posted September 09, 2017 02:34 AM            

I've always noticed in astrology that the interpretation for compatibility, aspects, placements, configurations - anything - seems to be dependent on if the reader is a man or woman. I can understand the need for "masculine" and "feminine" signs and traits because they can describe anyone, and we all know they're truly describing "assertive" versus "accomodating."

So, my question is, does anybody know what the reason for double interpretations for men and women now? I mean, it's the 21st century. I feel like we all can see past the gender stereotypes now. Is there a legitimate reason for saying that a Virgo moon man is different from a Virgo moon woman? Or is it just a stupid tradition I can continue to ignore?

Additionally, how does astrology handle transgender people or really any of the LGBTQ+ community? I don't want a flame war in the comments about it. I just want to know if interpretations differ based on those factors that deviate from the majority.

posted September 09, 2017 09:47 AM            

Linda Goodman gives advice on how to raise children based on their sun sign (and considering other placements) in order to bring out their best and help counter their weak points. I'd find the belief odd that the stars determine how someone will be turn out regardless if that person were raised as an orphan on the cruel streets rather than a loving home with many opportunities (like say singing lessons, gymnastics, etc) taken for granted. They can still manifest their natal chart either way, just in different ways.

And this applies to gender in that however you're born, society is going to treat you a certain way, as will your mother, father, relatives, peers, church, school, and media and toys aimed at you (even if parents or school doesn't particularly do so, the other factors, and more I haven't listed, still will). Sometimes its overt, but a lot of it is more subtle and suggestive, invisible like air but constantly all around you. Everything from expectations to etiquette and dress codes becomes different (for myself, I got in trouble when I stained or ripped a dress which affected my behavior while wearing one as just one simple example, which gives subtle training on how to see myself and my place in the world), as is how puberty is personally and socially.

If you, as an adult, personally morphed overnight into the opposite gender, you still couldn't really understand that other gender (and there's a good chance you'd be like a fish out of water) because of how different it is, and the nuances would surely be about impossible to understand. I read the account of a transsexual who took classes on how to be a woman and she was still shocked by the differences and had a lot of adapting to do over the years--and of course she'd never understand menstruation, but she'd know things about male puberty and the nuances of masculinity that many to most women couldn't fully grasp even when they try.

And as for astrology, it is potential that reacts with the environment. Males and females typically have different environments, even if say it's for fraternal twins where one is male and the other female. Not saying it's right or wrong, it's just the way it is. Nor am I saying there aren't exceptional circumstances that change that somewhat. But simply saying "it's the 21st century now, we need to get over that" isn't going to reshape people from that. (Though I am noticing changes in the new generation of boys and girls and can identify factors for that that aren't necessarily directly reflected in their natal charts, and that trend may continue--very, very slowly from a human perspective.)

And just to be clear, because many get confused on this point, sexual orientation is not a gender issue. A man can feminine and even a crossdresser but identify as a male and be completely heterosexual (and I'd read a chart for a man like that, btw, which seemed accurate enough). A woman can be athletic, independent, and boldly assertive with short hair and nails eschewing makeup, but also straight. In my experience, most gay men are like straight men beyond their orientation (and I would thus read them as men), though of course those who stand out by deviating from the norm are the most likely to be identified by outsiders (and straight men who also deviate from the norm in similar ways can be mistaken for gay when they're not, which adds to the illusion that most gay men are that way). As a general rule, I was inclined to read by gender regardless of orientation, though romantic attraction might require a bit of adjusting, and very generally speaking, the sexual and social conditioning of males and females as they grow up tend to change the dating scene for gay men and women alike which can be an important nuance which might be important when considering things like synastry charts.

posted September 09, 2017 04:26 PM            

Women show a base of lunar/venusian coloration to how they express astrological potentials. Again, hormonal balance biologically affects this.

This is not to ignore that there are many people (like myself) who don't fit the typical mold or expectations for males or females, and those who are far more gender fluid. In my readings I try to treat everyone as an individual rather than come at them with preset notions, but astrologers have learned by experienced men are far more aggressive with solar, martial, pluto, even jupiter energies than females, leading with more of what we'd call ego, etc.

And yes, there is a difference in the brains between genders, acknowledging of course that some people may be a bit in-between or fluid. That gender identity and brain function may not match the person's gonads (or how they're categorized). A person's gonads are none of my business, so I approach someone best I can based on how they describe themselves.

