posted September 13, 2017 12:04 AM            

I'm about to start a Progressed Venus squ Saturn... and I want to hear some people's experiences with this...

along with this I have tons of relationship aspects coming up but I'm worried this is going to trump them all... especially since I'm turning 39 in Dec and never been married (I haven't been in a relationship since 2007 since Tr Pluto entered my 7th!).

posted September 13, 2017 02:14 PM            

The orb to use is about 0°05', which typically means it will last a couple months or so.

Don't worry that it will override positive indicators that you've got for relationships. It can mean more serious consideration of relationship issues, what it takes, what values make or break one. It can mean some tension between outward beauty/attraction (Venus) and your personal standards (Saturn), but don't assume this means a bad outcome. Such an experience may expose biases and persuade you to loosen up and warm up.

The influence may be prolonged (about doubled in time period) if your natal and progressed Saturn positions are different. They probably were, so expect a couple phases of this aspect -- but those could be years apart.

Can't really say more unless you link us to your chart. Others' personal experiences,
especially their outcomes won't necessarily apply to you. Natal chart context is important.

Venus and Saturn relate to development of lasting values, but don't necessarily break relationships or prevent them. They test them or test your willingness to bend, be responsive, respect them while remaining willing.

posted September 13, 2017 03:32 PM            

Let me see if I can get this to work... it's been so long since I have posted a photo into the form...

But, I don't use just the "0.05" orb with progressions... I use 1 degree orb just from past experience, which I'll explain below"

I'm going through a rough time... I'm about to have brain surgery and my support group just disappeared on me when they promised they wouldn't... (my mental therapist "released" me from therapy saying I don't need it anymore when I do, and my best male friend told me he doesn't want to be in my life anymore and I don't know why (when 2 weeks ago he told me he was going to take time off during my surgery so he can visit/stay in the hospital with me)... I don't have anybody else)...

I knew something was going to happened when my progressed Moon left my 4th but I was hopping it wasn't this (I lost my grandma when my prog Moon left Cancer). I am living with my parents right now but they are not nurturing/supportive the way I need... it's like we are roommates that just deal with each other. (they both have their Saturn opposite of my Moon).

Anyway, I have been feeling unlovable/unworthy since my Prog Moon went into my 4th house/Tr Saturn entered Sag (lost some other close friends that have been in my life for 16-20 years)...

I don't know how it can get worst with the Prog Venus squ Saturn when I already feel bad (it's 1 degree applying now to my Pr Saturn)... especially with Tr Saturn about to enter my 7th, and my Progress Moon in Libra/5th house)... I hope it was going to be positive since I haven't been in a relationship since 2007 when Tr Pluto went into my 7th (I saw my ex fiance have sex with another woman 4 hours after he asked me to marry him... at my surprise birthday party he threw...)

I was thinking back to when Pr Merc was square my Saturn... It was around the time I started HS and I got my act together with my studies (I ended up being 5th in my class where before they though I was just going to be the "C" type student). And then when I had Pr ASC and SA ASC squ Pluto (which was two different time periods) both were a huge time of transition, which was a couple years and not just a couple months... (one transitioning from HS to College/being a young adult, college auditions, moving away from home, being on my own... and the other transitioning from not being a musician/that lifestyle anymore to adjusting to not having that in my life anymore, which took years)...

Is there any chance I could start getting in good shape with this aspect (since it's in the 6th house, and Saturn rules my 8th?) Since my Progressed Moon has been in Libra I have lost 50 lbs... or maybe getting my finances in order? (I'm in financial ruins from all the medical stuff and I can't file bankruptcy b/c it's student loans.. I haven't worked since 2010 b/c of below health issues).

