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Topic: Is there anyway to change your ascendant?
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PiperDay Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted October 21, 2017 03:51 AM
My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year. I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one? IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4568 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 21, 2017 05:13 AM
In a world like ours, we need MORE people like u. There is purpose and reason for your Asc . The key may be to search within and ask "Why?" Not in a "why me?" sort of way. But in a "I am what I am" assertive way. Where is your North Node? I have Sun-Nep conj. Neptune forms parallel aspects with most of my planets :Merc,Jup,Uranus,Mc,North-node(contra parallel).And Neptune trine Asc(wide aspect). Do you feel you want to "change" it because it is deemed "weak"? IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 213 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted October 21, 2017 05:33 AM
I get you.BUT the only way to change it would be for you to go back in time and delay (or speed up) your birth just a little longer, maybe making it Aries or Aqua xD Aqua could be better cause of their ability to detach so maybe you'd be less affected! But the progress chart and draconic charts contain some hope maybe? What are your risings there?
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PiperDay Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted October 21, 2017 06:41 AM
I want to change it because it is causing me mental and psychic anguish. Don’t get me wrong – I do love its positive traits such as kindness, sacrifice for others and artistic talent. However, I’m sure that I would still be all those things without any Pisces influence, and the amount of time I waste due to this clouded confusion and hypersensitivity is just detrimental.My Ascendant won’t move to Aries until 2050... great. Draconic’s weird, though. Apparently my sun sign’s Taurus and my Ascendant’s Libra according to that system? I’ve never read up on those positions, so it’d be a interesting read for the night. Oh, and even in Draconic, my Ascendant has progressed straight to Pisces... IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 4568 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 21, 2017 01:28 PM
The time that u "waste" is worthwhile. Its time spent being you.I don't have psychic ability. So yes, it can feel like a "waste". But then again I think "whose time am I wasting really?" Your worth is not clear with Neptune influence in 1st house. But this "worth" is according to the world's standards. At least that is my take on it . I still believe this Asc is not all bad. Just like any other. Its just that the highly sensitive nature of someone born with it does not feel appreciated by the world. Nor knows how to have it work for them IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 2869 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted October 21, 2017 01:35 PM
No, you can't change the Ascendant in your chart, but yes you can change your personality -- But it does take a long time. What I recommend first is not viewing Pisces rising in purely negative terms based on your experience so far. Do your best to learn the better qualities associated with Pisces and develop those. Those will open your way out to a broader self-expression and changing your personality for the better. I have determined to change the qualities associated with my Moon in Capricorn. I lived with it well over 30 years and can tell you all the good qualities associated with it. However, in spite of those strengths I still carry, I came to admire qualities of people I know with Moon in Libra. So I am developing more of that. There is no magic exchange of one sign/personality for another. It takes real intention from a positive place of self-acceptance. Otherwise, what you have is conflict within yourself and wishful thinking that you were different. First recognize the positive potentials and strengths associated with Pisces rising. If you feel you have truly tapped that out, then absolutely -- communicate to the Universe that you are ready for a change. You might ask to be shown clearly so there is no doubt what sign mode best fills out your personality and self-expression. Once you have a singular clear impression, develop in that direction. A real change takes decades. This is soul development and evolutionary in significance. It takes time. So be sure first that it comes out of that -- from a self-acceptance place. ------------------ The Declinations Guy - Expert birth chart rectification Clickable Rising Signs ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 428 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 21, 2017 04:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by PiperDay: My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year. I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one?
Relocation astrology..... you will still have your natal placements etc..... but a shift if you move to another city/country.
Go to astro.com and check out the astrocartography section. I say this....... because when one travels the globe, the energies are different in different places.... if you go to a place in your Venus line you feel the Venus energy..... a Pluto line is draining and isolating etc.... a mars line could mean a place of conflict of energy generally speaking....but things manifest out in various ways.....
