posted September 12, 2017 09:39 PM            

I have a strong cardinal energy on my chart and I'm probably 80% conservative,a little more or less I don't know (I'm not really into labels) but lets say I give a lot of value to family and morals and some expressions of ART ain't ART for me...more like an insult/apology etc

posted September 12, 2017 10:25 PM            

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posted September 12, 2017 10:49 PM            

I'm into morals, but more from an ethical perspective, while it sounds to me like you mean morals in terms of sexual behavior (which is only incidental to ethics for me). And if by "family" you mean as a code phrase for "heterosexual only" then that's another way we strongly differ (though otherwise it's important to me as well).

I can be cynical to the art world and do think some artists just don't give a crap, but I don't see it as the government's place to decide what is art and what isn't...OTOH, I'm not particularly passionate about funding the arts in the first place, though I'm not particularly opposed to it. (And there was one art piece that I thought was just cheap porn trying to be edgy by incorporating some religious stuff and calling it art, but after I read the explanation I could see the point of it, the symbolic expression of the human condition and society. Though as that was funded by private grants rather than government, it's not an issue here, unless you think the government should be BANNING art, in which case I'm strongly opposed to that.)

Generally speaking I can be described as a fiscal conservative, though out of step with most others who call themselves fiscal conservatives as I'm not "just fund the police and military and use social darwinism on everyone else." And I'm more about getting rid of welfare for the rich (from corporate bailouts to buying new homes for the wealthy who keep building their homes where hurricanes keep wiping them out at taxpayer expense while most everyone else who loses a home in a safer place are SOL) than from those benefiting from the safety net, and that's another major difference between me and most who call themselves social conservatives who have the baffling tendency to not care anywhere as much about the rich getting welfare than say someone stuck in a wheelchair unable to support himself (and tend to suspect cynical reasons on why this is so). Though it's not so simple as "cut this, fund that." A lot of things could be done besides that, but it won't be, because a corrupt system serves those in charge.

As a US citizen, I'm for "shall issue" gun carrying permits (with no trickery like "must pay with Master Card" in an an attempt to keep the permits in the hands of certain people, which Texas does the last time I checked), but also with genuine background checks which can deny permits or even ownership to people based on objective reasons which can be challenged in court (waiting periods also don't bother me, though I can see how that could be bad for certain people in extraordinary circumstances), and I think the NRA is a fear mongering embarrassment to the 90%+ gun owners (such as myself) who are not a member.

I could go on, but I think I contrasted you enough despite my cardinal and Saturnian placements, and that I don't fit neatly into any label. I think my Saturnian placement does want a certain decorum in politics, which has been sadly missing for a long time, and gets worse (more Jerry Springer) every election cycle.

It's difficult to explain because too many people only allow for 2 categories (some will expand that to a 4 point axis), and the definitions and standards change with location and specific ideology/party. I've gotten where I don't even like using political terms because they're so compromised with double speak and loaded for or against that get the rank and file to see them very differently from everyone else, which makes it very difficult to communicate in a general sense...it's as frustrating to me as trying to communicate with people in a cult who have their own definitions for everything, and how they demonize those who don't share their peculiar definitions (only this would be like multiple cults, each with their own arbitrary definitions that they treat as official rather than made up to fit their ideology, and I know posting this is likely to trigger more than one such ideological cultist). This applies to about anyone who identifies too strongly with a specific party or movement, and not limited to the United States by any means.

I generally don't see astrology as doing much here directly. Of course if someone's chart promotes the defense of traditions raised with then that depends on the actual traditions, so if raised in a conservative family and area then that person will likely have conservative values, but different values in a different family and area.

posted September 12, 2017 10:50 PM            

One quick example.

