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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 05, 2017 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started this to use it as an example of rectification since the previously assumed/rumored Mercury rising charts have been brought into question by information obtained from Freddie's mother by biographer Lesley-Ann Jones (MERCURY: An intimate biography of Freddie Mercury).

I just posted part 2 today. Here's part 1:
In search of Farrokh Bulsara - Freddie Mercury's birth chart

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posted July 05, 2017 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury is the ruler of Virgo.
His Virgo Mercury is conjunct his own name asteroid!

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posted July 10, 2017 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted July 10, 2017 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not a walk in the park. .

And to think there was a time i made suggestions like "use whole sign system and watch for outer planet transits. Easy peasy."

Many sites still hold this view however

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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 10, 2017 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Its not a walk in the park. .

And to think there was a time i made suggestions like "use whole sign system and watch for outer planet transits. Easy peasy."

Many sites still hold this view however


In theory that approach could be helpful, but only if the rising sign is certain, and only if you're using just Asc/1st house body/self-related events. Which cuts out a lot of useful events. So not really that helpful in the end unless you're working with a decades-long list of life events you can cherry pick to match such a limited chart.

For Freddie's chart I'll read as many biographies as I have to, because even the longest list of life events does no good unless you truly have a grasp of the personality and what sign(s)/degree areas to consider for the Asc.

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posted July 13, 2017 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes. I think the other thing that I have always wondered about is; how can one tell a "significant" life event?

Most people would agree that a birth/death of a significant person would be "significant". But what if for that individual the death/birth was not seen/felt as impactful?

Some people see their lives "uneventful". So how would one discern which life events to use for rectification?

A cousin of mine just got pregnant with her 1st child at age 50. I think this is huge and is to me a "life event" that could be used for birth time rectification right?

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posted July 13, 2017 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry going to use this to write a proper article...


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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 14, 2017 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Oh yes. I think the other thing that I have always wondered about is; how can one tell a "significant" life event?

Every life event that would be written in a biography is significant. If it is significant to you or if it would be seen as significant to others, it is significant.

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Most people would agree that a birth/death of a significant person would be "significant". But what if for that individual the death/birth was not seen/felt as impactful?

If it is the death of a significant person it is significant.

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Some people see their lives "uneventful". So how would one discern which life events to use for rectification?

No one's life is uneventful. That is a deprecation of one's own life compared to others. We discern it by looking at the general categories for life events from an astrological perspective of house pairs:

House 1 = body, self-identity matters, physical injuries, especially to the head, solo athletic efforts/competitions. // 7th = relationships, other persons generally, marriage, other partnerships, legal face-downs.

House 2 = income, ownership, possessions.
// 8th = banking, loans obtained, impregnation.

House 3 = local travel, speeches, primary (grade) school, peripheral relatives, siblings and younger sibligns' births. // 9th flight/overseas travel, published works, higher education.

House 4 = residence/moves, occurrences in the private home life, remodeling; first house of endings, often the first death of someone close, death of a parent, dealings regarding one's childhood home or land. // 10th = honors/awards/promotions, career/job changes, salaried work, hirings/firings, the parent not represented by the 4th house.

House 5 = creative/entertainment/romantic pursuits; athletics, especially team efforts, lovemaking that is not reproduction/penetrative, children and births. // House 11 = groups, audiences, the 'industry' one is in.

House 6 = self-directed or natural medicine, bodily ailments, pets, (a)vocational work, work for a wage. // House 12 = institutional medicine, hospitals and clinics, bureaucratic institutions, prison, public service, charities and charity work, debts to society.

The key is not in assessing how 'significant' a life event is, but in knowing how to match it to the houses and natural planetary significators (rulers).

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A cousin of mine just got pregnant with her 1st child at age 50. I think this is huge and is to me a "life event" that could be used for birth time rectification right?

Of course. Anything that is not a weekly or monthly regular occurrence in living it significant enough. With women I can get two events from a birth of a child. I go back about nine months and find the day on which the Moon was in the same relationship as it is (approximately) in the unrectified birth chart. I then look for the impregnation to show in progressed aspects involving the natural significators relating to the female principle, Moon/Asc, Sun/Moon, Moon/8th/significator, Moon/Pluto, etc.

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posted July 17, 2017 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So in looking deeply into Freddie's possible Leo rising charts, one is viable through all the life events I can find. The chart below set at 29° Leo. Shown are the progressions for the date of his death: Progressed Pluto is just past culmination of its sesquisquare to natal Moon in the 4th house, and prog Moon just about to culminate square to prog Venus.

Sun [20.5° S], Saturn [20.2° S], and Neptune [21S52] are in transit parallel natal IC (4th cusp, primary house of endings, 21° South). Those combine for an average of 20.83° South, very near 21 south. (0:00 UT is used here, so it is likely the parallel average is much tighter.) So there is some reinforcement of that point.

So at this point I cannot rule out that Freddie's authentic birth horoscope may've had the last degree of Leo over the Asc.

Next up, possible Libra rising charts.

blog post at http://wp.me/p1UxSX-km5

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posted July 17, 2017 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
waxlobster,

It would be good to take a more in-depth look, because the transits you previously mentioned supporting an Aquarius rising chart could just as easily be used to argue for one flipped exactly opposite.

Progressions are internal to a particular chart considered. Transits operate at wide enough orbs as to only be corroboration rather than proof, as they are not a product of the natal chart itself, but shared universally (with variations only as to locale).

Question would be not if Freddie Mercury was an Aquarius rising personality, but was he an Aquarius rising personality with Moon in Capricorn, because that's what you get with Aqua rising for him. He may've been, but I just don't see it. Then again, I know I am only seeing him on stage and as described in the one biography of him I have read, which may not be enough.

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posted July 18, 2017 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok I see Kannon

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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 18, 2017 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I may redo this blog post by adding something pretty significant in that I should have included. It demonstrates the importance of tracking the minor 15-degree aspects in progressions.

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posted November 12, 2018 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrosaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to bump this as I'm going to see the film bohemian rhapsody I LOVE Freddie so I'm excited.

Very informative blog post Kannon, I really enjoyed reading it. Hopefully someday, somehow his birth time may be discovered.

'His cousin Perviz describing him as “painfully shy” and “secretive,” saying “He would not talk much even when he came with his parents to see us. That was his nature.'

At first I was convinced Freddie was a Leo Rising, I'm also painfully shy with all my personal planets in Scorpio squaring my ascendant. BUT when I am creative my Leo Rising takes over and I am not shy, maybe Freddie is also this way.

Another reason he may not of talked much when he would go see his cousin and was 'secretive' is because he hid his sexuality for a long time and in his family's culture being gay was a sin, he probably felt like he couldn't be his true, genuine self around them.

'The story told by his brother-in-law of Freddie saying he’d taken the name Mercury because of it being his rising planet. '

To me this makes a lot of sense, I truly think he is a Gemini Rising. Venus, mars, jupiter and neptune in the 5th, sun/merc in the 4th explaining the shyness (I also have this squaring my asc, maybe he has this too explaining the sometimes introvert, sometimes extrovert in him). I think Sun square Asc explains his contradicted personality.

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posted November 12, 2018 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your interest. This is one of those projects I was truly interested in because I love Queen and Freddie, but just have not had enough time, and its honestly not a high enough priority.

His chart situation is a bit tricky because the Moon changed tropical signs from Sagittarius to Capricorn on his birth date and during the working day period his mother said he was born. "Painfully shy" could be the combo of Sun in Virgo + Moon in Cap regardless of rising sign, or could be coming from the rising sign (earth/water) or Asc condition itself. Not sure I'll ever get the answer for my own proof.

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