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 6903 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted October 21, 2017 04:32 PM
If you relocate , your ascendant will change in your relocated chart IP: Logged |
PiperDay Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted October 21, 2017 04:48 PM
Rechecked my natal and progressed. I'm an Aquarius ascendant who has progressed into a Pisces. No wonder why I'm not feeling comfortable about it. IP: Logged |
PiperDay Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted October 21, 2017 05:02 PM
I checked my astrocartography. Interestingly, the place I am at right now is a Mars/DS line. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 2869 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted October 21, 2017 05:13 PM
No one can change their personality by changing their location of residence. The Ascendant of the birth chart is set into the energy body and cells at birth because it is a function of the location of birth and the soul's choice of that relative to karma, soul family, and soul development. A person born a Pisces rising personality will remain that way no matter where on the globe they move. Otherwise we should all get relocation charts cast for every time we travel and stay a while somewhere. Do I become a Libra riser instead of a late Virgo riser because I vacation for a couple weeks in Italy? No. That's silly.This idea you can simply move elsewhere to change your Asc is fantasy. The astrological factors of your birth chart are set into place within you at birth. To change any patterns of personality requires Intention to change, development, soul growth. ------------------ The Declinations Guy - Expert birth chart rectification Clickable Rising Signs> ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 428 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 21, 2017 05:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by PiperDay: I checked my astrocartography. Interestingly, the place I am at right now is a Mars/DS line.
so what are your experiences on your Mars/ds line? Struggles? Have you traveled to other planet lines? Here is a thread on relocation charts http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209184.html IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 1457 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted October 22, 2017 10:40 AM
I hear you, original poster.I have some Pisces, and some people think I'm not all there in the head! IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 1624 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted October 22, 2017 10:46 AM
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PiperDay Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Jan 2017
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posted October 22, 2017 04:09 PM
Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have. IP: Logged |
Sagical Knowflake Posts: 428 From: Glenbow, Canada Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 22, 2017 05:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by PiperDay: Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have.
I've got another idea..... Try checking out different planet persona charts. Like Moon persona, Mercury persona etc..... see what comes up with that.... I have Venus in Pisces square to Neptune..... I don't believe that Pisces energy is bad.... just the fogginess of Neptune's influence is horrid..... ungrounded.... maybe somewhere there is a lesson to be learned within.... there is a reason why this energy exists.... if it exists... there is a purpose behind it. IP: Logged |
GrandFireT Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Out There Registered: Dec 2016
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posted October 22, 2017 06:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by PiperDay: Looking over this whole thread, I have discovered another Pisces trait: Wanting to be what you are not, and wanting what you don't have.
I have to wonder if that trait is unique to Pisces? IP: Logged |
GrandFireT Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Out There Registered: Dec 2016
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posted October 23, 2017 11:10 AM
Theodore Roosevelt had a good one-liner that addresses concerns similar to Piper's. “Do what you can, with what you've got, where you are.” I don't have the original text with that quotation, and I doubt TR was talking about astrology. However, his advice suggests to me that we should try to make the best of the natal chart that we've got. IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 876 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 25, 2017 10:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by PiperDay: My Pisces ascendant (It is in the first house on the cusp) is causing me grief because the descriptions are so accurate. I hate soaking up negative energies and being “psychic” and intuitive. By nature I am an extremely pessimistic person, so it is the negative energies of others that hit me the hardest. I also have Pisces in my second house. Not to mention Neptune is transiting my first, and will continue to do so until March next year. I would much rather have a Capricorn or Virgo ascendant. So is it possible to try and “modify” yourself to fit a certain ascendant to remove the characteristics of your real one?
Believe me, you don't want to be a capricorn ascendant. It makes for a dreary childhood and you have to work damn hard all your life. It's like being sentenced to a lifetime of hard labor. I do see your point about the difficulty of a pisces ascendant. The best advice I can give you is to tell yourself that the negative thoughts and feelings of other people belong to them only; they are NOT your feelings and thoughts. I think the biggest challenge of a pisces ascendant is learning to set clear boundaries. Do not let yourself become a "clone" of someone else. Be yourself at all times. IP: Logged |