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DannyCappy
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posted November 16, 2017 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DannyCappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I spent some time trying to learn it because there's some pretty cool things like the significator of soul etc but most of time is like watching a horror movie.

Western has some issues too but in vedic is too much.

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posted November 16, 2017 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm also interested in Vedic astrology for similar reasons, but it seems very difficult to find good sources to learn. Too many are loaded with simplistic interpretations of "fortunate"/"unfortunate" or "auspicious"/"inauspicious". Not useful to modern humanistic astrologers.

If you come across any sources that satisfy you and really have some (soul) substance to teach, please let me know. Email me through my site.

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posted November 16, 2017 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you tried KRS Astrology. I read a few of his books and watch some of his videos, he does a good job explaining things and tends to keep things positive.

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posted November 17, 2017 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second Krs and his youtube videos! Very insightful!

I too don't like terms like "malefic" and terms like that. I don't think one is doomed because of planetary placements etc!

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posted November 22, 2017 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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posted November 24, 2017 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like Kapiel too but I noticed that he is a super fatalist and he says a lot of ******** . He said that rahu in 7th house people should date 10,15,30 people to find themselves,have multiple affairs...be a ***** ,basically lol
If something you would lose yourself.

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posted November 24, 2017 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it could be considered that Vedic astrology is related to the Hindu religion, mythologies?

VERY colorful people. They have such superb myths, colors, arts.

Shiva, Vishnu, Varunna .... The Destroyers and The Balancers.

I love KRS...
I listened to a lot of his things a few years ago. He is SOOOO wacky!! ... and compassionate too.

KRS learned his own astrology from Sam Geppi.

Sam has an online (and on-campus?) school. Has written several VERY meaty textbooks. Has his own very methodical way of 'teaching' his brand of Vedic astrology.

(I haven't been able to afford those, nor Kapiel's book either??), so impressions I share are from using vids online mostly. On youtubes.

Oh! It's been a long time... but... I think I had seen that Kapiel also has a very informative website-- there used to be a link on youtubes.

I know and understand what you meant, Empty Spaces!! yep.
Sometimes I'd wonder how much of what seems to be his FINE and excellent dry-humor wit, and tongue-in-cheek comedic presentations, revealed some actual personal truths he's trying to share. It's conspiracy-like, and deliciously fascinating to consider.
And surreal!!!!! hahaha
**grounds self**


AND...

I really have found that there ARE some incredibly Beautiful and genuinely Loving (~~older???) Hindu Vedic teachers with vids online (youtubes). They ARE there to be found.

I've definitely noticed the subtle differences among the array.

There are some, that as they present intellectual material, you see/experience the Love they genuinely have inside them. Their maturity and long-lived life infuses their teaching AS they share what they know. There can almost be a very-fine jovialness within it. (yes, I was struck with that impression)

That one (I had come across) seemed to be able to relay 3D, perfectly 'awful' things -- yet I didn't feel that way about "myself" or my person.

Somehow, I hunch that some DO Understand the effects of their use of language.

In a skilled, mature, Loving, and mysterious way, some are able to lay out knowledge in a totally non-threatening way. (at least, to me).

Makes you feel they are 'beside' you in the journey of life, and you are not alone. I think that's an important skill or characteristic, in an astrology teacher.

Have a way of instilling strength and Faith in the Journey. That you can STILL 'do it'.

I find Vedic to have much more layered precision.

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posted November 24, 2017 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mirage.Happy to see you here.How have you been??

I will search for the other astrologers (Hindu Vedic astrologers) on youtube then.
Maybe I find one that I like I still have hope hahaha

I had an oracle reading about those myths a few months ago. (Shiva amd others) Pretty cool,I really enjoy it.

KRS was my favorite vedic astrologer,I also think he is funny and cool but lately I started to notice that he isn't SO different from the rest of them.

HAHAHA do you think he is hiding something?
I think he is trying to sound more funny than he actually is.Like there's no problem with that I just think he is trying to be less serious lol which I like but it can come out as something forced for some people,not authentic.

Coming back to the astrologers...All I met until now are very negative,as the OP said.Honestly I'm getting a little bit tired of astrology AND numerology for the same reason.People talk so so much about change...positivity/negativity and such things (very popular subject nowadays) yet they use all these methods as a set in stone **** .

I like to analyze my chart and see what I'm doing wrong,my failures. Because although is difficult to admit some bad stuff about myself that is the way to makes me/make us give a next step and change our lives.I find out that astrology can be an amazing self-knowledge tool for everyone but what is the point of living if everything is decided?We don't have free will at all? Maybe I'm just in denial? and we really don't,maybe we are here to just pay the bills so we are basically powerless here but I truly believe that God gave us one.

When I met astrology I thought
(unconsciously) that we didn't have choice, so I stood there sucking all the negativity that I've found.I didn't know much about life so I easily got stuck on limbo,feeling sorry for the things I "couldn't" change.

I wasn't leaving my authentic self and I certainly wasn't happy but according to some astrologers I had no chance at all to change it.I mean my chart is ME and somehow people don't change it.

