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Topic: Rising sign vs MC
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sarahhm
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posted August 14, 2017 12:02 PM
  
So I'm reading these description about the appearance of certain ascendants and how they dress and their mannerisms etcIt's the MC. I went out with friends and based on appearance and their fashion sense guessed each of their rising signs and after getting their information I found that what I guessed for their rising sign ended up being their MC ... 5 for 5. The Cancer/Leo cusp MC looks exactly like the stereotype! even the Scorpio MC looks gothic with the choker! Makes sense, MC is how we appear to the world. We see others through our Asc I think but we see other people's MC and they see our MC. We're analysing other's MC people! The two that are thinking of revamping their images and how they conduct themselves are having mercury retrograde over their MC too. IP: Logged |
Iridia
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posted August 14, 2017 12:51 PM
Thanks for sharing but I'm sticking to the Ascendant anyway  IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted August 14, 2017 01:05 PM
It makes more sense to me to make the Asc sign one's personality and the MC a sort of mask. When you go out and meet new people you throw your MC on, which makes people perceive you a certain way. Sometimes out in the world I will act a lot more expressive and outgoing than usual, thanks to Leo MC opposite Sun exact; makes me more fun than Scorpio Ascs normally would be. My Scorpio Asc makes sense as part of my personality and aura. Sun acts as the ego support bolstering the Asc ------------------
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sarahhm
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posted August 14, 2017 01:41 PM
This is another way of sussing out the ascendant! There's only about 3 options for each MCScorpio MC girl looked Scorpio but when what came out of her mouth was a lot of pro socialism talk ... Aquarius rising with interceptions. The one that looked like a Cancer/Leo, once he started talking .. Scorpio Asc just from how bleeding prying the questions were and how emo he got The two Virgo MC one had Sag rising, he plans to work somewhere else in the world and the other was Cap rising, wanted the security of the corporate ladder IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted August 14, 2017 02:58 PM
For me the two I understand in a different light.The Asc is the instinctive, raw , unedited , unprepared "you". The Midheaven is the cumulative version or "peak" you. Perhaps not raw, but perfected or atleast consistent. Notice how we judge the speaker(1st impression) before she makes a speech? It may be fleeting but the thought stays until she starts to speak. As soon as she is in the middle/near closing her speech, we most likely have changed our minds about her (Mc) When people see a physically attractive person, they have a positive impression of them(Venus). But as they get to know the person and their consistent behaviour becomes more evident, they can either do away with that 1st impression. Or their interaction with them, enhances it. Venus on the Asc- Wow. Check that guy out. Wowza! Venus on the Mc- Wow. You were so eloquent and inspiring in that presentation. Venus on Asc can't be helped. You are attractive just because you fit the agreed standards of what "attractive" is. You just look like you are a nice person. You just are sexy/beautiful. Its just "you" Venus on the Mc can be helped. You are the aspirational point of what being "attractive" entails. Not only necessarily physically. But other qualities match too. You have worked on social etiquacy and appropriate ways of coming across in a palatable fashion. Venus on Asc gives good 1st impressions. Venus on Mc gives good reputation IP: Logged |
Mystic Melody
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posted August 14, 2017 04:54 PM
Great topic. Love what Aries23 added as well.I am Cap AC and Scorp MC. When I attempt to look the way I think others want me to look, I dress professionally (Cappy) with a hint of my Libra sun style. When I dress up to go out in my personal realm I look rock n roll with a hint of goth (Scorp). This is also influenced with a Libra style. Whenever I believe it is "appropriate" (Cap), I get a little wild with my look due to Mars in Aquarius (still in the first house). IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 14, 2017 06:48 PM
The ASC is how you appear/function in your daily life. The MC is how you are seen by the larger society and in your career.I am a Libra Asc. I try to be very fair in everything I do, such as all business dealings and in my relationships. I like harmony and I compromise, so both people can win.
I am a Cancer Moon conj the MC. I show my heart through my career and it is easier to show my heart here than in my regular life.
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Astra
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posted August 14, 2017 07:57 PM
I have a capricorn ascendant and a libra midheaven. I'm very kind and fair to coworkers, but if someone crosses me, then I become vengeful. IP: Logged |
hearttreasure
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posted August 14, 2017 09:09 PM
So, if I have Virgo MC then I dress like a nun? 😂How would you describe/what are your guess the mannerisms/fashion sense of Virgo MC? IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted August 14, 2017 09:30 PM
The MC and Asc are not separate things, just as an arm is not separate from the body in spite of the different names to refer to them. We speak of them as if they are separate, but that is an effect of language, because of how we think and are taught to speak. The MC-Asc figure of any birth chart is a pseudo-liner definition delineating a relationship between a sky-direction from/to a particular global locality. Think of this line as being like an arm that bends at the elbow. There is never any forearm vs upper arm -- because they are two parts of the same arm that work in unison. My forearm might actually be stronger than my upper arm/shoulder, but that doesn't lead me to redefine which is more important, because my arm requires both parts to function. ------------------
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Kannon McAfee
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posted August 14, 2017 09:32 PM
Therefore the Virgo rising person whose Midheaven is in Gemini will function differently than the one whose MC is in Taurus or Cancer. The 'arm' has a different angle, a different flexibility, a different ability -- because the two parts work together.IP: Logged |
kewf1988
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posted August 15, 2017 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The ASC is how you appear/function in your daily life. The MC is how you are seen by the larger society and in your career.I am a Libra Asc. I try to be very fair in everything I do, such as all business dealings and in my relationships. I like harmony and I compromise, so both people can win.