But, nevertheless, I have a lot of changes coming up (looking at the Prog Sun and Mars going into Aqua too with everything)... I'll probably have my Brain surgery around the time Tr Saturn is conj my Mars (with physical restrictions...) but, if it goes well, it will be the first time in my life I have felt normal (my brain has been herniating out of my skull since birth and they are doing a decompression surgery... they just caught for the first time in my life (been complaining all my life) when Tr Saturn was conj my Sun/in the 6th beginning of the year). Tr Saturn in my 6th has been nothing but health stuff... starting with Physical therapy for my hip when Tr Saturn started my 6th and transitioning into the brain issue (and them saying the reasons why I was having issues with my hip- I went off and on since 2009 not being able to walk- when my Prog Moon went into my 1st house) b/c it was trying to adjust the balance issues I was having with my brain/brainstem being squeezed).

Sorry, that's a lot of info. lol.

here is my Progressions/natal...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/onNWTVxu6sZ03bDk1

Prog/natal/transits for now...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bOeKRZxL4hXajHmr2

Here is SA/prog just in case... https://photos.app.goo.gl/Gfj4wzkYnpehrh3t1

I was trying to post the photo into the thread but I can't figure out how to do it...

But, I have other stuff going on too with the pVen squ Saturn...
pMC opp Pluto,
Pr Sun and Mars going into Aqua with them inconj my ASC
Pr Merc (ruler of my ASC/IC) squ Pluto (which he is moving really fast and will be in the 1 degree orb next year)
Prog Moon in Libra/5th conj Pluto (this is my second guess for my brain surgery)

SR going on now, just finished or coming up soon...
Just finished SA Ven = Sun (I met above friend I was talking about when this started applying, Jun 2016)
SA ASC = JUP (7HR)
SA Mars = JUP
SA Moon = ASC
SA Moon = Mars
SA ASC = Ven
SA Mars = Ven
SA Jup (7HR) = Sun
SA Uran = ASC
SA Uran = Mars

That's without transits... so, a lot is going on...

posted September 14, 2017 01:28 AM            

With your concern about your health and the upcoming surgery, I understand you'd like some perspective on things, but your above post was so all over the place that I will satisfy your curiosity about progressions with only the 4 aspects that are most relevant.

Prog Sun is applying to exact conjunction with prog Mars. This will begin in a bit over a month. This is an energizing aspect that promotes the desire to take charge, to put important desires in motion as actions.

Time for a new project, a new venture, a renewed energies for an old effort that has lagged. Your ego and confidence are high, so use them to personal benefit. Focus on what is most important to You.

The only physical risk here is in feeding an inflammation or infection. So take care that such 'hot' elements don't get out of control. With these in Capricorn, look to possible natural, elemental (mineral-based) tools or remedies for something you may have overlooked. These are more likely to develop if your system is over-heated with stress, so avoid arguments or ego-based conflicts that are not productive. If you have decided what is best for you, then do it and don't bother with the aggravation of those who are not supportive.

Staying calm and effective is about focusing your efforts and intentions now, taking charge of what is yours to manage.

Prog Neptune applies within 0°06' of exact conjunction to your natal Sun. This is a far slower, more profound progressed aspect. It will be fully active before the year is over. It will be a primary influence in your chart for 2-3 years (along with another listed below).

Neptune colors your perspective in a way that may not allow for as much clarity of conscious thought as you'd like. It favors creative thought, dreaming, subconscious processing, and deeper states of hypnosis or meditation (alpha to delta states).

This means allowing your vital energies to shrink into more a feeling awareness than what feels normal for you.

Neptune conjunct natal Sun will assist you in going beyond ego consciousness, but may feel like your vital energies are being temporarily weakened, or that anxiety is taking over. That is only true to the extent you are unable to relax, trust, and imagine the good that awaits on the other side of your challenges.

You might consider downloading this very effective audio track to help you get there:
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It allows for the realization of larger, higher ideals, especially with Neptune as co-significator of the sign it and Sun are in, Sagittarius. This is an appointment with destiny for you. This is a time in which 'dreams can come true' can have real life meaning for you. Dream big and expect even the unimaginable.

This is an example of how to read progressions by looking first at an aspectarian that has orbs greatly reduced so that only those presently closest to culmination show up and get your attention. Those aspects that have progressed closest to culmination at any given time are the strongest influence then.

