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Topic: Negative Transits= Bad Results, Good Ones= No Results at all???
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Plut0nian2
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posted September 02, 2017 07:25 PM
  
As the title says I am wondering why I do not benefit from the positive for me transits.. I'll give some examples:
1. About 2 years ago I had Jupiter Return in my 2nd H (Leo).. not only Transit Jupiter conjucted natal Jupiter but it conjucted natal Venus and Mars also in my 2nd H. That period I tried extra hard to find not only a normal job but also possible internet "jobs".. I tried too much just because I knew of the Transit.. Well nothing happened and I did not earn money/food/material goods.
2.Transit Pluto entered my 7th H and conjucted natal Neptune and North Node.. Many people will never even experience this transit in their life.. The only thing that happened till now is that I feel generally depressed, kind of empty and I cry sometimes for no reason.. (considering the problems I had last 8 years being depressed is not something new but I do not cry easily)..
3. Transit Uranus and Saturn trined natal Venus, Mars and Jupiter and again nothing at all happened..
These are just some recent examples that I cleary remember right now. On the other hand
I can feel even the smallest hard aspect because the transit will have at least a moderate negative impact in my life if not a heavy one.. What makes me even more curious and "angry" is the fact that some people (6 to the number) that I check their transits, proggressives and solar returns for them they will benefit even from Transits like Sun/Venus/Mars.. It is kind of shocking to me because for my natal chart I don't even check those planets anymore because nothing ever happens when they form an aspect to my natal chart.. I believe it has to do with the natal chart.. Does this happen to anyone of you? Do you know why can this happen to some people and not others? What's your opinion?IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted September 03, 2017 12:34 AM
Could you link us to your chart. The one I found for you here in LL does not match your description of Jupiter/houses/sign.------------------
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Plut0nian2
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posted September 03, 2017 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Could you link us to your chart. The one I found for you here in LL does not match your description of Jupiter/houses/sign.
Hello! Yes of course
Here is my natal chart with current transits  IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted September 03, 2017 11:15 AM
Hmmm...are progressions just as colourless for you?On my end, am still trying to read my chart. Its not always clear. But aspects from natal to progressions are. Transits add to it but are not always the most definitive IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2
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posted September 03, 2017 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm...are progressions just as colourless for you?On my end, am still trying to read my chart. Its not always clear. But aspects from natal to progressions are. Transits add to it but are not always the most definitive
Yes most progressions feel colourless too..
For example I had progreessed Moon falling on my natal 7th H conjuncting natal Neptune and North Node, opposing natal Sun and then natal Mercury.. and abolutely nothing happened.. Same goes for progressed Moon opposing natal Jupiter and now natal Mars and Venus.
Now that I am thinking about it I feel like I said it wrong.. I feel no other transits except when it comes to Saturn.. Whatever Saturn touches in my chart gets so bad without no apparent reason.. I find it such a huge myth that Saturn rewards you because to me it feels like Saturn punishes me just to laugh at me.. just because he is an efing sadist..
And it does not even need to be in aspect with any natal planet.. just entering one of me natal houses is enough for whatever that house represents to go all wrong just beacause Saturn wants to play games like Jigsaw..
Sometimes wven when Saturn makes a nice aspect to a natal planet of mines even then something bad happens.. I pray something happens and Saturn disappears forever..
My natal Saturn is opposed by Progressed sun.. and although I didn't found many interpretations of this.. I read about the native judging harshly himself and feeling kind of useless. That is exactly how I feel.. And no matter how many times my mother and aunt tell me that I am not useless and that I have health problems which make me unable to make money I just don't care because I am tired of being sick with so many problems all these years.. In the end no matter the reason I am useless.. That is the truth for me..
Anyway I feel bad aspects ebut nothing good happens with the positive ones..
Sometimes in the past till 2010 that some good things were still happening to me it is more that they felt good in the beginning in order to make me feel worse then.. For example I had a good friend kind of soulmate.. I was so happy for about 3 years and then he died..