For somebody that isn't in a good emotional state that is hell.I mean
we have our trials reflected on our natal chart,our failures especially the hardest ones, so for somebody on a bad emotional state that is bad news because if you see your temporary sorrow somehow reflected there and you blend it with the "set on stone assumptions" about you,you end up seeing everything as something permanent.Something you have no control over.While you could take all that bad stuff and try to trasnform it in something nice and positive.Or at lest try to lessen your tribulations by changing your behaviour.

I feel that astrology could be a GREAT source of help for people with challenging charts (and it was for me although sometimes I had to step back to not drown on the negativity).However those are the ones who get the most **** (obsviously lol) so most don't even come close to it.I mean they start to read astrology and BAM...darkess,darkness and more darkness.Bye bye.

Ps:I'm not saying to sugarcoat things.Lies don't make nyone progress.I just don't like the approach.

Most astrologers and even numerologists don't use the charts to improve people's lives as they claim(and here I'm talking about western too), to help them to face the problems and grow,they use it as something else.What is the real purpose of astrology then?"Here is your chart and this is who you are and there's no changing in the world,people don't change.We are not in constant movement so just give up"
"But hey I was accurate about your traits wasn't I??"

For many that's all that matters.

Lately I become more aware of why tons of people are so bitter towards astrology and don't even want to give it a try,I also understand why they say we are crazy because we believe in.I mean I still like astrology, it helped me a lot,still helping me but lately is getting difficult to run from all the darkness on it.It's literally in almost everything.

#This /\ probably has a lot of grammatical errors but I'm feeling too lazy to try to fix it,sorry

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posted November 24, 2017 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In a skilled, mature, Loving, and mysterious way, some are able to lay out knowledge in a totally non-threatening way. (at least, to me). you feel they are 'beside' you in the journey of life, and you are not alone. I think that's an important skill or characteristic, in an astrology teacher.

What you said is beautiful.Is how I see it too,some people are truly guiders.They have a gift.They don't want to just be accurate,they want to use the amazing tool they have to help others.Ann Perry from youtube is like that.She don't sugarcoat things and she doesn't like self-pit but you can feel the desire she has to help people with her knowledge.She tells you how to embrace your LP and get the most out of it.I want to have a consultation with her.Unfortunally she seems an exception to the rule.The only one I still following.

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posted November 25, 2017 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
I like Kapiel too but I noticed that he is a super fatalist and he says a lot of ******** . He said that rahu in 7th house people should date 10,15,30 people to find themselves,have multiple affairs...be a ***** ,basically lol
If something you would lose yourself.

LOL, yes I think you have to over look the sarcasm sometimes and get what he is trying to teach. I think it just means Rahu in the 7th is learning themselves through others or less about one's self as in I and more into others as we.

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posted November 25, 2017 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's funny but no.He said one person isn't enough for us.We want everything,we are insatiable lol the remedy for us is dating as many as possible.Then only then we can get marry.That's the remedy for no being cheaters.He doesn't say anything about learning the WE through friends,etc

I imagine those people that date somebody with NN in 7th house.They won't sleep for a week thinking about it hehe but that's was just one example anyway.That's s a funny one but there's more.

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posted November 25, 2017 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Interesting thoughts.... I'm a 'WE' kind of person too. I like stability, loyalty, honesty, and longevity in my friendships.

Out of curiosity, went to KRS 'tube this morning, after a long while of not seeing it. He's got all links there next to his intro sooo clear. No mistaking or too much guesswork.

Went to his website again. That man does a Beautiful and thorough work. Is a breeze to navigate.

Always First Class!
Virgo Moon approves!! LOL

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posted November 27, 2017 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DannyCappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting points of views here
I will check this guy and see what I think about him.

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posted November 27, 2017 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DannyCappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I'm also interested in Vedic astrology for similar reasons, but it seems very difficult to find good sources to learn. Too many are loaded with simplistic interpretations of "fortunate"/"unfortunate" or "auspicious"/"inauspicious". Not useful to modern humanistic astrologers.

If you come across any sources that satisfy you and really have some (soul) substance to teach, please let me know. Email me through my site.


Sorry for taking so long to reply.Yes it is very difficult and as you said there's no balance.It's too good or too bad hahaha
Sure, If I find good soul material I will send you

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posted November 27, 2017 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've read, Vedic is pretty negative because the Indian government system has been pretty strict/terrible for many decades. It's because of the caste system, I think, where people are pretty much born into a **** family with no hope or born into a wealthy family with plenty of hope and so Vedic astrology kind of tries to play on these hopes and fears that manifest in them. Have you noticed a lot of Vedic astrologers try to sell "gems" and other useless products with their readings? I think it's all apart of the scam. Vulnerable people in a caste system looking for answers to their problems, so they turn to astrology. The astrologer says they're doomed for life because they have *this* *one* *single* *placement* so why don't you buy this $400 gemstone to help improve your luck and change the fate of the stars? LOL


Jokes aside, I think vedic is a pretty knowledgable system and has definitely given even more insight on the beauty of the universe around us. However, that is only when I use generalized Vedic or interpret Vedic on my own. I try to stay away from any websites, videos, and forums full of self-made Vedic astrologers because they always find a way to put an extremely negative and fatalistic spin on the simplest things. I'm not saying astrology needs to be all sugary and sweet (that's impossible), but the extremely fatalistic outlook is just so unnecessary and definitely a scare tactic to keep people coming back to ask more questions and therefore give them more money, IMO.

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