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hearttreasure
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posted December 10, 2017 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder, what would indicate that a Gemini sun can be good as a parent (placements or aspects)? Are they good in general? What is your views on them as a parent?

I have sun conjunct ceres in the 2nd house and moon conjunct jupiter in the 4th house. I am anxious about the abandonment to children (intellectually, spiritually, emotionally) as the one I'm dealing with sometimes do this to me especially when he doesn't want to deal with the issue we have or thing seems complicated (not saying the abandonment occur everyday, but only when we have some complex issue to deal with or to discuss with, for example: silent treatment, which in my mind can be a sign of abandonment, and others). I don't want children experience abandonment.

Would love to hear your opinion or experience about Gemini as a parent.

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posted December 10, 2017 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its ironic because my Aquarius friend was raised by a Gemini Mother and Leo Father.

Her mother was essentially a loon. Same with a coworker I know who had a Gemini mother too.

I don't hold a positive view of female Gemini mothers there somewhere between Madonna and a nervous wreck.

I'd assume the Gem both male/female would teach there kids to be independent free thinkers.

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posted December 10, 2017 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both my grandparents were Geminis. Two of their three children, imo, could've used stronger parenting.

Except for one uncle who is naturally sweet. Their other two children are incredible selfish, mean, and irresponsible.

I suspect they didn't know how to deal once their children started demonstrating negative characteristics.

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posted December 10, 2017 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they can be good parents, they're smart, so they can... My father in Gemini. He brought us travelling, doing things, going out, playing at home, he had many ideas. Some families never travel or never play together. As a Gemini, he's smiling and tells stories, jokes sometimes, and he takes news from me and my sister.
But he was also dominating and always having fights with my mother, quarrels, he's got his Sun square his Pluto, not easy.
As the Sun represents the husband, and the father, yes Sun is Gemini is a "father Gemini". He also has a new partner and a new daughter. Gemini often get married twice or several times, or can have many superficial relationships, or several relationships at the same time, or cheat on their partner. My father is one of those things, he had two "wives" (or partners with whom he has children)... well had one, my mother, and now have a new one.

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posted December 10, 2017 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@DualGemV2, even if they have Cancer placement somewhere in their chart?

*I'm still hoping hearing the good news about them as a parent though*

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I suspect they didn't know how to deal once their children started demonstrating negative characteristics.

This. This's I'm worried about. Sometimes when children start demonstrating negative characteristic, that's the time they need parents the most who can/should give them the guidance. I am worried I will feel alone when dealing the hard times in parenting role and the kids feel abandoned from their Father present in the bad times as I feel my Gem can be so cold hearted when he feels the pressure of something heavy in chest and thoughts by flying away to get away from the burden.

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@arcturus90, oh my, I also have Sun square Pluto WIDE aspect, it can be really tough, but I thank my parents parental cooperation as they give us a lot of unconditional love beside a lot of strict rules at home. Their love is as dreamy as fairy tale I feel. I have a very strong self control though, almost like a perfectionist, but I don't project it to others, I tend to be hard on myself to continually transformed/learn myself.

My Gemini had cheated on me in the past, but somehow after having through hard turmoil in the relationship, we're still trying (he doesn't want to let me go, it's weird after intense situations we had) but I keep my eyes open all the time because I still keep seeing his old pattern here and there.

Your Father looks like taking a role of a fun friend than a good example of a parent to his children I see from your description of him, but I don't know, how do you feel about it?

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posted December 11, 2017 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the Gemini parent is more like a good friend, than a strong parent.

Politics aside, Donald trump is a Gemini. The way he tells it, he raised his children to be responsible, well adjusted members of society. Ivana tells a different story; Donald was gone all the time, the burden of raising the Children fell on her. Marla tells a similar story; Donald provided financial support, but she did the day-to-day raising of Tiffany. The same pattern is emerging with Baron...he is Melania job.

A Gemini parent's strength is in helping kids be kids. They are great at play, and lightening things up. Discipline and structure will have to come from you.

I saw a video some where that said; If the kid is hungry or in tattered clothes, it's the Dad's fault. If the kid can't read or is rude, it's the mom's fault.

