posted September 20, 2017 08:41 AM            

I'm trying to look for innocence, but I can only find it deep in my heart. I can't find it in anyone else. I easily forgive and I hate cruelty, I hate people like that. I hate fake people and people that are insincere, go out of their way to lie, who are corrupted. I don't think about survival all the time, i don't think about corrupted things all the time. I am a simple person and I do and say what I feel. I don't believe in shame I am wise enough to not fall for the trap called fear and shame that society, parents and everyone controls you with. It also makes me vulnerable but now it doesn't anymore because I've learnt to be proud about it and protect it and no one can affect me this way. Everyone else has to instead, face their wrongness instead of trying to make my right look wrong when it isn't even it.

I wonder what makes me like this.

Maybe it's because most of my planets are in domicile and 1 in exaltation. So I don't have to be corrupted I can just be myself.

posted September 20, 2017 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
1. Because this isn't heaven.

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posted September 20, 2017 12:56 PM            

What I think is very weird is that you don't see this innocence around you. We all have an inner child and we all have a shadow side INCLUDING YOU! sorry...

So we all have a part that is innocent and I feel if you don't see this around you is because you are not allowing yourself to see it for whatever reason.

posted September 20, 2017 01:45 PM            

You have just describe part of the problem you are having when you say you "hate" certain people. You cannot "forgive" and still hate.

posted September 20, 2017 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
nice one!

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posted September 20, 2017 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Not everyone is. Your perspective is distorted. If you are falling into misanthropy then it is because of the information stream and media you are giving your attention.

You have just describe part of the problem you are having when you say you "hate" certain people. You cannot "forgive" and still hate.

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posted September 20, 2017 04:58 PM            

If people are sadistic and sociopathic/enjoy inflicting pain, suffering, don't have very active empathy, then, yes, THAT could be lack of innocence.

But not everyone has had their empathy grow enough through their lifetimes, if we're to think in terms of reincarnation, which astrology suggests. Or, simply put, their life experiences haven't nurtured their empathy, and therefore it is easier for them to do things that someone with a LOT of empathy would think of as evil, or cruel.

Human beings do some pretty ****** things to each other on a day to day basis, and for the most part, a lot of people are generally very selfish, self serving and have a 'not my problem attitude.'Which, again, goes back to underdeveloped empathy.

But what you call innocence isn't really innocence. I think you mean sincerity. For me, I think of innocence in a certain way - 'innocence' because 'in no sense' which is basically senselessness! Or lacking common sense.

For example, when I was younger and "innocent", I went to Amsterdam with some friends, and we, naively, went to the "Red Light" sector. I don't know if you know what that is, but it's basically a place with lots of hookers. (no we weren't looking for service :P)

It was night, and while we were in that area, I was assaulted by a man who nearly trafficked me. I could have become another one of the pimped out hookers essentially forced into sex slavery. It's a pretty dark place, there, too, because the police and government is paid off, and it's all one big money making scheme. Loads of girls get offered jobs there, in Amsterdam, and sometimes, if they're unlucky enough, they could innocently buy into a setup and then get place in sexy lingerie and forced into sex work.

The moral I'm trying to convey is that innocence is actually stupid. I don't think innocence should be revered, but likewise, people SHOULDN"T have to have bad things happen to them to learn, but, sometimes, in life, sheet happens and that IS how we learn. So I think breaking people's deluded illusions or flights of fancy is good, and being innocent and thinking everyone IS sincere IS NOT a good way to be, and likewise, wishing everyone was sincere and not malevolent isn't wise, either. For there to be decent people, there've gotta be bad, and acting like everyone is decent like you, or even THINKING everyone is as 'innocent' as you isn't healthy, at all.

But, selfishness is the nature of our reality. Selfishness isn't inherently bad. We NEED to be selfish if we want to make money, have a good home, a good car and a good quality of life. But our selfishness has been overgrown and excessive for some time. I'd like to blame consumerism, but people have been deecks for a lot longer than computers have been around.