In the declinations I also see two aspects that are near culmination and very much active now.

Prog Venus 18S43 is parallel natal Mercury [18S45]. This is an influence for pleasant, thoughtful, creative communication that you can capitalize on now. Take time to say the kind words to loved ones and friends that you'd like others to say to you. Express your love freely (Sagittarius) so there is no doubt with those who care about you or may have forgotten you.

Write to someone who hasn't heard from you for a while. Consider a persuasive appeal, even write it out first and communicate it to a crucial person who could lend support or valuable advice. Consider it an opportunity to renegotiate any terms of any agreement or contract that are not to your liking. Venus is a benefic, so allow it to increase your kindness and consideration in how you communicate. If turned down at first, ask again. It will pay off.

Prog Saturn 8N19.7' is applying parallel natal Pluto [9N16]. This is an aspect of serious challenges in which limits on personal power must be temporarily accepted in order to build deeper strength. Personal resources will be more limited and you'll have to focus them more efficiently on what are your real priorities. The deeper structures of your life (or body) are changing now, but the process will be gradual. It will allow for a good outcome if you make use of this time with practical preparations (Saturn in Virgo) towards a result that will allow you improved footing in relation to others (Pluto in Libra). This is an aspect of endings, of resolution to old problems that will allow for a new life structure to be built.

Focus your attention and consider your plans deeply. Take practical measures and make appropriate preparations. Give it your full attention and you increase your confidence and succeed.

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Normally this type of reading would be left for the Personal Readings sub-forum, but I think the approach could be instructive for other readers. So I'll leave it here.

posted September 17, 2017 08:40 PM            

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Anyway, thank you for the info that was given, and Im sorry if it seemed like I was asking for a reading, but I was just trying to find more info about Saturn-Venus type energy. I was concerned with it b/c Tr Saturn will be going into my 7th in Dec, and along with my Prog Moon in Libra/5th house... knowing that the Prog Venus squ Saturn was going to come into play during this time (which I see this as a theme...)

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I can feel the pMars conj pSun energy... it's played out differently than what you have said... I wish it was playing out like the way you have said. Over, probably the last 10-12 years, I have been growing more resentment/anger (and feeling repressed) towards men who treat me unfair/bully me/abuse in many different forms (usually the men closest to me)... and they expect me to just take it. As this energy has built I have slowly started taking a stand for myself but it's caused even more issues... (which fits with Prog Sun conj Prog Mars traveling through the 8th house).

For example, (this example is light in comparison to some of my other examples) my best friend that I was talking about above (which is a lot younger than me, 25, and I'm 38)... he just abandoned me b/c I kept calling him out for not treating me right and it escalated into a big fight... him saying if I would just do what he wanted he wouldn't be mean/cold/condescending/use my weaknesses against me... He's not like this to anybody else (that I can tell). And I told him I rather be alone if he can't treat me right (which he left).

I already feel horrible about myself, and have been isolated/in therapy most of the last 10 years (something my ex fiance put me through), and I finally allow someone in and this is what happens... I haven't allowed someone close since the crap fest of 2013/2014 happened... I was being verbally abused/threatened/stalked summer of 2013, which I moved out to Colorado to get away from. Then, I was being physically bullied by a roommate in Colorado (landed me in the hospital for 2 weeks), moved out, then I was being bullied by the next roommate, but at a low grade. He stopped when I called him out on it but I was exhausted so I just decided to move home... and then a couple more horrible situations happened in May -Sept 2014.

I'm constantly being bullied and abused by the men closest to me... and seeing all this Saturn-Venus-Libra-5th/8th house stuff scares me.

I was in a horrible situation with my ex fiance back in Dec 2007 (and he was abusive/bullying me since 2000)... which I ended up moving across the country to get away from him in Dec 2007 when it escalated... (which I haven't been in a relationship since then b/c I feel like I don't deserve to be loved/treated right. And the last couple years, when a guy has been interested in me, and I see the red flags pop up within a couple weeks of knowing a him, I remove myself but that seems to trigger them to stalk/bully me (sometimes until I have to get a restraining order).

