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Stellia
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posted December 01, 2017 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like this is an obvious question, but I'm going to ask it anyway in case someone else is also thinking of this.

Do transits to the ruling planet(s) of the chart have a greater impact than 'other' planets?

If so, how does that feel in that context. For example, does it feel like a regular transit to, say, saturn. Or does it get an ascendant-like boost as well?

Or is it just that the effect of that transit has bigger reach on your life in general?

Really interested on your thoughts as can't find much on this but I'm pretty sure it's a thing!

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posted December 01, 2017 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll use my own chart here since it is a good once. Yes, with Pluto in transit applying trine my natal Mercury -- principle of my Asc in Virgo and MC in Gemini -- I expect that there may be an added benefit, possibly even above its recent/current transit trine my Asc. I do think of it as an Ascendant-like boost, but I don't have high expectations for it doing a lot extra 'for me.' Instead, I see it as a concentrated learning opportunity and chance to communicate more effectively without a lot of pressure.

I'll pass on what it is like.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 06, 2018 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this is worth a bump as it is quite an interesting question.

Its hard to answer definitively on my side because Mars does aspect the Asc AND rules it. And so the current Pluto transit on Mars(square) is also square the natal Asc.

Its not easy to just let things go now. I am not necessarily on a war path. But I will not back down from someone who wants to start a riot.

I have always stated the Asc to be our default mode(we don't think to be the Asc but just are). So perhaps to people I look quite tense right now.

As I said, I can't be sure as Pluto is also on my cardinal T-square Moon,Merc and Mars.

Emotionally its really difficult though. I get so worked up about things I see on the news or read on Facebook. Its ridiculous.

I am thinking of giving up watching TV altogether so as to get a hold on my emotional volatility.

I will say that trans Pluto on Mercury in 2016 did feel like my communication was being micro managed.

I left a job because of this. And Mercury rules my 3rd and 6th house. I just couldn't stand how much I was being censored and told what to say.

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Lerena
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posted September 07, 2018 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't usually pay attention to transits to my chart ruler, because my chart ruler is Pluto. For some reason, transits to Mars don't seem to mean much to me even though it traditionally rules Scorpio.

The only transits to Pluto I've bothered checking are the conjunctions from Jupiter and Saturn. Saturn was checked, because I'm extra sensitive to Saturn transits for some reason and Jupiter since it's currently in Scorpio and could be potentially manifesting as some form of event.

Saturn in Scorpio was conjunct my Pluto in 2014. The most notable thing that happened was getting my wisdom teeth removed. I'm lost on how this relates to the transit happening in my 12th house.

Jupiter in Scorpio was first conjunct my Pluto in February this year around the time that I officially gave up finding a religion and fully embraced being spiritual rather than religious. While it was still in its early Retrograde period at the beginning of April, that's the general time frame for when I found out that I'm having a spiritual awakening.

Most of the time, it seems that transits to Pluto only mean something if there is activity from other transits around that time. This may be the case with the two transits I brought up too even though Pluto is my chart ruler. The generational transits Pluto conjunct Uranus and transit Pluto conjunct Neptune seem to be having a more personal effect on me than I expected them to. I think in my case specifically, I've probably had other things going on that increased the chances of these transits manifesting in a more personal way.

Transits to Venus seem to more reliably impact me. It means I can more easily tell that I'm going through a transit to Venus as opposed to a transit to Mars or Pluto and transits to this planet leave a more significant impact on who I am. My guess is this comes from Taurus being ruled by Venus and I have Sun in Taurus.

When Pluto in Capricorn was trine my Venus in 2011, I met my twin flame.

Uranus conjunct Venus is hard to interpret right now, because my boyfriend has been dealing with the square to his early Venus in Leo and i'm currently unable to tell the difference between how the transit is manifesting for him versus my conjunction. Unless my boyfriend and I break up at some point, I'm not sure if the conjunction to my Venus is going to manifest between my boyfriend and I since the Uranus influence on his Venus might be all that changes between us. If our relationship persists without additional changes, the conjunction could end up relating to my relationship with my twin flame instead.

Transit Saturn trine my Venus has been about evaluating whether or not I should keep dating my boyfriend and if we could ever last as a couple considering what I have with my twin flame. My boyfriend asking me if we could have an open relationship has helped a lot with that evaluation, but I still question the longevity of our relationship. My Kundalini awakening could have an impact on our decision to be with each other. I'll have to wait and see how it goes.

The squares from Uranus in Aquarius, Neptune in Aquarius, and the last time Saturn was in Leo happened when I was too young for them to mean anything significant. They happened when I was in high school so I didn't necessarily have zero relationship-related activity, just nothing special.

Neptune's sextile to my Venus seemed to manifest. I had a dream when this transit was going on that made me limerent again and I compare limerence to being on drugs without actually being on drugs. Dreams and drugs are both associated with Neptune. During the transit, I began to develop a greater value of bonds with family members, because my limerent object was very close to his family and Neptune was in the early degrees of my 4th house at the time. Saturn was opposing my Venus at the time too.

I usually know when something is transiting my Venus and that's why I can look back to so many past transits to Venus and pinpoint what happened during those transits: they made enough impact for me to remember those transits years later. I even picked up on asteroid Karma transiting it recently, because it felt like I was clearing relationship karma and then I found out Karma was transiting my Venus.