It is almost like whatever good happens to me is because it needs to make me feel pain in the end. The only really good things that happened in my whole life is I was helathy till my 18teen, my father that I ahd for many years but I still lost him too soon.. and that I have a home and food to eat. Whatever other friendships or love relationship@ (I've never been in a relationship or even intimate with someone) but whenever I fell for someone it always ended in a bad way.. I just always lose the most precious people I have. So I feel that there is a reason I need to be alone and that it is really good for me to not meet people other than typically.. I've lost too many and I lose them all at a very short period.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 03, 2017 05:35 PM
I think this is a good example of how transits and progressions need to be understood within full context. When there are significant outer planet transits moving more slowly through their aspects than the benefics like Jupiter, they color the windows of opportunity differently than if those longer, more challenging aspects were not there.What you mentioned in point #2 is a good example of that. During the last several years, Pluto has been opposite natal Sun, passed over your Asc / Uranus, and as you mentioned has applied conjunct natal N.Node as well as being conjunct/parallel natal Neptune (and Saturn parallel natal Neptune). That describes a period of change in which the world view and ideals (Neptune) is changing in order for your life direction (Node) to be changed. So it may simply be that your aim has been towards basic financial security, but not quite aligned with the truth of who you are and how to aim yourself moving forward. That's a simple summary for something I know is more complex. I have no doubt with that cluster of planets Jupiter-Mars-Venus in Leo that you have the drive and creativity it takes to create the life you want. It usually means activating those energies proactively rather than hoping more passively for things to come to us. That is not to denigrate your efforts at all, but to ask you to be sure you are making your efforts proactively in a direction that is true to your real gifts. You may discovery your true purpose and meaning over the next 2-3 years as Pluto slowly finishes its conjunction and parallel to natal N.Node. Be patient with yourself and know you are on your own timeline, not anyone else's. As to the idea that some experience little or no benefit from positive transits/progressions, but get hit hard with the negative ones ... that may seem true more during the types of longer outer planet transits like the Pluto factors we've mentioned -- But it need only be temporary. Pluto is not about 'trying harder', but about allowing change that transforms the outer/ego persona to be more in line with the deeper truth of who we are (soul). It takes time and belief in yourself, that you have a unique purpose in life, and that your efforts can have far-reaching positive effects on others. Know it! ------------------
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Plut0nian2
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posted September 03, 2017 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I think this is a good example of how transits and progressions need to be understood within full context. When there are significant outer planet transits moving more slowly through their aspects than the benefics like Jupiter, they color the windows of opportunity differently than if those longer, more challenging aspects were not there.
So you mean that when outer planets make hard aspects the positive ones from faster moving planets are kind of cancelled because the outer planets are more "powerfull" in comparison. It makes sense but what about Transit Saturn and Uranus making trines with natal Venus, Mars and Jupiter for example? Conjuctions oppositions and squares are consider bad aspects so the only strong positive aspect is trine.. quote:
What you mentioned in point #2 is a good example of that. During the last several years, Pluto has been opposite natal Sun, passed over your Asc / Uranus, and as you mentioned has applied conjunct natal N.Node as well as being conjunct/parallel natal Neptune (and Saturn parallel natal Neptune). That describes a period of change in which the world view and ideals (Neptune) is changing in order for your life direction (Node) to be changed.
About my world view and ideals.. Hmmm.. well the biggest change is that I was very sensitive to others problems even if they were not serious ones. I really felt sad.. not just typically sad if you know what I mean.. And I always helped others in everyway that I could especially psychologically.. After my father's and my best friend's death I stopped caring (except for my mom and an aunt of mine which are the only ones I care about) I really don't give a ****.. I kind of became tired because I was always there for everyone in need.. and then I just felt that I was the stupid one because I've never asked for help and I didn't need it.. why should I help others when I do not benefit from it? I just lost time and took all the negative energy that was harmful for me..
I stopped caring about other's pain and my pain too.. Being in pain is a daily thing those last years..