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posted December 11, 2017 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Your Father looks like taking a role of a fun friend than a good example of a parent to his children I see from your description of him, but I don't know, how do you feel about it?"

No I don't see him as a friend, at all, but you're right, he seems to act like a friend with my sister (and she does too, or she seems to, I don't know)... I don't see the way he acts, as a friendly behavior. It seems normal to me. He doesn't tell very funny jokes sometimes, lol... and he tells them to my mother too, us three (sometimes funny but not all the time)... And playing is normal, it's not acting like a friend, we did some boards games, cards, darts game, and maybe others... And watching films each Saturday, also. Those are hobbies a father do with his children, not necessarily a father who acts like a friend.

About Pluto square Sun, yes I think it's tough, I dont have this aspect (I've got Sun trine Pluto, but 6° orb), but I've got this on one of my progressed chart (as there are several, I know two kinds of progressed charts. I'm talking about the one where one degree = one year, for each planet), it's going to take an end in 5 or 4 years...

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posted December 11, 2017 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do Gemini suns get such a bad rep?

It puzzles me. I love Geminis. Especially my mom.

She definitely encouraged independence and free thinking but was also a very nurturing mother - She has Virgo Moon conjunct ASC and Cancer Venus/Mars and Taurus Mercury.

But there is a lot camaraderie between us - almost like siblings, then again she is only 18 years older than me.

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posted December 11, 2017 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad is a Gem Sun, Leo Moon. He’s kinda erratic, talks big words and follows up with little action, has MANY friends and can have a fierce temper (hello, Cancer Mars!). He does have a soft and kind heart and will help you as much as he can. When he’s stopped talking..

He’s also passive aggressive and will hold a grudge for.ever.and.ever :-/

He’s basically only taught me one thing and that was: don’t cry over men because MOSTLY, we are not worth your tears.

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posted December 11, 2017 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
@DualGemV2, even if they have Cancer placement somewhere in their chart?

*I'm still hoping hearing the good news about them as a parent though*


As many people have mentioned they are more of a friend then an actually parent.

I don't have kids. My Neice and my nephew are the closest thing to kids to me right now and they pretty much see me as an older friend with some cash, lol.

My concern is they might play a little psychology in where the child will grow up treating the Gemini parent as there friend and loathing the other parent since the other parent will do most of the disciplining.

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Why do Gemini suns get such a bad rep?

It puzzles me. I love Geminis. Especially my mom.

She definitely encouraged independence and free thinking...


That's what puzzles me about July born Leo's. I know one that's a complete book worm to the point she became a store manager of Indigo books (Canada's largest book retailer).

My coworker whose old enough to be my mom loves the Discrete Math puzzles I have to do for school while I'm just annoyed by them. For example prove 3 people that hate each other won't cross paths. Answer planer, biparte graph and Euller's graph Theory.

I'm starting to think July borns are more intellectual then the mid-late August borns and thats where the connection lies.

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My dad is a Gem Sun, Leo Moon. He’s kinda erratic, talks big words and follows up with little action, has MANY friends and can have a fierce temper (hello, Cancer Mars!). He does have a soft and kind heart and will help you as much as he can. When he’s stopped talking..

He’s also passive aggressive and will hold a grudge for.ever.and.ever :-/

He’s basically only taught me one thing and that was: don’t cry over men because MOSTLY, we are not worth your tears.


Its funny you say that My niece that is also a Gemini has noticed my friendly and angry streak.

I was also going to say the same thing to my Gemini niece about men, too lol.

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posted December 11, 2017 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for missblyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom is a gemini and she was pretty much a dream mom! She was LOTS of fun, really a child at heart.. We did go through some hard times when I was in high school bc I was a crazy piscean who wanted to drop acid lol.. She was very strict with me and it was a battle. However, it is interesting to note that she loosened her reigns a LOT with my brothers.. She actually just smoked a joint with my 16 year old bro lol... So BIG difference. She does have a cancer moon though... Couldn't ask for a better mom. She's very supportive and nurturing. Biggest downside to her is she can be a perfectionist.