I'm lost b/c it seems like when I do the right thing it makes thing worst...

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Anyway, nothing happened when Pr Uranus was exact opposite of my Moon... (I went back and looked).

If anything happens with Pr Neptune conj my Sun... it will probably been medical related (since it seems anything that happens in my 6th house is medical related)... I hope it's just not point towards complications to my brain surgery, since my sun rules the 3rd house.

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Anyway, about how to read progressions, I guess I just see them differently. I see how they they play into my life... as in how they build and release... usually seeing what that progression is going to be about when it's about 1.30 applying... Like, I started a photography degree when my Prog Venus was at 6.27 Sag (my MC is at 6.36 Pisces, and Merc at 6.36 Sag)...but I bought my first camera and start playing with it when my Prog Venus was at 1.43 applying to the Merc/MC.

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That's neat about the declinations... I have never really followed them... but, the Prog Venus parallel Merc is causing me issues...(I'm guessing it's an issue)... I'm usually an expressive person, usually don't have issues telling people I love them/miss them... and above best friend was always trying to repress/stop me expressing any feelings...

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But, I'm confused about the Prog Saturn applying parallel to natal Pluto... I see it separating...

Right now pSaturn is: 8N19.45 (with nPluto at 8N16N)
And a year from now pSaturn is: 8N21

Which this would of been exact in 2014... which, end of 2013 and all of 2014 was an extremely painful for me. (I don't know what the orb is on declinations). End of 2013 was when I was physically abused by roommate, which landing me in the hospital for 2 weeks (and the friends that said they were going to help me get out of that situation disappeared)... so, I had to jump into another situation fast, which that turned into not being healthy. One of the roommates was bullying me, but he did back off, but I ended up moving home and isolating myself. Then my ex (from 2007) came back into my life and caused a lot of hell and no matter what I did I felt trapped and I couldn't get away.. which lead to me isolating myself/removing myself from all social media and friends for all of 2015. (with my Prog Moon going into the 4th house... and the start of this was Tr Saturn opp Moon and then Tr Saturn going into Sag... it was hell for me).

I just looked, this became exact Sept 2014 and that's when everything escalated with my ex (ex from 2007) but it wasn't anywhere as painful/scary as to what happened end of 2013... it just added onto the damage and pushed me over the edge of to the point I isolated myself/cut myself off from everything (which that exactly happened when my Prog Moon was conj my IC).

Ok, well, I rambled enough. lol. Sorry. lol.

posted September 17, 2017 09:47 PM            

The orbs I use for progressions are not based on following one chart, but on hundreds of charts from my clients and in-depth research. Often a progressed parallel (or contra-parallel) is the active aspect near culmination and experiences are misattributed to a conjunction (or opposition), because few astrologers check the declinations, thus leading to a stretching of orbs in progressed charts. This can also happen in a narrower area of of fixed signs when squares are involved there.

posted September 18, 2017 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
My mistake. You're right that your prog Saturn is separating from exact parallel to natal Pluto. You'll get a bit of a break from it before it is within range of parallel to prog Pluto.

The orbs I use for progressions are not based on following one chart, but on hundreds of charts from my clients and in-depth research. Often a progressed parallel (or contra-parallel) is the active aspect near culmination and experiences are misattributed to a conjunction (or opposition), because few astrologers check the declinations, thus leading to a stretching of orbs in progressed charts. This can also happen in a narrower area of of fixed signs when squares are involved there.

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I'm not really sure about parallels... b/c I have this (the Saturn-Pluto parallel) in my natal... with only 16 mins separating. I have two friends in my life that are born on the same day as me; we are only hours a part, and they aren't having the issues I'm having... which I would assume they would have some themes coming up that relate to what I'm going though pertaining to this Saturn/Pluto parallel...

posted September 18, 2017 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by racole12:
I'm not really sure about parallels...

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You've just discovered them. Study them longer. I've been studying declinations nearly two decades.

