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GrandFireT
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posted September 15, 2017 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrandFireT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have any members here taken the Myers-Briggs psychology test and compared the results with interpretations of their personal birthchart?

I did and was shocked at the revelations and how they mesh with my chart.

Granted, most astrologers are going to be skeptical about a personality test which pigeonholes people in one of 16 classifications.

I used the test at Project Evolove dating site: http://www.projectevolove.com/


Click on "View Our Psychology", then click SIGN UP for the test in red ink near bottom of page.

It's all free and so far has not resulted in annoying junkmail.

While the test itself seems to reveal an accurate thumbnail for this member, figuring out what you're compatible with might not be so simple. Various possibilities are suggested by different sources.

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Einfühlung
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posted September 15, 2017 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Einfühlung     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, yes. I fluctuate between INTJ and INFJ and I think it relates to my chart. I believe people can be more than one of the 16 personalities depending on the situation they're in.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 15, 2017 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not skeptical at all of Meyers-Briggs. A lot of people use it and I think it's accurate enough to be helpful.

Did it years ago: I'm INTP (Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiver). But I do use the word 'feel' a lot for someone who gets a 'T'. So it's an example of how someone can score high and low in each of the 4 areas. I'm not super high in the T, and the intuition of the N does capture a lot of feeling.

A friend of mine classified as ENFP, but was a borderline Extrovert. He could be very introverted at times.

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colorful butterfly
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posted September 16, 2017 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been looking into it for sometime too.

Taking the test I got several types to come up but had others help me narrow down the functions , then took test to narrow down the functions.

I got ESTP with an 9w8 enneogram. Recently I have looked at ISTP but I know I am not that introverted yet don't think some of the things ESTP describe are exactly me. I do agree with the 9w8 thing though. Naturally a peacemaker but not a push over.

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posted September 16, 2017 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheMusician00     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've taken it several times and gotten something different every time over the years

At first, INTJ. Two years later, ISFJ. A year after, ENTP. Very different personalities for one person to have. Additionally, I've done a lot of growing over those years and the 20s are a time where your identity changes a lot anyways.

I don't really have a problem with the sixteen classifications. It's just been tested and unsupported many times. The Big 5 rates five characteristics and it's much more supported as a test. The characteristics are
Openness
Conscientiousness
Extroversion
Agreeableness
Neuroticism

It rates you on a percent slider of each.

Myers-Briggs wasn't actually made by psychologists either which is really my biggest problem. Two gals decided they liked Carl Jung's ideas of psychology and wrote a book. No testing. No research. Just decided to write it based on what they thought.


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Lion-I
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posted September 16, 2017 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lion-I     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheMusician00:
I've taken it several times and gotten something different every time over the years

At first, INTJ. Two years later, ISFJ. A year after, ENTP. Very different personalities for one person to have. Additionally, I've done a lot of growing over those years and the 20s are a time where your identity changes a lot anyways.

I don't really have a problem with the sixteen classifications. It's just been tested and unsupported many times. The Big 5 rates five characteristics and it's much more supported as a test. The characteristics are
Openness
Conscientiousness
Extroversion
Agreeableness
Neuroticism

It rates you on a percent slider of each.

Myers-Briggs wasn't actually made by psychologists either which is really my biggest problem. Two gals decided they liked Carl Jung's ideas of psychology and wrote a book. No testing. No research. Just decided to write it based on what they thought.


The Big five is basically the same thing as the MBTI but has an extra scale for Emotional volatility (neurotoscims). Even the creators of the big 5 noted that. And the Official MBTI website has tons of research on the test and also the 2 sisters did research also.

The MBTI has been tested and supported many times, it's just that it's testing methodology is iffy like all personality tests, but it's explanations of character is accurate.

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posted September 16, 2017 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lion-I     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'm not skeptical at all of Meyers-Briggs. A lot of people use it and I think it's accurate enough to be helpful.

Did it years ago: I'm INTP (Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiver). But I do use the word 'feel' a lot for someone who gets a 'T'. So it's an example of how someone can score high and low in each of the 4 areas. I'm not super high in the T, and the intuition of the N does capture a lot of feeling.

A friend of mine classified as ENFP, but was a borderline Extrovert. He could be very introverted at times.


Feeling is not feeling in the common term, this is the problem with all the crap MBTI gets, it's mostly people who don't take the time to look at the system or understand cognitive functions that say it's BS and then go to the Big five which is just the MBTI with 1 extra scale.