I honestly don't think many people LIKE fake people who go out of their way to lie, OR like corruption. But, again, it depends on the lie. Just as selfishness CAN be good, so can lying. Not all lying is bad. So, what, if a burglar comes into your house and asks you where you're parents are so he can kill them, you're going to tell him? Or, if someone I barely know and trusts asks something intimate, I'm most certainly not going to tell them, and if it seems like they could be potentially dangerous, OF COURSE I'll lie to diffuse.

Again, there are different types of lying. There's strategic lying, and there's lying out of being a toxic backstabber. Again, goes back to empathy and maturity. Or, look at politicians who lie though their teeth just to get what they want. I mean, as above, so below, and if you want to know about how a people became a certain way, just look at how their leaders act.

It's a really complex and multifaceted issue, and in every good thing there is something evil, and in every evil thing there's something good. Just as we also have goodness in us, and evil in us. To deny the existence of one is to deny the existence of the other. And if we want to hate and/or reject one, then we cannot have the other.

This issue reminds me of the story of the two wolves: An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

posted September 20, 2017 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
1. Because this isn't heaven.
2. People are innately selfish, and not always in a good way.
3. There's no automatic punishment-rewards system on earth, instant karma is a rarity. So people have wiggle room to do whatever they want.
4. We're not even 100% sure if karma exists.

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1. Why can't we strive for heaven on earth?
2. Half right. In the Consideration Cycle (http://theaquarianparadigm.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-consideration-cycle-in-depth.html), people either project (masculine signs) or assimilate (feminine signs) planetary influences, and only people with masculine Pluto signs naturally project the consequences of their actions (this is especially evident with the Baby Boomers). For example, the kids born from 2008 until now are hardly selfish in my experience. You can be taught to be unselfish, as well as selfish. The ones born from 2011 until now are also naturally empathetic, which is also part of the Consideration Cycle, as feminine Neptunes assimilate their passions and feel other people's passions more, instead of project their own like masculine Neptunes do.
3 and 4- The justice system is corrupt. Politicians, corporations, and celebrities (Illuminati members) often get slaps on the wrist for offenses the average person can't get away with. And the God of the OT is the God in Judaism, while Jews are at the top of the Illuminati pyramid except for their God. Coincidence? I don't think so.

posted September 21, 2017 12:25 AM            

Our differences create friction between us. See, we have right and wrong which is fine. No two people will have the same right and wrong though, and when they overlap, someone takes offense. An offhand comment, cutting somebody off while driving, laughing at another person's embarrassing mistake, pointing out insecurities and flaws - all of these are small things that can hurt or feel inconsiderate at the least. Most people understand that anger is rooted in self-centered viewpoints and don't expect an apology for these incidences because they know they're not deliberate. However, the self-serving and self-righteous portion of the population expects an apology for every action not made in direct consideration of them exclusively. And, when they don't receive that, they consider the offenders to be the cruel, hateful stains on humanity. They choose to spend their time in the light, being just as angelic and, dare I say "innocent," as can be. It's quite lonely to be above everybody else all of the time.

Of course, we always have control of our destinies and perspectives

posted September 21, 2017 02:34 AM            

I wish I could ask where In Canada you reside?

There are some parts of the country that have really gone down hill.

I know I travel in and out of Ottawa and the adjacent small towns.

Its sad because some people are blind not to see it the remaining others who do are sorta trapped and can't get out.

I'm lucky because I can get out but most people aren't so there sense of hopelessness in some people I see.

Its very disappointing to see it.

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posted September 21, 2017 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
I spy a Neptune transit?

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posted September 21, 2017 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by kewf1988:
1. Why can't we strive for heaven on earth?
2. Half right. In the Consideration Cycle (http://theaquarianparadigm.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-consideration-cycle-in-depth.html), people either project (masculine signs) or assimilate (feminine signs) planetary influences, and only people with masculine Pluto signs naturally project the consequences of their actions (this is especially evident with the Baby Boomers). For example, the kids born from 2008 until now are hardly selfish in my experience. You can be taught to be unselfish, as well as selfish. The ones born from 2011 until now are also naturally empathetic, which is also part of the Consideration Cycle, as feminine Neptunes assimilate their passions and feel other people's passions more, instead of project their own like masculine Neptunes do.
3 and 4- The justice system is corrupt. Politicians, corporations, and celebrities (Illuminati members) often get slaps on the wrist for offenses the average person can't get away with. And the God of the OT is the God in Judaism, while Jews are at the top of the Illuminati pyramid except for their God. Coincidence? I don't think so.