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... I have two friends in my life that are born on the same day as me; we are only hours a part, and they aren't having the issues I'm having... which I would assume they would have some themes coming up that relate to what I'm going though pertaining to this Saturn/Pluto parallel...

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Of course not. Their charts will have different rulerships. Saturn + Pluto does not equate to the specifics of your health situation, but to the general principles that I described above in interpretation. Consult a good guide like Robert Hand's Planets in Transit. Look at his interpretations of conjunctions for insights into parallels, to interpretations of oppositions for insights into contra-parallels.

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EDIT: I just looked and I have pVenus contra-parallel Jupiter exact in Jan 2017... nothing that I can relate to Venus/Jupiter happening months before or after the exactness... except a couple doctor's appts...

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I've had similar experiences, because no particular astrological factor forces events into being. They are just windows of opportunity we can make use of or not. A lot can depend on what longer-term aspects are setting the context.

A clear example: my wife married me during the period her progressed Venus was exactly parallel her natal DC (orb=0°00'). My prog Sun was with just minutes of arc of exact parallel my natal MC. I could give you literally hundreds of examples.

Parallels and Contra-parallels are marked in the astrodienst tables for a reason. They are both major aspects: conjunctions and oppositions of declination.

Like many of us, you've been informed by an astrology of flat wheel charts (astrological survey) that pretends as if the sky is some version of flat. It is the Sun's path (ecliptic) in its north and south movements that defines the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn marked on our globes and which sets the extremes of declination, 23°27'.

posted September 22, 2017 03:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Are the orbs for progressions really that small? That makes sense actually because looking at a progressed chart with regular orbs would drag every aspect out extremely long....I was wondering because I have progressed Venus opposite Saturn and will have it until 2025, according to regular orbs...hmm!

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What orb are you giving it...? Did you prog Venus just go into R Retro or just coming out of it?

posted September 22, 2017 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Are the orbs for progressions really that small?

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Yes. The principle at work is that the progressed aspects that are the most active at any time are those at or closest to culmination. That eliminates a huge portion of aspects, often dozens that would otherwise show within 1-2° as astrologers often use.

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That makes sense actually because looking at a progressed chart with regular orbs would drag every aspect out extremely long....I was wondering because I have progressed Venus opposite Saturn and will have it until 2025, according to regular orbs...hmm!

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That aspect is definitely not active that long unless Venus is Rx or at station, keeping it within 0°05'.

This is also a rectification factor. If you have such an aspect definitely showing up in your life (after you've check the entire progressed aspectarian including declinations and the transits for other explanations), and the aspect orb is say 06'or more, then you've got an inaccurate Asc (which most often needs to be turned back). But I never make such judgements based on only one such event/aspect.

Progressions are phantoms. They are transits long over with that operate only very, very tightly later as progressed aspects.

The Luminaries can be given more latitude in terms of making active aspects: Sun and Moon 15' arc due to the width of their apparent disc only. However, you'll never see those orbs being synchronous alone in progressions with out other aspects present during the time events unfold. Unless there is a planetary transit (usually an outer planet) at/near culmination to a natal point, there will be other planets making progressed aspects within 0°04' of exact.

posted September 25, 2017 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
That aspect is definitely not active that long unless Venus is Rx or at station, keeping it within 0°05'.

This is also a rectification factor. If you have such an aspect definitely showing up in your life (after you've check the entire progressed aspectarian including declinations and the transits for other explanations), and the aspect orb is say 06'or more, then you've got an inaccurate Asc (which most often needs to be turned back). But I never make such judgements based on only one such event/aspect.

Progressions are phantoms. They are transits long over with that operate only very, very tightly later as progressed aspects.

The Luminaries can be given more latitude in terms of making active aspects: Sun and Moon 15' arc due to the width of their apparent disc only. However, you'll never see those orbs being synchronous alone in progressions with out other aspects present during the time events unfold. Unless there is a planetary transit (usually an outer planet) at/near culmination to a natal point, there will be other planets making progressed aspects within 0°04' of exact.

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Thanks Kannon.