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posted December 12, 2017 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, the Gemini parent is more like a good friend, than a strong parent.

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A Gemini parent's strength is in helping kids be kids. They are great at play, and lightening things up. Discipline and structure will have to come from you.

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Do you think maybe the Gemini copy the parenting style from their parents? As, to be honest, due to their adaptability they can suddenly take other people's personality and then get lost in it, not knowing who they really are as they meet/talk with a lot of people or later developing split personality.

Even what you say is almost similar to what I capture from my Gem saying, but, I notice that it is also similar with his parent's parenting style.

He said to me that kids should be allowed to do whatever they want to do and go wherever they want to go without any rules from the parents, they should experience everything so they can learn by themselves and if they do bad things, they should deal with their own problems by themselves, they should take their own responsibility so they learn to be independent.

And I see his mother do the same thing to him (can't talk about his father as he looks like having estranged relationship with him).

*I am just wondering what's his mother's sun sign? *

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Those are hobbies a father do with his children,
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I see. I think I can understand.

My Father has Aqua moon and if my friends come visit me at home, he suddenly acts like "OUR" friends, it's funny sometimes. He may suddenly come to us, smiling offering foods or asking what are we doing and if it is a homework he wants to join helping us or if we only want to hang out at home, he will be here and there checking us. But he always keeps the distance, not too close and not too far, so I still feel I have some space with my friends, but he can talk with my friends like a friend, really.

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Why do Gemini suns get such a bad rep?
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Having a relationship with a Gem, I think I can understand why they can get such a bad rep. lol.

I mean, I can understand both sides, the agree one and the disagree one.

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My dad is a Gem Sun, Leo Moon. He’s kinda erratic, talks big words and follows up with little action, has MANY friends and can have a fierce temper (hello, Cancer Mars!). He does have a soft and kind heart and will help you as much as he can. When he’s stopped talking..

He’s also passive aggressive and will hold a grudge for.ever.and.ever :-/

He’s basically only taught me one thing and that was: don’t cry over men because MOSTLY, we are not worth your tears.


The first paragraph is what I feel and experience too.

Holding grudge for ever and ever is that fixed moon sign strengthening it..

My brother has mars in Cancer too, and, yeah, he said on the phone one time to me that man is not worth your tears and they will never ever be changed, only in a super rare downfall intense life changing moment they will be changed, but it won't because of you. I wish I took his advice two years ago (when he found out I cried often with my relationship) and RUN fastest before it becomes this deeper.

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posted December 12, 2017 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My concern is they might play a little psychology in where the child will grow up treating the Gemini parent as there friend and loathing the other parent since the other parent will do most of the disciplining.

This is interesting.

I've seen this behavior too, but in a different occasion, it was when he tried to compete with me in the office (when we were still work together). I actually noticed that he wanted all the attention on him and he wanted to be alike so much (although at the same time, he tried to avoid heavy responsibility) but I had been there longer than him and he saw me as a well-liked person, relax, and life looked good on me. He was jealous and it was gone too far that he was spreading bad gossip about me to the colleagues while he knew nothing about me at all.

I think, I can see this. Didn't know if it's called psychology games, I also had a hard time to define it first. I wondered a lot.

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My mom is a gemini and she was pretty much a dream mom!
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lol. I think because of Saturn is making aspect to my Asc, moon, mercury, and venus, paralleling mars, I think I prefer a mature at heart as a parent.

My cardinal moon itself has a childlike trait..

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posted December 12, 2017 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hearttreasure.

I don't understand your Gem. I've always viewed Aquairans as one of the best signs to ally with not form a competition.

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posted December 12, 2017 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@DualGemV2,

I don't understand either. I'm just assuming that he tried to compete as he tried to bring me down at work. I think it's kind of a power games or his controlling behavior as he didn't enjoy his life as much as I did at the time.

