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PiperDay
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posted October 21, 2017 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiperDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year.

I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 21, 2017 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a world like ours, we need MORE people like u.

There is purpose and reason for your Asc . The key may be to search within and ask "Why?"

Not in a "why me?" sort of way. But in a "I am what I am" assertive way.

Where is your North Node? I have Sun-Nep conj. Neptune forms parallel aspects with most of my planets :Merc,Jup,Uranus,Mc,North-node(contra parallel).And Neptune trine Asc(wide aspect).

Do you feel you want to "change" it because it is deemed "weak"?

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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 21, 2017 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get you.

BUT the only way to change it would be for you to go back in time and delay (or speed up) your birth just a little longer, maybe making it Aries or Aqua xD Aqua could be better cause of their ability to detach so maybe you'd be less affected!

But the progress chart and draconic charts contain some hope maybe? What are your risings there?

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PiperDay
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posted October 21, 2017 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiperDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to change it because it is causing me mental and psychic anguish. Don’t get me wrong – I do love its positive traits such as kindness, sacrifice for others and artistic talent. However, I’m sure that I would still be all those things without any Pisces influence, and the amount of time I waste due to this clouded confusion and hypersensitivity is just detrimental.

My Ascendant won’t move to Aries until 2050... great.
Draconic’s weird, though. Apparently my sun sign’s Taurus and my Ascendant’s Libra according to that system? I’ve never read up on those positions, so it’d be a interesting read for the night.

Oh, and even in Draconic, my Ascendant has progressed straight to Pisces...

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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 21, 2017 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The time that u "waste" is worthwhile. Its time spent being you.

I don't have psychic ability. So yes, it can feel like a "waste". But then again I think "whose time am I wasting really?"

Your worth is not clear with Neptune influence in 1st house. But this "worth" is according to the world's standards. At least that is my take on it .

I still believe this Asc is not all bad. Just like any other. Its just that the highly sensitive nature of someone born with it does not feel appreciated by the world. Nor knows how to have it work for them

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 21, 2017 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you can't change the Ascendant in your chart, but yes you can change your personality -- But it does take a long time.

What I recommend first is not viewing Pisces rising in purely negative terms based on your experience so far. Do your best to learn the better qualities associated with Pisces and develop those. Those will open your way out to a broader self-expression and changing your personality for the better.

I have determined to change the qualities associated with my Moon in Capricorn. I lived with it well over 30 years and can tell you all the good qualities associated with it. However, in spite of those strengths I still carry, I came to admire qualities of people I know with Moon in Libra. So I am developing more of that.

There is no magic exchange of one sign/personality for another. It takes real intention from a positive place of self-acceptance. Otherwise, what you have is conflict within yourself and wishful thinking that you were different.

First recognize the positive potentials and strengths associated with Pisces rising. If you feel you have truly tapped that out, then absolutely -- communicate to the Universe that you are ready for a change. You might ask to be shown clearly so there is no doubt what sign mode best fills out your personality and self-expression. Once you have a singular clear impression, develop in that direction. A real change takes decades. This is soul development and evolutionary in significance. It takes time. So be sure first that it comes out of that -- from a self-acceptance place.

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posted October 21, 2017 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiperDay:
My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year.

I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one?



Relocation astrology..... you will still have your natal placements etc..... but a shift if you move to another city/country.

Go to astro.com and check out the astrocartography section.

I say this....... because when one travels the globe, the energies are different in different places.... if you go to a place in your Venus line you feel the Venus energy..... a Pluto line is draining and isolating etc.... a mars line could mean a place of conflict of energy generally speaking....but things manifest out in various ways.....

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posted October 21, 2017 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you relocate , your ascendant will change in your relocated chart

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PiperDay
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posted October 21, 2017 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiperDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rechecked my natal and progressed. I'm an Aquarius ascendant who has progressed into a Pisces. No wonder why I'm not feeling comfortable about it.

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posted October 21, 2017 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiperDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked my astrocartography. Interestingly, the place I am at right now is a Mars/DS line.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 21, 2017 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one can change their personality by changing their location of residence. The Ascendant of the birth chart is set into the energy body and cells at birth because it is a function of the location of birth and the soul's choice of that relative to karma, soul family, and soul development. A person born a Pisces rising personality will remain that way no matter where on the globe they move. Otherwise we should all get relocation charts cast for every time we travel and stay a while somewhere. Do I become a Libra riser instead of a late Virgo riser because I vacation for a couple weeks in Italy? No. That's silly.

This idea you can simply move elsewhere to change your Asc is fantasy. The astrological factors of your birth chart are set into place within you at birth. To change any patterns of personality requires Intention to change, development, soul growth.

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posted October 21, 2017 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiperDay:
I checked my astrocartography. Interestingly, the place I am at right now is a Mars/DS line.

so what are your experiences on your Mars/ds line? Struggles? Have you traveled to other planet lines?

Here is a thread on relocation charts
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209184.html

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posted October 22, 2017 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you, original poster.

I have some Pisces, and some people think I'm not all there in the head!

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posted October 22, 2017 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted October 22, 2017 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiperDay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have.

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posted October 22, 2017 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiperDay:
Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have.

I've got another idea.....

Try checking out different planet persona charts. Like Moon persona, Mercury persona etc..... see what comes up with that....

I have Venus in Pisces square to Neptune.....

I don't believe that Pisces energy is bad.... just the fogginess of Neptune's influence is horrid..... ungrounded.... maybe somewhere there is a lesson to be learned within.... there is a reason why this energy exists.... if it exists... there is a purpose behind it.

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posted October 22, 2017 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrandFireT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiperDay:
Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have.

I have to wonder if that trait is unique to Pisces?

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GrandFireT
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posted October 23, 2017 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrandFireT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theodore Roosevelt had a good one-liner that addresses concerns similar to Piper's.

“Do what you can, with what you've got, where you are.”

I don't have the original text with that quotation, and I doubt TR was talking about astrology. However, his advice suggests to me that we should try to make the best of the natal chart that we've got.

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posted October 25, 2017 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiperDay:
My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year.

I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one?


Believe me, you don't want to be a capricorn ascendant. It makes for a dreary childhood and you have to work damn hard all your life. It's like being sentenced to a lifetime of hard labor.

I do see your point about the difficulty of a pisces ascendant. The best advice I can give you is to tell yourself that the negative thoughts and feelings of other people belong to them only; they are NOT your feelings and thoughts. I think the biggest challenge of a pisces ascendant is learning to set clear boundaries. Do not let yourself become a "clone" of someone else. Be yourself at all times.

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