posted November 18, 2017 02:35 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
Looks like this board is on a Pisces moon streak...

My question comes because of someone I know with Pisces moon in 12H. How do you, people with 12H and Pisces moon deal with depression? What can the relatives and friends do to help and support? I hear these stories about Pisces moon quitting addictions and rethinking their life, are these fake? How do we help these emotional garbage collectors to be happier with the reality of life?

---

posted November 18, 2017 02:50 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
Im not a Pisces moon but my moon is in the 12th so Im not sure if I qualify to answer this...

---

posted November 18, 2017 06:23 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
give it a shot, I'm ready to try anything

---

For me it's very hard to get people to make me feel better. I find that I deal a lot with my emotional issues by myself. I dont express my issues to people. Sometimes I find myself just wanting to tell a family member Im not feeling well just to get it off my chest so I dont feel completely alone, but sometimes advise doesn't help me, so Id rather have my family members support me by just being kind to me and also understanding. That's really all I can ask for. And for some comfort when I express Im bothered but not necessarily talking about it. I know it's hard because I sometimes feel worse when I do completely express myself. Inalso dont feel like anyone will understand me. I dont trust anyone since I dont think they will understand me and judge me. Im not good at expressing myself. As far as how I deal with depression, I havent really completely gotten over my depression. I feel it still lingers and effects my everyday life but I try to help myself by trying to change some negative ways of thinking that I feel partly caused my depression. I found a passion and became headstrong about leading a life for myself that I feel will make me feel good about myself and happy but without getting my hopes up. Because I still lack faith in good things happening. It's been a long process that led me up to this point but it still is a struggle on a dsily basis. I find I have to self nurture, but at the same time doing little selfless acts that make me feel good about myself. Like donating money to a dog shelter or homeless person, or caring for my dog. I only donated money like two times but still lol. I wish to do more like that in the future. Especially for animals. Self nurturing is very important though. So is self love. I feel like I have to feel happy with myself mentally and emotionally. I also listen to music and try not to let little things get to me that dont matter. Only be bothered by real serious issues. Also staying in touch with God. The only person that I can talk to and ask for help and really make me not feel alone. Hoping he understands. And importantly always remind myself when Im feeling unhappy about a small thing to be grateful and live in the moment. Be grateful that at that moment Im okay. Since I had a depression so severe it's left a scar on me, now everyday that I dont have to deal with something that severe I am grateful. So I try not to be a spoiled brat and enjoy the moment. I think that experience led me to see how nice it is to just enjoy the times when things are going well and know that things can be worse. I try not to forget that (:

posted November 18, 2017 10:05 PM            

I have moon in pisces square neptune. I experienced depression in my early 20s after a break up and it took me several years to get out of the depression but it made me emotionally resilient overcoming this. This year I also experienced mild to moderate depression for several months there and I do have my occasional mood swings that comes with the territory of been an empath as you absorb the pain of others easily. Both times I experienced depression tr saturn was squaring my moon btw.

I have never had problems with been addicted to substances.

Coping skills, developing a strong healthy ego and having a support system plus self care and good self worth are all key ingredients to managing your mood. The better you get at utilizing all these different components the quicker you bounce back from depressive episodes and mood swings.

posted November 18, 2017 11:08 PM            

Water signs tend towards moodiness. They are more comfortable with their highs and lows than any other element. This is normal for them.

What can you do? give them space to feel yucky if that's what they want, it passes and then the smiles come back.

posted November 18, 2017 11:35 PM            

For a Pisces Moon in 12th the quest to find some type of rhyme and reason or meaning for all the pain and suffering in their world as well as others, could help take the attention off of "reality" and how bad it can get.

A spiritual quest for inner soul revival could assist in drawing them out of where they are focused to a purpose that uplifts them and gives them meaning again.

I often think that we feel depressed because we do not see the world in a manner that inspires us. Nor do we recognize clearly our value in being born in it. Depression happens to idealists/perfectionists a lot-especially those who lack earth energy in their chart.

Most times people who are depressed are at a loss of changing "what is" and focus on that so much that it becomes what their life is about. With the next thoughts being of escape and/or suicide etc.

Many times suicide is not intending to kill oneself. But it is wanting to stop the pain or the loop of painful thoughts that inhibit one.

Its knowing that you feel so so bad that you want to instantaneously change the momentum of where your thoughts are headed because you know that u are supposed to feel good but don't.

Taurus energy often helps to mellow out the despondency. The earthy grounded nature of Taurus at its best recognizes the beauty of "what is" and connects with that-filtering out all that will ruin that inner equilibrium. Pisces can get stuck in the ideal.

posted November 19, 2017 12:27 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
SoulOfABird, it sounds like you are really making an effort to enjoy the current moment, and it sounds like a series of your own experiences made you come to this state. Does this mean that no one can externally influence this transformation?

