posted October 16, 2017 05:01 PM            

He was a spiritual teacher, much like Ghandi or Confucius.

It's not so much his rising sign that I'm disputing, but his IC is Taurus. Now, Jidddu had a pretty tragic, horrific life. I'm not saying Taurus IC can't have it rough, but the circumstances of his life don't add up to Taurus to me. What do you think?

Excepts from wiki:
"While he showed a natural aptitude in sports, Krishnamurti always had problems with formal schooling and was not academically inclined. He eventually gave up university education after several attempts at admission. He did take to foreign languages, in time speaking several with some fluency."

"Jiddu Krishnamurti was born to a Telugu-speaking Hindu Brahmin family in the town of Madanapalle, Madras Presidency (now located in Andhra Pradesh).

He hailed from a spiritual family and had ten siblings. Only six of his siblings however, survived childhood.

In 1903, the family moved to Cudappah and resided there. He suffered from a number of illnesses as a young boy and was often considered ‘mentally’ unstable. As a result, he was not a favorite with his teachers and would be repeatedly beaten by them and his father at home.

His mother died when he was just 10 years old, followed by his sister, which left him disturbed for a very long time. It was during these periods of turmoil that he found peace with nature.

He came to face-to-face with a soothsayer, Charles Webster Leadbeater, in 1909, who was astonished by Krishnamurti’s aura and proclaimed that one day; he would become a ‘World Teacher to guide the evolution of humankind’.

He was later taken under Leadbeater’s wing and was educated at the Theosophical Society at Adyar, later continuing his education abroad. It was during this time, he developed a strong bond with Dr. Annie Besant, whom he viewed as a motherly figure."

Here is a talk by him if you want to see him in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM_xR9JFYuU

Here is his chart here: https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

It shows his TOB but I am not certain if it is correct. Today - and back then, their calendars India are different, so I feel like it may have been mistranslated.

As a kid:

Youth:

Young man:

posted October 16, 2017 06:59 PM            

wikipedia:
"In 1903 the family settled in Cudappah, where Krishnamurti had contracted malaria during a previous stay. He would suffer recurrent bouts of the disease over many years. A sensitive and sickly child, "vague and dreamy,"...

Pisces/Neptune.

posted October 16, 2017 07:50 PM            

In her biography of Krishnamurti Pupul Jayakar quotes him speaking of that period in his life some 75 years later: "The boy had always said "I will do whatever you want". There was an element of subservience, obedience. The boy was vague, uncertain, woolly; he didn't seem to care what was happening. He was like a vessel with a large hole in it, whatever was put in, went through, nothing remained."

posted October 17, 2017 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The rising sign is Pisces, the Asc 15°.

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That was fast! And I do think you're quite right then.

Thing is, it was also said that he seemed "stupid/retarded" and Pisces, because of their otherworldly nature, can come off as seeming stupid from a materialistic standpoint, or even worldly point of view.

posted October 17, 2017 06:44 PM            

Michael Jackson has a Pisces asc, and he sort of has that, too. Bruno Mars and Antonio Banderas have it, too.

posted October 18, 2017 01:09 AM            

With Asc in mid-Pisces, it puts 3 planets (Mercury, Pluto, Neptune) in the 3rd house, appropriate for how he made a living, which was writing and speaking. Also Neptune and Pluto square Asc both played out in his life with a focus on spirituality and future vision/prophecy and power struggles with those who taught him and tried to turn him into a kind of messianic figure (which he later rejected).

Glad you started this thread, as Krishnamurti was an interesting figure from the esoteric/theosophy crowd that will make a good chart example for rectification at my site. Far better than Alice Bailey. I had to drop my efforts with her chart as there was just not enough precisely dated biographical material to justify a rectification effort.

You can see that this was not a difficult one, because between the time I first responded to your question until I replied with the answer is how long it took for me to look at the great pictures you posted, survey the Source Notes at ADB, read his wikipedia page and find the internal chart rectifying metrics.

I'll be doing a complete write up on it as soon as I get caught up with another article I'm working on. I'll share the link/content here.

posted October 18, 2017 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
That was fast! And I do think you're quite right then.

Thing is, it was also said that he seemed "stupid/retarded" and Pisces, because of their otherworldly nature, can come off as seeming stupid from a materialistic standpoint, or even worldly point of view.

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Exactly.

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Now his IC and his 10th house adds up a lot more!

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Yes. Moon in 10th very fitting for how public he was once he was trained by the theosophists and put at the head of an organization built around him.

I'll tell you why the 'B' rated birth time his father gave should be taken as truthful, but not literally. Note that it says it was the time his head began to crown during birth:

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Marcello Borges quotes Evelyne Blau "Krishnamurti, 100 Years" (Stewart, Tabori and Chang, NY) "the assisting midwife called to the waiting husband 'Sirsodayam!' meaning that the head is visible. According to Indian tradition, that is the precise moment of birth, neccessary in order to cast a precise horoscope for the child." (00:30 AM Madras time) This is the same date and time that Alan Leo received from Krishnamurti's father, when he was in India, as given in "Astral Tramp" by Kim Farnell, 1998.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Krishnamurti,_Jiddu

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That is not the time to take. I guarantee you the birth process took over another hour for full delivery, which allows a chart based on about 2 AM.

Krishnamurti was far too compliant with the wishes of the theosophists, saying he'd do whatever they wanted. An Aquarius riser just is not like that, particularly without any semblance of aspects to change that typical pattern of rebellion against demands placed upon them. Aquarius + Taurus = stubborn, resistant + Moon in Sag would demand more freedom. No, there is only one rising sign that fits the scenario, his personality and his life -- Pisces.

The progressions fit perfectly and Neptune progressed into perfect planetary metric with the Asc during the period of his brother's surprising death and subsequent disillusionment with theosophy and its prophetic dogmas (1925> ).