Thinking and feeling are the decision-making functions. If you’re a thinker, when you make a decision you think more objectively. You analyze pros and cons, and you want logical explanations. If you’re a feeler, when you make decisions you think first about your inner values and what’s best for the people involved. You want to maintain harmony, and you are more focused on people than systems or facts. This isn’t to say that thinkers don’t care at all about harmony, and feelers don’t care at all about facts. Your thinking or feeling preference only indicates which option you go with first.

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posted September 16, 2017 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lion-I     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
I have been looking into it for sometime too.

Taking the test I got several types to come up but had others help me narrow down the functions , then took test to narrow down the functions.

I got ESTP with an 9w8 enneogram. Recently I have looked at ISTP but I know I am not that introverted yet don't think some of the things ESTP describe are exactly me. I do agree with the 9w8 thing though. Naturally a peacemaker but not a push over.


Look at Cognitive Functions to better understand the system. And of course some things won't apply to you.

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posted September 16, 2017 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tuileries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found that my type (INFP) matches in many ways my psychological horoscope from astro.com, especially in regards to challenges in my professional life. So yes, there might be something to it.

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posted September 16, 2017 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there's been a few posts about this on here, but I always contribute because I like the topic lol.

I'm an INFJ. I believe they say that INFJ is the ultimate psychologist and have the natural intuitive ability to read people very easily... which makes since seeing how I have my pisces sun, moon, mercury in the 8th house trining pluto, with pluto squaring my ascendant.

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ReachingForTheStars
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posted September 16, 2017 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think my chart ruler, big three, and sign/modality dominance perfectly aligns with my cognitive stack according to MBTI. My dominant function is called introverted intuition; my chart ruler is in my 12th house. The way these two relate is pretty incredible to me.

Hopefully y'all will find this info interesting since most of the posters use the same functions in their top 4 (ESTP, INTJ, INFJ). I actually find the socionics system a bit more interesting than MBTI though. My cognitive stack is: Ni Te Fi Se Ne Ti Fe Si


Here's a description of Mercury in the 12th house:

The person can speak and understand images more comprehensively than others, silence speaks louder to them than a room full of voices. Time may be spent in deep study, writing, and reflecting; they are often happiest researching or spending time in libraries. This placement possesses creative powers of the mind and the ability to tap into the collective. They draw from the collective all forms of art, symbols and music, communicating knowledge in the deepest of ways. It is as if they have reached down into the bottom of the ocean and pooled their knowledge from below. The Neptunian and Pisces house is one of dissolution so the person is afraid on some level of being taken over by these waves of thoughts, and losing their mind to something much larger.

The description for Introverted intuition:

They enjoy tinkering with ideas, perspectives, theories, visions, stories, symbols, and metaphors. Their dominant function, Introverted Intuition (Ni), serves as the veritable foundation for this inner playhouse.

Because it does much of its work subconsciously, Ni can seem to have a certain magical quality about it. In fact, it is not unusual for INJs to be viewed as having some degree of psychic or prophetic abilities.Despite its magical appearance, Ni can be understood on a rational basis. What seems to be occurring is that many INJs have a highly sensitive inferior function, Extraverted Sensation (Se), which gathers copious amounts of sensory information from the outside world, including subtleties that other personality types tend to miss. Their Ni then subconsciously processes this data in order to make sense of it, like assembling pieces of a puzzle. Once finished, Ni generates an impression that seems to come out of “nowhere.” But the fact is that the intuition did not come out of nowhere, but from a synthesis of sensory data gathered from the immediate environment combined with information from the INJ’s own psyche.

Introverted Intuition (Ni), Vision, & Beauty

It is often said that human beings rely more heavily on vision than any of the other senses. This seems especially true of INJs, who often report a strong visual element to their Introverted Intuition. They often think by way of images rather than words. Their intuitions often manifest in the form of symbols, images, dreams, or patterns. This is consistent with Jung’s characterization of the Ni type as a dreamer, artist, or seer. There is a distinct visual character to these notions, which is why vision-related terms—foresight, insight, seer, visionary, etc.—are invariably used in describing INJs.

Considering the visual nature of Ni, it is no surprise that many INJs are highly sensitive to beauty—visual, metaphorical, or otherwise. French philosopher and INTJ Jean Paul Sartre confessed: “I’m only a desire for beauty.” Another INTJ, Frederich Nietzsche, wrote that “life is only valuable as an aesthetic phenomenon.” What seems to be of great irony here is the fact that, at least superficially, INJs seem to be valuing aesthetics in a way similar to their typological opposites, ESPs. The apparent reason for this is that INJs and ESPs use Se as part of their functional stack. The difference is that ESPs use Se more consciously, while INJs do so more unconsciously.

