posted October 01, 2017 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
You know what I'd actually like to see, as for talking about the crap of the signs?

Real life examples. And I mean of all the signs. (I know some pop stars get chosen and that's great, but I mean a list to compare and contrast, and examine the contributing factors.)

For examples of Libra, Vladimir Putin (October 7), Mahatma Gandhi (October 2), Margaret Thatcher (October 13), and Aleister Crowley (October 12). There's a lot of criticism to be had here (even of Gandhi). Something other than the tired cliches of the signs that make me wonder if I'm wasting my time with astrology.

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posted October 01, 2017 10:56 AM            

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I was perfectly fine with a libra not taking my side in something...

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They're like that. Their approach to conflict resolution is very cookie-cutter - distribute the blame evenly.

Eg: Someone steps on you toes. You curse them out. Libra will resolve this by sharing the blame; he might have stepped on your toes, but you cursed him out so you're wrong too.

This really frustrates me about them. One person is a clear bully, and the other is justified in expressing righteous indignation.

I don't do struggle - Libra.

posted October 01, 2017 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I disagree. Of course they're not going to say what really bothers them because that would be petty, but they honestly do feel deceived because their assumptions of Libra automatically taking their side didn't come through. And as for those Libras that do go overboard in trying to keep the peace (which includes repressing their tendency to play devil's advocate or otherwise be up for a good debate as they weigh ideas upon their scales)...that doesn't actually bother most people. Most people don't want to have their ideas challenged and LIKE having their butts kissed and fish for validation rather than contrary points of view.

A common game, which I'm sure is common knowledge though it's not something we're supposed to talk about, is fishing for validation and promotion in exchange for the same through a game that is not that complex. One says something self-depreciating to get a compliment for example (which doubles as not appearing vain) with the favor returned, and while judging others harshly is a time honored method of building up one's own self-esteem, one is not supposed to do that with each other, ever. Of course this means that the only people one most people can feel comfortable around are those that exchange butt kisses and turn on others without turning on each other (and that means always taking their side, no matter what). Libra is not going to get hate for doing that, but rather for playing the devil's advocate or sharing their honest thoughts, or (worst of all) not automatically taking their side which feels a betrayal of trust.

Some Libras, once they understand the game, do bend over backwards to be as fake as everyone else. But they don't normally choose one side, and even that makes them untrustworthy in the eyes of others, because they don't know if Libra is sharing their secrets, secretly judging them, or will take the side of someone else. Even if Libra manages to never take a side (which will rankle some people in of itself) their playing all sides will come out, and it's not the fakeness that is despised, but refusing to take a side so that they can't be fully trusted. And if Libra DOES take a side then it's so much worse, because some people who thought Libra a friend who would be unfair in their favor now feels betrayed, and as such feels Libra is deceptive (that is, the problem isn't being fake, but feeling like a fake friend, and it does FEEL like deceit). Of course it sounds better to say Libra is deceitful rather than "Libra won't automatically take my side as I thought s/he would."

And I know we're not all rainbows, and that no one is (I also don't mean that this is the always the case, just that I have reason to believe it often is). I can share many of my own personal flaws, some of which I have attributed to my Libra sun and stellium, but they're not this cliche crap that is all too common (and not just for Libra). And I gave 4 examples of Libras with some heavy shadow sides that I'd be genuinely interested in examining, though it won't just be Libra energy involved, and examining them may remind me why I once thought astrology was brilliant.

At least Linda Goodman, who could make fun of Libras (as she did everyone) in her writing realized that Libra was far more likely to be argumentative than fake (and even gave advice on that, like on how to trick Libra into agreeing with you by pretending to hold a different view) and warned with wry humor how Libra couldn't be expected to automatically take your side as most others expect.

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Ahhh Libra heavy, just as I thought. I was wondering why you seemed on a mission and were trying to balance everything out :P

It's interesting that you mention self deception, and how people are prone to that. Wouldn't you think that with all of your rationalizing, you're being self deceptive as well? The mind is an interesting thing, and we'll try to use as much information and even our own intellects to back up our false beliefs. Does this not apply to you?

I don't think the issue is what you're saying, and we can agree to disagree, as I feel you'll still continue to rationalize.

posted October 01, 2017 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Ahhh Libra heavy, just as I thought. I was wondering why you seemed on a mission and were trying to balance everything out :P

It's interesting that you mention self deception, and how people are prone to that. Wouldn't you think that with all of your rationalizing, you're being self deceptive as well? The mind is an interesting thing, and we'll try to use as much information and even our own intellects to back up our false beliefs. Does this not apply to you?

I don't think the issue is what you're saying, and we can agree to disagree, as I feel you'll still continue to rationalize.

And I don't think everyone here is the problem and that Libra is simply misunderstood, and I don't think it's about Libra taking their side, or whatnot, and I don't think you're right. I'll say again, people are talking about shadow aspects. However, much of what you're saying does ring true when Libras express themselves positively. But I'm not going to debate this anymore. I've said my piece.

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Oh, you want to make this about me instead of what I said? I can play that way, and still keep it to what I was saying at the same time. So right back at you:

Don't you wish I had more of that Libra shadow side here? Because then I'd be fake charming and ditsy with false compliments and pretending to like you rather than contradict you. (I wasn't even contradicting you at first. You said you were wondering and I replied, but apparently you were speaking rhetorically.) Or don't you wish at the very least that I was too busy with my cosmetics and line of backup lovers who are all the "love of my life" (not to mention good looking with good fashion sense, and can't forget rich) to have any time to contradict you at all? Or would that make you feel insecure as well?

posted October 03, 2017 01:48 PM            

What about Libras who are for example Neptune dominant or have a Stellium in the 4th, 5th, 6th etc?

Are they all fake ?

posted October 03, 2017 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
Really? Lol

What about Libras who are for example Neptune dominant or have a Stellium in the 4th, 5th, 6th etc?

Are they all fake ?

Such a narrow view

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posted October 03, 2017 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
She makes them for every sign. It's Libra time, so she posted Libra.

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Oh right lol

posted October 03, 2017 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by redshoes:
Oh right lol

What sign is she ?

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posted October 04, 2017 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

Or don't you wish at the very least that I was too busy with my cosmetics and line of backup lovers who are all the "love of my life" (not to mention good looking with good fashion sense, and can't forget rich) to have any time to contradict you at all?

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