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PiscesCancerTaurus
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posted July 01, 2017 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiscesCancerTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a friend who's Saturn is at 29 degrees 51 seconds Capricorn. So when does her Saturn return actually start? As soon as Saturn enters Capricorn or when it enters Aquarius?

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mirage29
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posted July 01, 2017 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 02, 2017 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it would be when Saturn is conjunct that point or veryvclose to exact.

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posted July 03, 2017 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, any type of return is when the planet returns to where it was in the natal. So, technically speaking, the exact return will be at 29.51...

However, it may be felt a degree or so before and after that as well. I'm not sure of the exact orbs of transits for slower planets. Although I wouldn't consider Saturn extremely slow all things considered.

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posted July 03, 2017 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sabian Symbol for 30 degrees Capricorn

{QUOTE}
PHASE 300 (CAPRICORN 30°):
A SECRET MEETING OF MEN RESPONSIBLE FOR EXECUTIVE DECISIONS IN WORLD AFFAIRS.

KEYNOTE:
The power to assume responsibility for crucial choices arrived at after mature discussions with those who share this power.

We are all aware now of the work of secret committees in the White House and at all levels of the government.
The student of esoteric philosophy believes in the existence of what has been called an "inner Government" which has the power to direct or guide the evolution of our planet and of mankind.
Some people speak of "occult Hierarchy," or of the "White Lodge."
Here again what is at stake is a "seeing through" the facts of telluric processes and human history — assuming that these facts are at least in part the outcome of the decisions of a supreme Council of quasi-divine Beings.
Obviously the symbol can also refer to what occurs at the more ordinary level of business and politics.
At any level, it refers to the highest form of social interaction.

This is the last symbol belonging to Scene Twenty and related to the zodiacal sign Capricorn.
We see in it the culmination of social responsibility and a reference to EXECUTIVE POWER.
http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological %20Mandala%20-%20Capricorn%2016-30.htm {end/QUOTE}

USA 10370 Hylonome-rx Capricorn 29.29 http://markandrewholmes.com/hylonome.html

{Wow! What a surreal day! ... Been finding loads of 'creepy' asteroid synchronicities today, which I won't list right now. Weird energies aloft! }

(Been looking at my nation's chart-- tomorrow is our nation's Birthday-- and the political scene here make me nervous!! LOL)

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posted July 03, 2017 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha... okay, things getting better here now.

I looked up the dates in my ephemeris for her.

Of course, you know other things in the chart will influence her 'experience' of this transit.

Orb actually starts at 10-degrees approaching, and diminishes more quickly past the conjunction (partile = exact)

For placement-- Saturn Capricorn 29.51
(I notice you're up in Scandinavian lands? You might adjust these dates to slightly before, as my times are based on UK/Greenwich Meantime or Universal Time.)

May notice becoming more directly 'aware' around Christmas
The Thursday, December 26, 2019
New Moon Annular ECLIPSE Capricorn 4.07.
Saturn will be poised at 20.41 Capricorn that Holiday Week between Solstice and New Years 2020.

(I say Christmas.. but you may celebrate Yule, or ~whatever festivities are most-Important for her/you, during that time. I'm saying 'her' ... but your friend may be male gender. So again, I apologize.)

Saturn makes the usual 3 partile conjunctions to itself.
March, July, December 2020

Saturn will go retrograde at 1+(2) Aquarius during this time.

The Shadow Saturn-retro degree is 25+ Cap.
Jan31/February 1, 2020.
(Pay most attention to what happens from 25+ onward. The retrograde degree pathway may provide additional clues.)

Saturn will first enter your friend's exact degree 29(30) in the Year 2020

Saturn enters 29+ Capricorn
on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 (GMT/UT).
Saturn enters Aquarius March 23rd.
Saturn turns retrograde May 11.
Re-enters Capricorn (retro) July 2.
Makes a Partile conjunction-rx July 4 (return-pass #2)
continues retrograde
Turns Station Direct at 25.20 Capricorn
on September 29.
Enters 29(30) again December 7, 2020
for exact return-pass #3, December 15/16.

Monday, November 30, 2020, there is a FullMoon (Annular) Lunar Eclipse at 8.38 Gemini (Moon; opp Sag Sun).
Saturn is Capricorn 28.18.

Then

Monday, December 14, 2020,
NewMoon TOTAL Solar eclipse Sag 23+
(Sun Sag/Moon Sag)
... Saturn partile her Saturn-return degree Capricorn.
Saying again to you, the exact-final return includes the next few days Tuesday and Wednesday after the eclipse.
That is her last exact pass.

This will 'sensitize' her Saturn return degree. She can know this in advance, keep good observation of what has been going on for her during her return, and plan to use the energy to enhance her journey ahead.

By the time you pass your Saturn-return, you are considered a full-fledged astrological adult. woooo woooot! hurrah.

She'll have a little 'whiff' reminder in month of October 2021... She can make final adjustments for herself, then it's completed and finished. That whiff will be in a different sign (Aquarius) so she might not take too much notice of it, unless she were mindful to the transit and sensitive to energies.

There is another celestial event going on through that time, which may make Saturn energy harder to distinguish from a 'cluster-conjunction' of
Sun Ceres Saturn Pluto on 22(23) degrees of CAPRICORN...
ALSO hallmarked by a
Full Moon Cancer Lunar Eclipse 20.00' on Friday, January 10, 2020.
(Moon Cancer; opp Sun Capricorn 20+)

This cluster conjunction energy peaks around weeks before and after ~Monday, January 13, 2020.

Your friend should have those degrees in her chart examined for what else it connects to, and what her goals are for the time she experiences the long transit.

(topic) Saturn in Capricorn (Elizabeth Spring) [5:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ya7gFgtnOA
http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological %20Mandala%20-%20Capricorn%2016-30.htm

{{There was another video that I'm trying to find. Might take a while, IF I find it again.}}

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posted July 03, 2017 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, sometimes, when a person goes through the period of Saturn returning, some folks get married, and have a child then? There's a settling that can occur?

Range occurs from ... to ... Season.

We'll call this return a Christmas Saturn!! (laughing)

I hope Saturn won't be too much like Grinch (Dr Seuss, *bah humbug*)--, but that her return will bring her every joy her heart desires!

(music) CappySaturn 'Santa Baby' *grin* (Eartha Kitt, lyrics) [3:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0wbrGlSFHY

*Heart*

(music) My Grown Up Christmas List (Kelly Clarkson, lyrics) [4:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TTnPdZOZI

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posted July 07, 2017 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 11, 2017 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, mirage.

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