ascendant is not invalid now. You are still that Scorpio ascendant. What this is is a fusion for ease for transits and summing things up in a person because I'm tired of checking two charts to find out whats happening in this month. I've found that this is accurate to a fault for me. All surgeries, all breakups, and other major events match up with the placements of the planet in a way that makes sense and doesn't require me to basically pull at reality.

If I am a Gemini ascendant then I am, or possibly Taurus (Kannon thinks i'm a late Taurus Rising) either way this fusion gives me a Pisces Rising, placements and accuracy with regards to major life events that neither the Gemini or Taurus Rising Chart gives.

With regards to the complexity of Gemini Rising - I've spent now 4 years trying to be a Gemini Rising and that chart, then a Taurus Rising and that chart and I'm tired of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. It's not happening. I'm done being someone I'm not. **** allowing astrology to make me feel like I have to conform to a chart. I know who I am to the bone. Those charts arn't it.

I believe that our ascendant is our instinctual way of moving into the world, or initial reaction to situations. It's interesting that you have an Aquarius rising because that's been considered the Scorpio of the Air Signs. Either way, it doesn't make Scorpio rising invalid, it doesn't make Gemini or Taurus invalid. We need those to create this fusion chart anyways so it's very valid.

Maybe what this is - because some friends of mine relate to their solar chart more, I to this fusion chart and you to your Scorpio Rising chart is personal inclinations.

Who knows, an experiment.

posted July 02, 2017 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by sarahhm:
I'm done being someone I'm not. **** allowing astrology to make me feel like I have to conform to a chart. I know who I am to the bone. Those charts arn't it.

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It sounds like you've had a tougher time than me, because you don't relate to your natal chart at all, not even the sign before it, and transits don't line up with your natal chart.

I think your experiment does have some level of truth to it, especially since while I relate more to my usual natal chart, I can still see things in the chart I got that resonate with me.

Like Moon in 5th house. One of my emotional needs is being able to create. If I can't create anything, I become extremely unhappy.

posted July 04, 2017 06:50 AM            

The interesting thing for me was when Asc matched my sun, the house placements fit so much better - eg my packed seventh house goes into the 5th house instead.

The composite throws venus into the third house, and duplicates house cusps in Gemini, but transits don't really work for me at all.

It may be that in your case, that if you aren't sure of your birth time, maybe the reason the experimental composite seems to fit better, maybe that's pretty close to your 'true' ascendant?

posted July 04, 2017 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Stellia:
I had a go, even though I'm not clear on the reasoning.

The interesting thing for me was when Asc matched my sun, the house placements fit so much better - eg my packed seventh house goes into the 5th house instead.

The composite throws venus into the third house, and duplicates house cusps in Gemini, but transits don't really work for me at all.

It may be that in your case, that if you aren't sure of your birth time, maybe the reason the experimental composite seems to fit better, maybe that's pretty close to your 'true' ascendant?

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I noticed with transits is that I check the gemini/taurus rising chart, but astrologers on youtube or sites work from the sun in _______ and state the house placements as so.

Both are valid for me and they do happen but instead of checking two charts why not superimpose the sun chart where our ascendant is our sun sign and our natal chart with the ascendant. I thought that maybe it'll show how the energies are fused.

I decided to use composite midpoint because that's a combination of two charts so I went with that option. I didn't want to draw it out by hand and found the pisces rising and those placements.

Checking the major events I found that to be more accurate than both rising sign natal chart and the solar chart.