---

Hmm 🤔 I think for me it's hard for someone else to help me, however a lot of people can be transformed and healed by someone since I think I tend to keep more inside to myself than the average person, which made my problems hard to deal with. But I do believe that I would be transformed in a different way if it was by someone else vs the transformation I had to have within me because I have to learn to help myself. But nonetheless the less I do believe that transformation has to happen by yourself. If someone doesnt try to help themselves no one can help them. No matter if someone else can help I believe you always have to try to help yourself first. Just an observation (:

posted November 19, 2017 12:35 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
SoulOfABird, it sounds like you are really making an effort to enjoy the current moment, and it sounds like a series of your own experiences made you come to this state. Does this mean that no one can externally influence this transformation?

---

Hmm 🤔 I think for me it's hard for someone else to help me, however a lot of people can be transformed and healed by someone since I think I tend to keep more inside to myself than the average person, which made my problems hard to deal with. But I do believe that I would be transformed in a different way if it was by someone else vs the transformation I had to have within me because I have to learn to help myself. But nonetheless the less I do believe that transformation has to happen by yourself. If someone doesnt try to help themselves no one can help them. No matter if someone else can help I believe you always have to try to help yourself first. Just an observation (:

posted November 19, 2017 11:42 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by hypatia238:
Both times I experienced depression tr Saturn was squaring my moon btw.

I have never had problems with been addicted to substances.

---

Just checking transits now and the only hard transits this moon degree is getting is a semisquare from Pluto at 23s and sesquiquadrate from Mars at 1°09s. There is a widening square from Pluto to his Sun that is passing, and I think that it could be that he is just tired of this. Pluto went over his MC when his issues started and soon was squaring his Sun and nPluto. I never had experience with Pluto in this way so have no idea how it feels.

quote:

---

Originally posted by hypatia238:

I am a mental health counselor and will say pain is part of life but all the ingredients I just gave make a difference on how often we respond to stress as creators instead of victims (e.g.drama triangle versus the empowerment dynamic).

---

posted November 19, 2017 11:50 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
Thanks everyone for replies. The person in question has their Pisces Moon square Jupiter (Gemini, 2H, orb 1°) and square Neptune (Sagittarius, 8H, 10°).

---

Jupiter multiples and expands what it touches so when it squares the moon the person may struggle with emotional regulation becoming teary easily, their emotions overwhelm them easily.

Add to that the high ideals and sensitivity of having the moon in pisces in the 12th squaring neptune and is a tough combo.

posted November 19, 2017 12:03 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
For a Pisces Moon in 12th the quest to find some type of rhyme and reason or meaning for all the pain and suffering in their world as well as others, could help take the attention off of "reality" and how bad it can get.

A spiritual quest for inner soul revival could assist in drawing them out of where they are focused to a purpose that uplifts them and gives them meaning again.

Is Neptune/Saturn in aspect to the person in questions Moon?

---

This definitely looks like the type of struggle this person is going through. I am just hoping they can find this meaning before becoming addicts and alcoholics, or suicidal.

posted November 19, 2017 12:07 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
Just checking transits now and the only hard transits this moon degree is getting is a semisquare from Pluto at 23s and sesquiquadrate from Mars at 1°09s. There is a widening square from Pluto to his Sun that is passing, and I think that it could be that he is just tired of this. Pluto went over his MC when his issues started and soon was squaring his Sun and nPluto. I never had experience with Pluto in this way so have no idea how it feels.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b]
I am a mental health counselor and will say pain is part of life but all the ingredients I just gave make a difference on how often we respond to stress as creators instead of victims (e.g.drama triangle versus the empowerment dynamic).

---

You cant save him and be their mental health provider as you will burn out and grow to resent them. You can provide emotional support and empower them to seek help. There are a lot of ingredients he has to internalize like I said and that process takes time and requires him to be willing, put in the effort and come see a therapist weekly so over time he is able to internalize the new tools taught.

You are telling him to focus on what he can control and commit to an action that supports his values but a process has to take place were he comes to understand why that is an important thing while he also internalizes all these other tools and ingredients that are also key.

He is going through a process of disillusionment and sometimes to get over it you have to go through it but eventually he needs to transition back to hope, faith and creating.

posted November 19, 2017 01:06 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by hypatia238:

For now encourage him to seek help, accompany him on his pain but don't give advice, model healthy coping skills and lead by example. I feel that is all you can do as his friend and what he needs from you.