I am a Cancer Moon conj the MC. I show my heart through my career and it is easier to show my heart here than in my regular life.
Hope that helps a little xxx
Yep. I'm very shy around new people, like Virgo is, but the Gemini MC, as well as my Sun in the 9th house points to all my blogging and pushing of political ideology theories in astrology. I've never acted like my MC in front of new people, ever. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 15, 2017 02:26 AM
What about the third house, and communication? I have had Pluto transiting there since 2008, and I can really tell a difference - not just in the way that I feel, and communicate, but in the way that others have treated me (that changed the way I communicate). More than one person saw my Leo MC, when I posted childhood pictures last year, in threads here and elsewhere. I then went through a period where my Scorpio ascendant would probably be seen as the cause of it: "you're so mysterious" was something I heard over and over, so I worked to change that. I joined in, where I would normally have stayed at the sidelines. I have Uranus conjunct ascendant, so that will show, as well. Mars in Pisces trine (and co-ruling). IP: Logged |
Mariamne Mara
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posted August 16, 2017 04:05 AM
Aquarius AC and Scorpio MC with Jupiter and Moon conjunct on it. I'm a Saggy Sun. First impression I give is a bit weird or shocking, but when people know me, they can pick a deep aura around me. When I go out I dress up in black clothes, I love black, and I spread an elegant an classy rock and roll appeareance to people. I think most compliments about my outfits have been said when I'm dressed in black or even in red (too Scorpio), with a sexy touch on myself. My eyes are a mix in between blue and green and they're the only thing I make up in my face. They're always complimented by people "oh!, how deep and beautiful are your eyes!". A Scorpio issue. To me AC is first impression and what society thinks about us is the MC. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted August 16, 2017 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by sarahhm:
So I'm reading these description about the appearance of certain ascendants and how they dress and their mannerisms etcIt's the MC. I went out with friends and based on appearance and their fashion sense guessed each of their rising signs and after getting their information I found that what I guessed for their rising sign ended up being their MC ... 5 for 5. The Cancer/Leo cusp MC looks exactly like the stereotype! even the Scorpio MC looks gothic with the choker! Makes sense, MC is how we appear to the world. We see others through our Asc I think but we see other people's MC and they see our MC. We're analysing other's MC people! The two that are thinking of revamping their images and how they conduct themselves are having mercury retrograde over their MC too.
very interesting! thanks for sharing I think the AC is how we know ourselves, also specific physical features, but the MC is how we would wanna appear when out in the public, so not necessarily how we dress at home for instance IP: Logged |
Mystic Melody
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posted August 16, 2017 09:30 AM
Mariamne, I loved hearing of your similar Scorpio MC taste in "going out" looks.  Rainy, I love this thought of yours: "but the MC is how we would wanna appear when out in the public" It seems so obvious but I don't think I ever fully put it together for myself. Thanks so much for starting this topic. On a related note... I've been researching the 10th house in relationship synastry lately so this adds a depth/dimension to what I am learning. I've read a couple different articles that talk about the 10th being the mature relationship house because it touches on your shared vision and goals together in the community/world. It reminds me of the Antoine de Saint-Exupery quote: "Love does not consist of gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." IP: Logged |
Mariamne Mara
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posted August 17, 2017 04:51 AM
What about when a person is speaking about anotherone that knows in a close way and the description could relate to the AC?What about when people don't know closely and they only are making a general statement about us they're making reference to our MC's? Sometimes the MC is general and the AC more personal to me. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 17, 2017 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Mariamne Mara:
What about when a person is speaking about anotherone that knows in a close way and the description could relate to the AC?What about when people don't know closely and they only are making a general statement about us they're making reference to our MC's? Sometimes the MC is general and the AC more personal to me.
The ASC is kind of a hard concept to get. It is kind of a first sight thing.
I see you. I get a sense of you. This would include your mannerisms and how you speak, move etc. Are you graceful, clumsy, well spoken and diplomatic, blunt etc. It takes time to feel out ASCs and then,one cannot, always, be sure either, my Friend. ------------------
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