OR

(I just don't understand "irrational" things, so, tell me what it is...) He wanted me, but due to his insecurity that his ex cheated on him, he accused me a lot of cheating or tried to find my cheating behaviors to justify his negative mind. But also, I didn't know that he kept the communication with his ex and I found out they never really broke up. I confronted both of them as I wanted to know both side of the story and didn't want to defend one of them as I felt cheated and lied to. He didn't like me calling her as he said it was hurting her. Truth hurting her? Lies hurting me the most and what about my feeling about their lies? I felt hurt too. But he didn't care at all to my feelings, he even called me crazy, mentally ill woman to his ex. So we broke up and I gave him the coldest shoulder at the office but I still kept it professionally (like, if there were other people at the office, I still kept it cool with him) as I didn't like attracting drama. I kept going out with my friends, backpacking, and pursued my postgraduate. That was the time he started to gossip about me in a bad way and tried to bring me into conflict with his office mate. DRAMA. It forced me to leave the office as it was so bad. I kind of still hold the grudge about it though. lol. I mean, about me leaving the office. LOL.

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posted December 13, 2017 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Hearttressaure.

I don't know..with my Aqua friend she pretty much knows or understands the way I think.

...and as much as I regret to say some power over my decisions. She's stopped me from running away from things half the time.

You really need that before anything can happen.

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posted December 19, 2017 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, after awhile...

Is it bizarre that the Gemini is suddenly changed after he learns that his partner is conceiving or he learns that he will be a parent? I mean, like, he is starting showing that he wants to involve in everything and sometimes the chase can feel overwhelming.

Or is this just a temporary change, like, we all know that Gemini can be so adaptable to every situations?

How would I know if it is a sincere action from a Gemini who is known to lie a lot?

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posted December 20, 2017 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part of me thinks he'll show initial interest, but once it gets to demanding he'll want to flee.


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posted December 20, 2017 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's not just about the sun sign sheesh....

I'm a gemini sun (in the 8th), moon in virgo and cancer venus. I'm incredibly nurturing and kids love me.

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posted December 20, 2017 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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it's not just about the sun sign sheesh....

I'm a gemini sun (in the 8th), moon in virgo and cancer venus. I'm incredibly nurturing and kids love me.


Gender make a difference thought were referring to a Gem Male, not Female.
Your a Female Gemini, I'm male.

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posted December 21, 2017 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealsaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mom is a solar Gemini, also has a Sag Moon. She was always more of a friend than a strict parental figure.

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posted December 21, 2017 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Part of me thinks he'll show initial interest, but once it gets to demanding he'll want to flee.

I don't know why but it feels like we almost always have the same thoughts to answer things. I have it in the back of my mind too but I feel like I need some reassurance of insight as sometimes I need two or more views to process my own conclusions.

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it's not just about the sun sign sheesh....

I'm a gemini sun (in the 8th), moon in virgo and cancer venus. I'm incredibly nurturing and kids love me.


Yes, it is not only about the sun sign. But sometimes you still can not avoid your sun sign personality as part of your behavior.

My Gemini has Mars in Cancer and Mercury, but still, he is a Gemini, the run away thing (even in the small tiny doses, but you can see they NEED some time to be away to deal with heavy things then maybe or maybe not come up with how to get out) and the teenager soul are still there.

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My Mom is a solar Gemini, also has a Sag Moon. She was always more of a friend than a strict parental figure.

My Gemini has moon in Sag too. Well, ok then, but if you don't mind to share, is she stable with those opposite energy in parenting? is she moody?

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posted December 22, 2017 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't know why but it feels like we almost always have the same thoughts to answer things. I have it in the back of my mind too but I feel like I need some reassurance of insight as sometimes I need two or more views to process my own conclusions.

Its Ironic because I always turn to my Aquarius friend when I need reassurance.

If you don't feel comfortable with him as a parent do what your instinct senses.

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posted December 24, 2017 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@DualGemV2:

My air mercury is in 3rd house and it's sextile to uranus. My way of thinking can be so wide with information and very active, and for me a long term decision is a very serious matter as I also can be fixated and don't want to regret it later.

My gut feelings tell me this but also I need to think what is the best (long-term) to the future. I may know what's best for me but I may wrong to decide what's best for the baby.

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