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ReachingForTheStars
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posted September 16, 2017 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheMusician00:
I've taken it several times and gotten something different every time over the years

At first, INTJ. Two years later, ISFJ. A year after, ENTP. Very different personalities for one person to have. Additionally, I've done a lot of growing over those years and the 20s are a time where your identity changes a lot anyways.



Those types are actually not that different and it makes sense that you'd type that way.

The full cognitive stack for an ISFJ is:

Si Fe Ti Ne (Se Fi Te Ni)

ENTP:

Ne Ti Fe Si (Ni Te Fi Se)

Notice these two types share all the same dominant functions but in reverse order. They're not really opposites; they're complements. I'd guess your true type to be one of these, probably ISFJ especially if I come across to you as a bossy know it all.
http://www.personality-central.com/ISFJ-development.html

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posted September 17, 2017 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think mine aligns with me pretty well. Except that I habe an Aquarius moon and they say we are unemotional. I dont feel this way, but I am a Pisces Sun, Mercury, and Venus. Also with 12th house stellium with moon, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune. My chart ruler I believe is Uranus because my rising is Aquarius. So Uranus is my dominant planet, with Jupiter and Neptune almost exactly the same power, 2nd and 3rd dominant. Im Pisces dominate. Aquarius 2nd dominant. I took 4 different test. 2 of them I got INFP, another 2 I got ISFP. I think INFP is more correct since I did take the same test for than twice on the 16personalities website and everytime got INFP. The other sites that said I was ISFP the Sensing over Intuition was only slightly more sense. But 16personalities always says INFP and according to that I favored Intuition over Sensing a lot more than the other test claimed. If anyone can let me know what site is the most accurate that'll be nice thanks. For now I just say INFP.

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ReachingForTheStars
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posted September 17, 2017 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I think mine aligns with me pretty well. Except that I habe an Aquarius moon and they say we are unemotional. I dont feel this way, but I am a Pisces Sun, Mercury, and Venus. Also with 12th house stellium with moon, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune. My chart ruler I believe is Uranus because my rising is Aquarius. So Uranus is my dominant planet, with Jupiter and Neptune almost exactly the same power, 2nd and 3rd dominant. Im Pisces dominate. Aquarius 2nd dominant. I took 4 different test. 2 of them I got INFP, another 2 I got ISFP. I think INFP is more correct since I did take the same test for than twice on the 16personalities website and everytime got INFP. The other sites that said I was ISFP the Sensing over Intuition was only slightly more sense. But 16personalities always says INFP and according to that I favored Intuition over Sensing a lot more than the other test claimed. If anyone can let me know what site is the most accurate that'll be nice thanks. For now I just say INFP.

Both types lead with the same cognitive fiction, introverted feeling. One personality typing systems calls this process authenticity, another, introverted ethics. It isn't so much about feelings as it is about being authentic and staying true to your beliefs and values, which is a very aquarian thing. One way to try to determine which of the two types you are is to examine which of the second functions you identify with most, extraverted sensing or extraverted intuition.

The FiNe’s functions are:
1. Fi - introverted Feeling
Although it’s referred to as “Feeling”, Fi is not internal emotions, but rather values that come from within. FiNe’s might experience a deep well of emotions, but this is not the root of Fi. It is a decision making-process that is very interested in determining its own moral code and what the FiNe’s gut instinct tells them is right, which is often based on how they would like to be treated themselves. They tend to be very considerate of others, and may take a long time to mull over their own beliefs to make sure they seem right. The values-refining process can take quite a bit of time and requires mental solitude. Fi generally puts authenticity in high esteem and is repulsed by anything that seems fabricated or shallow.

2. Ne - extroverted iNtuition
Ne is the main way FiNe’s take in information. This means they use their intuition to find patterns, underlying principles, and ideas, and to form connections as they talk, write, or create. Ne flourishes when given new, interesting concepts to consider and consistently seeks out new inspiration from the outside world. For the FiNe, Ne is paired with Fi and “serves” it in the sense that it comes after it in terms of preference. This means that Ne will most often be used to explore values and ideals in all of their facets. Because Ne is extroverted, it primarily works by engaging with outside sources. This may look like having discussions with others who are also open to exploring the possibilities of a topic, or doing a lot of self-expression through writing or an art form.

2. Se - extroverted Sensing
Se is the main way FiSe’s take in information. It means they use their senses to understand the world around them. They live in the moment and prefer dealing with things that are real and solid over the purely hypothetical. Se is the part of FiSe’s that makes them search out playful new sensory experiences.

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