However, there is an important factor in the dominant astrological principles in the person's chart that also colors interpretation of specifics. If a man's chart is strongly Venusian/Lunar/Neptunian, you wouldn't expect him to fit the typical male aggressive mold. Similarly with women, if the chart is strongly Sun/Mars/Jupiter/Pluto this can affect interpretation of all potential energies.

It is about chart synthesis overall.

posted September 09, 2017 05:19 PM            

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So, my question is, does anybody know what the reason for double interpretations for men and women now?

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Additionally, how does astrology handle transgender people or really any of the LGBTQ+ community?

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And yes, there is a difference in the brains between genders. ..

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Borders on the sexist. Most studies nowadays have proven the opposite. In general there are more similarities than differences (if any) and the only differences are on an anatomical level.

posted September 10, 2017 08:20 AM            

Besides that most of the gender confusion we see today is caused by pesticides, birth control pills, estrogen mimickers and toxins thrown into our water supply from our factories. These wreck havoc on the endocrine system, especially as a developing fetus..

posted September 10, 2017 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
But simply saying "it's the 21st century now, we need to get over that" isn't going to reshape people from that. (Though I am noticing changes in the new generation of boys and girls and can identify factors for that that aren't necessarily directly reflected in their natal charts, and that trend may continue--very, very slowly from a human perspective.)

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I know we're not going to reshape gender norms by saying we need to get over that. I was trying to say that we all know by this point to ignore the gender stereotypes. Women aren't "more emotional" and men aren't "silent and strong." That doesn't make gender roles go away by any means, but I do think we can look beyond that when studying astrology. Obviously, astrology was created a long time ago, and there haven't been many recent updates and that includes previous misconceptions about gender. I'm saying we should be able to look past the outdated misconceptions.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

As a general rule, I was inclined to read by gender regardless of orientation, though romantic attraction might require a bit of adjusting, and very generally speaking, the sexual and social conditioning of males and females as they grow up tend to change the dating scene for gay men and women alike which can be an important nuance which might be important when considering things like synastry charts.

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Yeah, you're right. It's extremely different. The dating scene for gay men is hypersexualized beyond belief. You'll find that most gay guys are hooking up more than dating, and most of the ones that are dating have open relationships anyways. It's a completely different culture. I can't speak for the dating scene of gay women though.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

It isn't about gender stereotypes. Men in general show a base level of solar/martial coloration to how they express all astrological factors. This could be understood as how astrological energies are primed with androgens in them biologically.

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Are men shown to have a base level of solar/martial coloration because that's natural and genetic, or because society teaches men to be assertive? Do women show a base venusian/lunar coloration because it's how they're born or because society teaches women to be accommodating and considerate of others? The more we research it, the more it seems like both.
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161011-do-men-and-women-really-have-different-personalities

Realistically, even though we have small differences between genders, I don't believe that influences our astrological potential to the point where there needs to be a different method of reading based on gender. This is in response to the way most astrologers handle things, not particularly you as you said you already approach people individually.

Additionally, astrology is not something that's biological. Astrological energies don't interact with the hormones like other hormones do or like nervous system signals. Astrological energies are a function of the soul. The path astrology takes to create physical change is through your conscience.
Soul -> Brain -> Electric potential -> Hormones/reaction/etc.

You're right; it is about chart synthesis overall. I don't believe it's correct to synthesize charts differently based on gender though. It's such a small difference.

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Originally posted by Lion-l:

Besides that most of the gender confusion we see today is caused by pesticides, birth control pills, estrogen mimickers and toxins thrown into our water supply from our factories. These wreck havoc on the endocrine system, especially as a developing fetus.

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Can you provide reliable sources for that claim? Additionally, the concept of gender fluidity, androgyny, and everything in between has been around for much longer than pesticides, birth control pills, or factories.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/30/third-gender-a-short-history/

This is an interesting article that points out the different karyotypes possible for humans.

https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/

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Originally posted by Choc:

it doesn't. They comfortably ignore them. Astrology is very hetero-normative still.

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Well.... yeah.... you're right. While astrology may be able to describe life events through transits and progressions, I just don't think it has a method for describing discrimination that any minority will face nor the micro-stressors that comes from being closeted. While I know charts only address potential and not every possible event, potentials are inherently changed by our innate characteristics.