I have nothing agains't homossexuals.I'm religious but if is sin or not is not my problem, I have my own sins to take care.I don't care if they marry,kiss in public but I'm not into the idea of unisex bathrooms."If you feel like a woman you gonna use a women's bathroom kind of thing" I'm absolutely agains't it.
Another point: I think society should help the ones who can't help themselves BUT that means extremelly poor people,I mean the ones who have absolutely no opportunity (Ps:not picking them based on their color).That is not equality to me! Plus giving them opportunity to grow.TEACHING THEM HOW TO FISH so to speak,so they can have a better life in the future.

posted September 12, 2017 11:44 PM            

Jupiter conjunct uranus exact in the 1H.

posted September 13, 2017 12:31 AM            

Alan Lin's theory is the best at finding political ideology that I've seen so far. Astrology is way more complex than "feminine signs are conservative, masculine signs are liberal". For example, one of my neighbors has Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Pisces, and Moon in Taurus (likely a feminine ascendant as well as he's very quiet and has penetrating eyes like Scorpio rising. He also has Pluto in Virgo), yet is quite liberal. With Lin's theory, he has strong left wing indicators economically and socially. All the earth in his chart does make him extremely introverted and good with tools.

posted September 13, 2017 12:35 AM            

My partner is an anarcho capitalist so very conservative and he is a libra sun conjunct saturn with moon in cancer but he also has uranus conjunct mars right on his DC angle hence he is NOT a republican but an anarcho capitalist.

posted September 13, 2017 02:11 AM            

I'm conservative in ways. I don't do drugs, or sleep around, for example. I barely drink alcohol. I'm strongly liberal politically. I think I'm slightly more mutable than anything, but I'm pretty balanced between the three.

posted September 13, 2017 02:19 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Half and half. I see issues with both sides. Mostly I take issue with hypocrisy with any view point, which you can probably blame on my Pluto in 9th house.

- Fixed ASC.
- Strong cardinal energy (stellium in Capricorn, another stellium in 7th house, Moon in 4th house).
- Mercury dominant, followed by Saturn dominant

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posted September 13, 2017 03:29 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
There isn't an alt-left. the alt-right coined that term for themselves, and their men's rights activists (misogynists), and then there are the nazis. They're off in their own dark corner, trying to mainstream.

I'm conservative in ways. I don't do drugs, or sleep around, for example. I barely drink alcohol. I'm strongly liberal politically. I think I'm slightly more mutable than anything, but I'm pretty balanced between the three.

Uranus also aspects a lot of my chart. I was a Nader fan in the past, and a Bernie fan last year - but very happy to vote for Hillary.

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MRA'S are not misogynists. They believe in equal rights.

posted September 13, 2017 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
MRA'S are not misogynists. They believe in equal rights.

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posted September 13, 2017 02:05 PM            

I'm a great example. I started out politically far right conservative because of my family upbringing and very narrow exposure to ideas. Now my political views fall in the bottom left corner of the political grid (as given at politicalcompass.org).

The birth chart tendencies are a starting place. Family upbringing, social position, region, etc has more influence on your politics.

The question is, are you open to growth by learning and listening to others who may be more informed than you?

posted September 13, 2017 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

The question is, are you open to growth by learning and listening to others who may be more informed than you?

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posted September 13, 2017 08:03 PM            

Mostly mutable energy and mostly fire.
Mutable Sun and cardinal Moon.

posted September 13, 2017 10:38 PM            

I grew up in a strictly conservative ruled province for a few decades and I always found myself opposite to what that is.... and now since my party got in I'm really disliking it and want the conservatives back because of many things.....

posted September 13, 2017 11:39 PM            

Grew up in a Liberal society, but I've seen extreme liberals push there ideals which are unrealistic. For example third wave or radical feminists. They have absolutely have no idea what women in the 60's and 70's went thought and use feminist as an excuse for there own convenience and are not interested in equality.

Similarly, I've seen some extreme conservatives that push there racial ideas.

So I'm very much a centrist. But I'm moving more right as I notice people in Canada are forgetting how the world is a Darwinian Process and some improvement is required in order to compete in the world.