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Stellia
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posted September 09, 2018 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a spooky bump indeed given that I was looking for this post just this week but couldn't find it for the life of me!

Thanks for all the input - Kannon, anything interesting to report from Pluto trine your mercury yet?

Aries23 - I think this is the case a lot of the time for me that it can be tricky to isolate which planet is doing what.

Lerena - that's a lot going on! Is your Venus at 2deg Taurus? My sun is there, and moon at 2deg Leo, so have a full appreciation of the current transit chaos from Uranus. Uncertainty is the word.

Interesting that you don't feel transits to Pluto/Mars as much. Which houses does Venus rule in your chart?

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posted September 09, 2018 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Final thought - when considering a transit to a chart ruler, is it also worth 'reading it' as a transit to the ascendant?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 09, 2018 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^still a very good question. But can't be sure of the answer.

I would say yes in my case.Because of the relationship present in my chart.

But with that being said, another has Jupiter conjunct Asc and the Asc ruler is Venus.

I would look at transits to the above cases Jupiter as pivotal as its connection to the Asc is potent and makes it its default "ruler". Even though the ruler is Venus, Jupiter is closer to the Asc.

So the transit of planets to Venus may not affect the above spoken of native as potently.

And if there was no planet close to the Asc? Would Venus as ruler be stronger in effect in transit? I think so.

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posted September 09, 2018 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:
... Kannon, anything interesting to report from Pluto trine your mercury yet?

Not yet, thank you for asking.

Pluto 18CAP52-Rx is separating from its exact trine to my natal Mercury at 22° Taurus and towards trine to my natal Asc 17° Virgo. That means I'm experiencing more of its effects to my Asc, which I do appreciate in terms of regaining health, believe me.

I won't be able to separate the two transits fully until Pluto is in closer aspect to Mercury than Asc (21-26° Cap). That will begin January 2019 and go through 2021.

Asc (especially in earth sign) = body. Mercury = mind. So I am thinking that during this period I'll be better able to do the concentrating I need for some in-depth research projects; to make some transitions to more effective writing, but also speaking (or singing!). Good things to look forward to.

I think the basic question of this thread may ultimately be moot. What matters most in astrology is qualitative understanding of what is in our birth charts, in current planetary influences; what potentials they give, windows of opportunity they offer. Quality over quantity -- qualitative understanding rather than a comparative quantitative one.

I'm not convinced that the chart ruler by itself gains tremendously in natal strength simply by being the chart ruler. I've seen otherwise. But I am withholding judgment on this and will simply report what I experience, feel, and create during this Pluto transit to my chart ruler, Mercury.

If we determine such transits do have more impact, what will we do with that knowledge? It is a sliver of knowledge that may be meaningless by itself. Everything in astrology is context, context, context, and entourage (aggregate) effect. It seems unlikely that transits to chart ruler have a greater impact than to all other planets, including Sun and Moon, which are primary.

I think an argument could be made for transits by/to the prime loka planet could have a greater impact in a person's soul development this lifetime. Now I'm delving into something that comes from Vedic astrology, so I'll stop there.

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posted September 09, 2018 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:
Lerena - that's a lot going on! Is your Venus at 2deg Taurus? My sun is there, and moon at 2deg Leo, so have a full appreciation of the current transit chaos from Uranus. Uncertainty is the word.
My Venus is at 5 degrees, but I was keeping an eye on Uranus for a few days after it turned Retrograde, because I feel Retrogrades more strongly than anything else and an orb of 3 degrees seems reasonable to consider as being within orb. Some things have changed about my relationship though, most likely from the square my boyfriend is experiencing more than my conjunction. I'm not sure how the conjunction will manifest yet. I think it's going to manifest next year instead and I have no idea what could happen. If there's one thing I know about this transit, however, it's that something unexpected is going to happen. Of course, the unusual is normal with me.

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Interesting that you don't feel transits to Pluto/Mars as much. Which houses does Venus rule in your chart?
Venus in Taurus rules my 6th, 7th, and 11th houses. My 6th and 7th houses are ruled by Taurus and my 11th house is ruled by Libra. I'm still not sure why I seem to feel tranits to Venus more than any other planet. They seem to have the most impact for some reason and I'm at a loss as to why. It's possible that my Sun in Taurus has something to do with that, but somehow, it doesn't feel like that would be enough.

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posted September 09, 2018 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think....

My chart ruler Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sag at 5 degrees quindeciles my northnode and sentagon my venus conjunct mars plus it will conjunct my solar return DC coming up this month so when my jupiter return happens late November it should be interesting.

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posted September 15, 2018 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't know you were into Vedic, Kannon!

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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 16, 2018 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Something to add here.

Pluto sextile progressed Asc ruler(Venus). And it is square progressed Dsc co-ruler(Mars).

Now Mars rules my natal Asc. I am a little more "forward" with people lol. I have noticed this clearly.

Since this also affects my 7th, people who are around me are back to being upfront and honest(which is refreshing).

Sex drive has increased exponentially. Few "outlets" to quench it though. Lol.

Pluto is now in retro and will be opposing my Moon (ruler of my Ic). I am expecting more "honest" conversations i.e. heartfelt stuff.

I still maintain they do have an impact. But I don't know about "greater".

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