posted August 10, 2017 06:03 PM            

So, basically, two or three important things have changed:
- my Moon slipped from the 9th house... to the 8th!! One of the most difficult positions for my poor Moon... actually nothing is changing, since I have always had it from the start but... this means a lot of time wasted learning other information, that was unuseful... sigh 😔
- my Venus-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio falls now in the 1st house, and not in the 2nd... the interpretation and meaning of this position in my chart has changed radically... Plus... since I have a 8th house Moon, semisquared by Pluto, there's even more Pluto and Scorpio in my chart..... and this "discovery" has not been easy
- and... where the hellll has gone my water grand trine?! I miss it now, I was soo proud of his trine...
Moon in 8th house so I'm still quite emotional for sure...

- and last but not least... my nodes... the nodal axis falls now in 12th-6th, with Nn in the 6th conjunct Dsc 0.0... so I've said goodbye to my 1st-7th axis.

The good news are, this chart feels more... me.

I wanted just to share, if this has ever happened to any of you...

Now that I have a new natal chart, it's like being born for the second time

I'm going to check all the synastries again... I'm lucky because I've been monogamous and committed for so long... there are just a few things to check

posted August 11, 2017 05:31 PM            

Congrats on your more fitting chart

posted August 12, 2017 01:05 AM            

This is why even word of mouth time quotes from mothers should not be given an 'A' rating in the Rodden system. Documentation should be required for any A or AA rating. 'A' should be for when a person says they are quoting the time from the document in hand, but the document still has not been seen by the astrologer.

In any case, this is more common than most people think. Younger astrologers or students tend to be too eager and accept a time quote from parents as if it were gospel truth. Unfortunately there are plenty of supposed professionals who do the same thing over and over year after year --
and no one seems to be noticing or learning from it!

Do you know how many such time quotes from parents differ from what is on official documents!? It's a lot. That does not automatically mean the document is always right and the parent wrong, but shows this is a stickier issue than we'd like to think. It also shows that astrology teaching should have far better logistics training and rectification training for this, but honestly that part is pretty pathetic. Astrologers -- I'm talking well-known professionals -- often just take a personally biased preference over doing any testing or rectification work (because they don't know how).

posted August 12, 2017 02:15 AM            

Does that mean that all you knew instinctively about yourself was one big lie? I think not.

Was there a time you doubted certain house placements? Well interpretations are never exhaustive.

Perhaps life events were unfolding in a manner consistent with the original birth time. But since you had buffers on , it was more like selective reading? Possibly.

posted August 12, 2017 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaitaly:
I wanted just to share, if this has ever happened to any of you...

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posted August 12, 2017 05:06 PM            

Oh, and fun fact, my name asteroid and my birth city asteroid no longer conjunct my Sun.

posted August 16, 2017 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee
However, you did not mention how it changes the aspects to your Ascendant -- more important than house changes.

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My Asc is still in Libra. In fact, I have to thank you because now I notice that the square from Neptune disappeared... but there is a nice sextile from my Sun-Uranus conjunction... and a trine from Chiron.

Documentation should be required for any A or AA rating.

Yes, the funny thing is that she HAD the document in hand, but she must have mistaken my weight for the hour, or something like that... because on the document it's very clear which is which... 😅

posted August 16, 2017 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The placebo effect.

Does that mean that all you knew instinctively about yourself was one big lie? I think not.

Was there a time you doubted certain house placements? Well interpretations are never exhaustive.

Perhaps life events were unfolding in a manner consistent with the original birth time. But since you had buffers on , it was more like selective reading? Possibly.

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No lie, I have always seen more or less clearly my issues, and I took important decisions in life long before I knew about astrology or saw my chart (such has what to study, possible carreer, etc.). So I don't think I've been influenced in this sense (and none should be influenced by what he reads in a natal chart!).

For the second question, I didn't really doubt my Moon in 9th, because I'm a Sagittarius (Sun in 3rd), so the "9th house stuff" resonated with me! Higher learning, traveling, teaching... I'm getting a Phd in Foreign Literature and I also like to learn about religions, etc. so...
And my Moon was not far from the end of the 8th, so I had read descriptions of Moon in 8th - they were also true... I had and still have Pluto quincunx my Moon so it didn't change much...

Having Pluto in the 1st and not in the 2nd changes a lot, also considering that I tried to interpret my chart using the techniques of Evolutionary Astrology, where the position of Pluto is fundamental... o.o'

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What about aspects to other planets? Has much changed. More especially as Kannon mentioned Asc/Mc aspects?

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Asc and Mc are in the same signs, degrees have changed. I think it's better "now" that I don't see that Neptune square my Asc ... But I'm still swimming in deep waters with Venus&Pluto in Scorpio-8th house Moon-South Node in 12-Mars and Jupiter in Pisces... help!

posted August 16, 2017 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
It doesnt change who you are, you should still feel the same. I'm an 8th house moon (and sun and mercury) it's not so bad. It just makes me more intuitive than others

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posted August 16, 2017 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
yay! I'm happy for you.

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posted August 17, 2017 11:35 AM            

For many years I participated in viewing many births in two separate hospitals. If people had ANY idea how often nurses put down the wrong time on birth certificates they wouldn't even bother with the more intricate timing details of astrology.

What would you say if I told you 95% of the time the birth time on those documents are WRONG? By at least a few minutes. But sometimes they are wrong by 30 minutes or an hour or even a whopping 12 hours off.

Why? Because most nurses are not astrologers and they do not really care about putting down correct birth times. They are busy doing other things. Very often they won't write down the birth time until after the baby's been washed, which can be almost 20 minutes after the actual birth took place. If there are complications it can take longer for them to bother recording it. Other times they are just lazy and will round up or round down the birth time. Born at 2:19? The nurse may just round it up to 2:30 or down to 2:00 just because. They do it all the time... Or like what happened in my case. - My birth certificate says I was born at 11:00 PM.... I was actually born at 10:30 AM - THE MORNING! HUGE difference. I only found out about this because both my parents insisted I was born in the morning despite what my certificate said. Not only did both my parents and an aunt all agree I was born in the morning- but I stumbled upon my immunization record from birth and it said I was immunized by the doctor at 10:45 in the morning.... Babies can't be immunized before they are born- So obviously my birth certificate is the one that is wrong. The nurse obviously rounded up my birth time to 11:00 because it was easier for her than to give an exact birth time AND on top of that- She was tired and wrote down PM instead of AM. This resulted in my certificate time being way off and if it wasn't for the word of mouth of my relatives who were there and insisted that I was born in the morning, I never would have found out the truth. You probably think stuff like this is rare, but after working at the two hospitals I can tell you right now that the only thing rare is an exact and accurate birth time on those certificates.

The astrologer Alden Taylor Mann was aware of how hospitals can do this so he insisted on taking note of his own daughter's birth time when it happened. He took note of her exact birth time... The one the nurses wrote down was almost 20 minutes off!

And this is all in state of the art western hospitals. You can imagine that in other countries the birth times are probably even less accurate.

Just food for thought. When you have kids take note of the birth time yourselves!

posted August 17, 2017 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
My official time of birth is also different from what my mom remembers. I go by what she says because at the time of birth, she told me that nurses and doctors were busy cleaning me up, doing APGAR score etc... By the time they finally got to write things down, it was already a few minutes passed my real birth time.

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And in some cases being even just 5 minutes off can completely change your moon sign.