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Originally posted by Sagical:
but after Trudeau got in it seems like I am kw in the middle... maybe I might like some conservative ideals....i don't know.... maybe I'm right in the middle and wanting to be independent.

I grew up in a strictly conservative ruled province for a few decades and I always found myself opposite to what that is.... and now since my party got in I'm really disliking it and want the conservatives back because of many things.....

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I'm moving more to the right as well. Liberal ideas were good for Canada for a time. But lets be honest some people have gotten too comfortable.

I know its not perfect, but most Canadians have there basic needs satisfied. Where else can you receive universal healthcare.

Plus I'm so glad I don't live in Ottawa on a permanent basis anymore. Living here you'll realize French-Canadians are a majority here and they use liberal polices for there own convenience ie Bilingualism.

Many would have liked to have learned Quebecois French but might not have had the means or access too. How is that fair to everyone else? It then only benefits them and excludes other people.

The impression most people have is Albertans are wannabe "Oil" Texans.

..and Torontonian's are smug wannabe New Yorkers.

posted September 13, 2017 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I have an almost balanced chart so I'm
generally a centrist.

Grew up in a Liberal society, but I've seen extreme liberals push there ideals which are unrealistic. For example third wave or radical feminists. They have absolutely have no idea what women in the 60's and 70's went thought and use feminist as an excuse for there own convenience and are not interested in equality.

Similarly, I've seen some extreme conservatives that push there racial ideas.

So I'm very much a centrist. But I'm moving more right as I notice people in Canada are forgetting how the world is a Darwinian Process and some improvement is required in order to compete in the world.

I'm moving more to the right as well. Liberal ideas were good for Canada for a time. But lets be honest some people have gotten too comfortable.

I know its not perfect, but most Canadians have there needs satisfied. Where else can you receive universal healthcare.

Plus I'm so glad I don't live in Ottawa on a permanent basis anymore. Living here you'll realize French-Canadians are a majority here and they use liberal polices for there convenience ie Bilingualism.

Many would have liked to have learned Quebecois French but might not have had the means or access too. How is that fair to everyone else?

Sorry about my comments earlier. The impression here is Albertans are wannabe Texans.

I've gotten the vibe from many Albertan's that Torontonian's are wannabe New Yorkers.

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Born and raised in Calgary, Alberta. Very conservative people there. I feel very uncomfortable there. I have been to only seven provinces and I can make any comments on Ontario or Québec because I have not visited these provinces to get a feel for them really.

Though I'm in Saskatoon now and it's been good. The mayor seems to be a Liberal type and the province is run by conservatives....

Growing up in school, elementary school, to be precise is we had to take French from grade four to six. The grades higher up it was an option if one wanted to go further. (I ended up taking German in High school for three years and two and the German Canadian club).

posted September 14, 2017 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Sagical:
Born and raised in Calgary, Alberta. Very conservative people there. I feel very uncomfortable there. I have been to only seven provinces and I can make any comments on Ontario or Québec because I have not visited these provinces to get a feel for them really.

Though I'm in Saskatoon now and it's been good. The mayor seems to be a Liberal type and the province is run by conservatives....

Growing up in school, elementary school, to be precise is we had to take French from grade four to six. The grades higher up it was an option if one wanted to go further. (I ended up taking German in High school for three years and two and the German Canadian club).

Now I need to go Google Centrist now..... sounds intriguing.

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I actually like Saskatoon and Saskatchewan its has seen some recent economic improvement, but in a more humble way.

I think of former Dragons Den, Brett Wilson when I think of Saskatchewan.

He is very humble, smart, mathematically gifted and hasn't forgotten his routes. He also gave the most money. He really didn't care if he made any money on any of the deals since he already made enough money.

Its mandatory here to take French up to First Year of High School (Gr. 9).

So, I guess I can say I received more French school then you did, but I still think its inadequate.

I can hold basic conversations, but thats it.

Places were a French policy holds only French-Canadians bennift.