To the OP, this is a common symptom of a spiritual awakening, and a reason why I get charts of nearly everyone I come in contact with, to see WHY people are the way they are, and to adjust to their personalities. If I can see why they're a certain way, I understand it more (for example, before discovering Alan Lin's theory, I kept emailing a bunch of conservative Christians I knew about the wealth gap and how voting for the GOP is supporting it. I still believe that, but am more understanding about it ever since).

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posted September 21, 2017 07:30 AM            

Sometimes we become so incensed about a particular thing *because* we embody it, not because we are *not* it, but that we are striving to remove that from our being or life that we do not agree with.

I do not think that 'innocence' and 'hate' can coexist harmoniously. For you to be capable of hate, your bubble of innocence has been burst at some point. You have been touched by what you hate, either from within or without.

The only true innocence in this world is in newborn babies. The tabula rasa.

posted September 21, 2017 07:49 AM            

I've found it is key to surround myself with positive people. I find good natured people everywhere, doing good things. Usually these aren't the stories that are making news headlines.

A few days ago there was a fire in my neighborhood and a gardener who was working nearby ran into the building and saved an elderly woman and her dog, and even gave the shirt off his back to put over her because she didn't have any pants on. His company didn't provide any coverage for the medical bills he had to incur for smoke inhalation, so everyone in my neighborhood chipped in for a donation to help him.

posted September 21, 2017 12:31 PM            

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I stopped watching the news because I can't handle everything that's been going on. As a pisces sun and moon, bad stories can really get me down. But I find that as a Leo Rising, I'm always the silver lining type of girl, or at least I try to find the positivity somewhere.

I've found it is key to surround myself with positive people. I find good natured people everywhere, doing good things. Usually these aren't the stories that are making news headlines.

A few days ago there was a fire in my neighborhood and a gardener who was working nearby ran into the building and saved an elderly woman and her dog, and even gave the shirt off his back to put over her because she didn't have any pants on. His company didn't provide any coverage for the medical bills he had to incur for smoke inhalation, so everyone in my neighborhood chipped in for a donation to help him.

It's stories like that which you don't see everyday which help me restore my faith in humanity

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posted September 21, 2017 02:25 PM            

I have a Scorpio stellium conjunct Jupiter in Scorpio so I’m full of love.

posted September 21, 2017 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
nice one!

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Depends on your beliefs.

To many people, there is no heaven or hell.

Heaven is now higher than your head.
Hell is no lower than your feet.

posted September 21, 2017 03:16 PM            

And you can feel hate and be innocent, as a counselor you understand people have different parts and sides (e.g. sweet innocent side, dark and angry side). You can buy a coffee at starbucks for a stranger and then get angry at someone on the road while driving and for a moment want to strangle them but you don't act on it and let it go. I can be more in touch with my inner child one day while I am hiking or express my innocent side in one moment when I hug someone and provide them with comfort and another day while I am fighting with my partner be more in touch with my dark side bc the fight is triggering the darker side of me.

posted September 21, 2017 03:21 PM            

I think I 'sense' (in a general way) some of what you're saying... I think I know what feels like. It's a general frustration... and I'm so GLAD you expressed it the way you did.

You know what? *No Secret* .....

You're just Awesome, 'as-you-are' ...
ALL of you, ALL of your feelings.

Be just be you are. You transform the World, for Good by BEING in it.

Light, Dark, whatever...
Be WHOLE.... and perfect, being You.
And I'm so glad you wrote all that for us.

Hope you enjoy this vid ...

(music) Why Don't You Be You, and I'll Be Me (Laurien Vanherke, working w/her horse(?), 2015) [2:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPZcoT1d3bM

The owner of this real-life race horse called Secretariat, just died the other day. {Emphasizes the message...}