posted August 07, 2017 12:55 AM            

Astrology in its most basic contact with human consciousness is Lunar, the Moon being ping-pong player of gravity with Earth's oceans and bodies of water, which creates an easily observable pattern of relation by Earth to another body in space. The Moon looms large and its presence is inescapable.

At its mundane best, astrology is Jovian, expressing sky god Jupiter's potential for growth, expanded awareness, protection, and benevolent wisdom. Then after Saturn's reaffirmation of grounded basics and responsible use, we get to those trans-personals ...

Uranus: rays of light/EMF, vibrational differentiation (frequency definition), the holographic/holism, science, higher physics and mathematics, systems, the cosmic order. It is the higher octave of Mercury, but harmonizes with Jupiter's big view and redefines the order previously set by Saturn.

Neptune: mythological meanings and layers, variations of perception, sensation of frequency, color correlations, intuitive associations, subconscious access to the superconscious, metaphysical values, creative symbology. It is the higher octave of Venus, but harmonizes with the Lunar personal-subjective and adds layers over what the Jovian could ever imagine.

As we move outward from the center of the solar system, there is a long reach from Saturn to the trans-personals, normally spoken of as not visible to the naked eye (thus relating to what must be first perceived to be discovered). Technically, Uranus is barely visible to the naked eye, but very difficult to separate from the other bodies that give points of light in the sky. So in a sense Uranus is about highly honed observation skills -- long before we get to the Neptunian, which is less about the layout and patterns of objects in the cosmos (Uranus) and more about the less obvious meaning within those patterns.

I've observed very Neptunian astrologers with intuition and associative understanding, but with little Uranian understanding. Then you have your computer programmers, those who are good with mathematics -- Uranian -- who are usually less dexterous with intuitive association and shades of synthesized interpretation.

It takes both, but in my view we first develop the Uranian. It is the order of things, at least in collective terms.

Uranus, being the planet of (non-solar) vibration, EM waves, invisible radiations, the psychic, etc. We've barely begun to really tap into that. Imagine the light years of distance between the understanding of someone like Nikola Tesla and the average 'debunker' hyper-rationalist (Saturnine).

It is my view that until we more fully develop our Uranian potentials in astrology, the Neptunian has less foundation for certainty and clarity. It lends boundarilessness that needs psi-education and the expanded understanding of the cosmos offered by Uranus.

How do you think we can bring both into our approach to astrology?

How do you think astrology should proceed with these as it develops further?

posted August 08, 2017 04:09 PM            

For many, it is easier to bypass the technical aspect (Uranus) and just go straight to intuitive understanding of astrology(Neptune).

It is interesting to note however that it is the technical aspect that forms the foundation and boundaries for the intuitive understanding to exist.

For if we only "knew" things intuitively, it would be difficult for us to discern where subjective experience ends and authentic objective evidence of synchronicity in patterns begins

Uranus' attention to the more scientific and mathematical side seems to take the romance out of it for many. And make the science of astrology seem more "definite", fatalistic and controlled than open-ended.

And many people are not comfortable in accepting that the universe is unfolding in a mathematically precise fashion with no input from them except through observation. Where is free will? Why live at all if I am just an observer of "what is"?"

Neptune's more nebulous approach broadens the appeal for those who have no real understandings for its mathematical foundations and suggests the all important aspect of "choice".

Its vague/open-ended interpretation is both the allure and deception(how fitting for Neptune)in that the only definitive is the one that the listener believes in. That in all that, the individual(not the planetary precision dance) has the last say-similar to religious rhetoric

The problem here however is that with the latter approach, many have abandoned the more structured route of science.

So this has made astrology to be seen by many as a "hocus pocus" indefinable farce. A form of religion or pseudo-science to not be taken seriously etc.

There is a way to not dry it out with too many complex calculations and numerical data whilst still keeping the broad appeal it has in check. But I can't say I know how.

I myself got interested in astrology because of the Neptune/Jupiter influence in my chart.

It didn't occur to me that beyond myth and legend,astrology was/is a concrete scientific field of study-

This realization was only recent when I stumbled on ancient writings of astrologers who were more cerebral and mathematically inclined than the "gypsy"/"hippie" sort of reputation that the current ones have.

posted August 08, 2017 06:00 PM            

The positive potential of Neptunian energies in astrology are great listening habits by the astrologer which aids finely tuned perception; having clear visual summaries come intuitively from the astrological chart factors (Judith Hill is like that).
Some negatives are: being overly inclusive of information to interpret without prioritization (a common problem since the influx of asteroids); avoiding objective testing or verification, but relying too much one one's 'intuition'.

Uranus tends to direct communication/information outward or 'at' the native.

Neptune tends to be absorbing, perceptual, intuitive, but waters down mythology and meaning into a mush at times.

I think we can work on developing the best in both, but at the moment a large percentage of astrologers are kinda Neptunian and very reliant on the smaller number of Uranian types who are the ones (including astronomers) who are telling us what to interpret (positions of planets, computerized ephemerides, etc), and providing the computer-generated charts.