I also understood that close relationship are not worth it for me, they always bring too much pain. I maybe happy for a year and then suffer for 5 years.. I lose..
I think that is the reason I enjoy my loneliness, I always wanted to live alone for the rest of my life.. So yes I changed indeed.. for the worst though..
I don't care anymore for others.. I don't expect anything good from my life, because the only good thing that could happen is become healthy and wealthy.. But I don't see any coming.. I also became money hungry since an early age and it is getting worse and worse.. I don't care anymore how dirty is the way someone makes money.. I just admire them from the bottom of my heart for finding a way to make it..
Unfortunately I have very strong sense of ethics and justice so I can not do it the dirty way.. and that is exactly the reason I will never be able to have an economically comfortable life..
I am wondering if what you said in your 1st paragraph applies in this case to my natal Jupiter..
Natal Jupiter in 2nd H indicates a good economically life, but because Pluto squares it and Saturn opposes it, Jupiter "loses" his power..
The only good thing I ever saw in my chart was that Jupiter in the 2nd H.. but I do not have the life that Jupiter in 2nd indicates.. Saturn in 8th H also shows that I won't ever gain anything from others and it is soo true.. the only exception being my parents.. especially my father..
Generally though even when I worked for a short period I had one of the lowest possible payments.. Anyway I guess the only good thing I saw in my chart is like it doesn't exist at all.. quote:
So it may simply be that your aim has been towards basic financial security, but not quite aligned with the truth of who you are and how to aim yourself moving forward. That's a simple summary for something I know is more complex.
I have no doubt with that cluster of planets Jupiter-Mars-Venus in Leo that you have the drive and creativity it takes to create the life you want. It usually means activating those energies [b]proactively rather than hoping more passively for things to come to us. That is not to denigrate your efforts at all, but to ask you to be sure you are making your efforts proactively in a direction that is true to your real gifts. [/B]
I don't really think I have any real gifts, even if I have they are not good enough. And you are right.. I am obviously doing something completely wrong and I can not find what it is.. that can mean only 2 things.. I am either useless or stupid. quote:
You may discovery your true purpose and meaning over the next 2-3 years as Pluto slowly finishes its conjunction and parallel to natal N.Node. Be patient with yourself and know you are on your own timeline, not anyone else's.
Patient is needed but I don't have any left to be honest. I was never a patient person to begin with.. no matter how much I try.. I am on my own timeline but if it wazn't for my mother I would have died from starvation.. That is a shame considering my age.. I am late for many things.. but the only one I care for is money.. quote:
As to the idea that some experience little or no benefit from positive transits/progressions, but get hit hard with the negative ones ... that may seem true more during the types of longer outer planet transits like the Pluto factors we've mentioned -- But it need only be temporary. Pluto is not about 'trying harder', but about allowing change that transforms the outer/ego persona to be more in line with the deeper truth of who we are (soul).
It takes time and belief in yourself, that you have a unique purpose in life, and that your efforts can have far-reaching positive effects on others. Know it!
It's true I don't believe nor trust myself anymore.. although I wasn't like that some years ago.. I lose trust when I don't see practical results.
I wish I could find that purpose but I fail to do so.. Even when I see my natal chart I do not see anything good that could bring real results.. My natal chart feels pointless.. like it has no story to tell.. I see other natal charts and I feel like I can really see something..
The only thing that my natal chart is screaming is that I need to be really lonely which is true, I had some high hopes for Jupiter but I am wondering if I was born some minutes earlier and my natal Jupiter falls in the 1st house.. I can not find another explanation.. I do not see anything else.. Especially the houses.. I think I couldn't do worse to be honest..
Chiron in the 1st, Pluto in 5th, Uranus in 6t conjuctin 7th H, Neptune in 7th H, 7th H cusp in Capricorn, Saturn in 8th, Moon in Pisces in 9th H and Sun in 12th H opposite Uranus.. I mean Even Mars and Venus that are in my 2nd House do not bring anything good. Anyway I'll stop because this is huge. Thank you very very much for responding me  IP: Logged | |
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