---

posted November 19, 2017 01:08 PM            

I think what's important to me is that this is understood about me. That yes, I'll feel something strongly, and yes, it will affect me psychologically, psychically and physically. I can hold myself together when needed, but then, I need to go somewhere, hide, fall apart, and then stitch myself back together, and I feel okay again, for awhile. And the thing is, sometimes people have tried to cheer me, and I've been depressed - manic, in fact, for years, and sometimes I'll have better years, better weeks, and so on, but when I feel like someone is doing something with the *expectation* of me not being what I am, that really just doesn't help. It's conditional if it's done like that. Sure I can understand people being unhappy that I'm unhappy, but, it is what it is. Just take me as I am.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I have Pisces Moon in 9th H and Cancer Sun in 12th H.
When I am down (most of the time) I want to be invisible. I just want to stay in my room and listen to deep music for hours and hours. I get so lost. I wish I could be alone in the whole world or at least invisible to others..
I feel it when someone looks at me like he/she is asking "are you ok?" I wish they were so indeifferent that they wouldn't even look at me.
My problem is that most people feel like vampires sucking my energy, whenever I am alone I am so happy and I feel free.. I don't want any noise except from the music I like.

I wish people could understand me as well as I do. No one can make me happy unless he/she ressurects/revives my father or gives me at least a million dollars.. And no one can do any of these

---

I agree with all of this. Plus the million dollars. Maybe 500 million would be better...

posted November 19, 2017 01:18 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I wish people could understand me as well as I do. No one can make me happy unless he/she ressurects/revives my father or gives me at least a million dollars.. And no one can do any of these

---

See, this is the kind of comments make me so frustrated. Not to be rude, or hurtful, but death is part of life. And what will a million dollars do to change this? And if this is so key to happiness, why not create this reality? Why seek relationships/friendships if you (as all, not just you specifically) just want to be alone?

posted November 19, 2017 01:34 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
I can only hope this will eventually help, but it is hard to be an example all the time

---

I don't expect that, you do your best modeling healthy coping skills but the key is to encourage him to seek professional help. Is your role as a friend to provide some emotional support, you cannot be his only support system either. Is not your role or the therapist role to save him, he has to save himself but the therapist can provide a safe place for him to learn and internalize the needed tools and ingredients that will facilitate the process of him saving himself.

I feel he is making you anxious bc he is depending too much on you emotionally and is stressing you out hence why I emphasize he seeks help and you remind yourself you cannot be his only source of support. Honestly just accompanying someone on their pain comes a long way and redirecting focus to more positive things when he is negative is a great way to provide support as a friend.

posted November 19, 2017 01:46 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I agree with all of this. Plus the million dollars. Maybe 500 million would be better...

---

posted November 19, 2017 04:31 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MyRealName:
See, this is the kind of comments make me so frustrated. Not to be rude, or hurtful, but death is part of life. And what will a million dollars do to change this? And if this is so key to happiness, why not create this reality? Why seek relationships/friendships if you (as all, not just you specifically) just want to be alone?

And one other thing I notice, Plut0nian2, is you nPluto squaring your Sun? Are you going through some Pluto transits?

---

As for the money comment, for me at least, adequate money takes a load off a lot of things. I think anyone can attest that financial security is very important, especially for mental health.

Money doesn't equal spiritual happiness, of course, but it helps a whole lot in a lot of other ways.

I don't know what kind of life you've lead that could make it hard for you to understand this.

quote:

---

And if this is so key to happiness, why not create this reality?

---

If "reality" worked like that, then wishes would be horses and all the people working 2 jobs or more would be fine. I don't think you really understand. Not just what was said, but the world in general.

quote:

---

but death is part of life.

---

Indeed it is, however, often, Pisces moon feels quite intensely about such things. While I'm sure you mean well, it's not so simple. Logic is based on available information, but with other variables, it is quite logical for this moon, or any moon, to feel this way about it. Heck, anyone who's suffered the death of a loved one understands.

Has someone you loved ever died?

posted November 19, 2017 05:31 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Indeed it is, however, often, Pisces moon feels quite intensely about such things. While I'm sure you mean well, it's not so simple. Logic is based on available information, but with other variables, it is quite logical for this moon, or any moon, to feel this way about it. Heck, anyone who's suffered the death of a loved one understands.

Has someone you loved ever died?

I mean, jeeze, a girl I cared for as a sister was killed in a hit and run years ago and that **** still haunts me sometimes.

---

posted November 19, 2017 06:15 PM            

I think of my grandparents weekly and miss them but I handle death very well tbh. I tend to adapt quickly and understand is a part of life and handle it very well. I don't know why but I do. I still keep those who have passed in my heart, they will be a part of me forever but I was not emotionally affected in a negative way when they passed, I saw it as natural part of life and I have moon in pisces.

Moon in pisces can very adaptive and go with the flow and that is were their resilience comes from.