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arcturus90
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posted December 19, 2017 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, do you think I would be allowed to write an astrology book even if I haven't done any training in astrology ? I studied astrology by myself... Please answer what you think of it, even if you're not sure...

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posted December 19, 2017 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Allowed? You mean "seeking permission"?

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posted December 19, 2017 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Allowed? You mean "seeking permission"?



I just wonder if it's possible to write an astrology book if I didn't do any training of astrology... what do you think of it ? Can you give an answer ?

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posted December 20, 2017 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You bet! Who says you can't?

Can you be a psychic without having any formal education? Of course!

People are born with gifts and passions, why not use them.

I've never picked up a book, especially astrology and wondered what their level of education was to be able to write a book.

I've done so much study in Complimentary medicine, just to get the paper to be able to be insured so I can treat. The whole education system in the industry is such a farce! It is just self serving.

I am sure there a plenty of self taught Astrologist's on this site too.

You can probably easily get your book published on Kindle too.

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posted December 20, 2017 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you know about astrology, then you can write about it. You don't need to have formal schooling in order to write a book.

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posted December 20, 2017 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your replies,TaurusVenusGirl and Astra, that comforts me a little bit... But astra you don't seem to be sure. I should maybe ask an astrologer or someone working in a publishing house that publish astrology books... But maybe I would like also to be an astrologer (but differently : I would send things by email or letters, to take time to work on their chart), and so I would need to do a training for this (or if I don't have to, I would prefer to)...

Oh yeah that's right, I wrote "even if you're not sure".. But thanks to your replies I know that maybe I can write one.

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posted December 20, 2017 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Training in astrology? As in practicing reading someone's chart?

If that's the case, I think it would help to have some training to build confidence in your work, as to anything self-taught.

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posted December 20, 2017 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody can publish a book.

Anybody can set up their own website to sell astrology products.

You don't need to prove any basic-knowledge, or pass a test to do so.

Some people who don't know ANY (or, very little) astrology can make some money, by clever marketing.

Newbies seeking out an interest in the field, (if they have funds) will purchase any books/products without having screened the author for credentials.

Having a book published or hanging up a shingle of yourself an astrologer, is actually a 'business' investment in a license, or contracts made. Lots of money goes IN before results. You have to do the research INTO publishing, INTO being a business with a plan. Lots of investing. No shortcuts.

So... A person can have their business set up.

HOWEVER

it does NOT imply that you ACTUALLY know and have authority and mastery over the subject you teach (through your book?).


WHEN you publish it--- Be sure to know that this is a permanent statement about what you know, and your ability as a professional in the field.

What you are presenting NOW, might come back to haunt you later down the career path-- ESPECIALLY being a young person, with Potentials.

A quick-book could be accepted in a "fluffy" way by newbies who know nothing about astrology.... but ultimately, your work will be judged by peers and proofs when you are at a certain level.

You can have a quick-following for yourself now, (and hope you have enough devotees to make a living at it, roof over your head).

What you publish (book/website/videos) become a 'record'.

Another thing to consider are the disgraces, not just to you-- (because the MORE you learn, the MORE you find out what you 'don't know'? LOL)-- but, adding to the dissolution and fall from grace to the "Art and Science" of astrology itself. Lowering it. Making it flat. (And sometimes, just 'wrong'-- but you don't actually KNOW that UNTIL you've spent years in it.)

We might be actually seeing the 'closing' of astrology for the era?, because of too many hybrids, lowering its refinement.

As I wrote to you in a different thread--
In order to gain Respect in the WIDE established thousands of years of pioneers, you have to 'prove' you know what you are speaking about BY passing the initiations... Peer-review and being examined.

In your self-study, WOULD you be able to take a 'standard' test and prove that you understand the 'traditional' ways, first--

THIS simple passing of a test, can OPEN the door that would allow the true Masters of the Art and Science, to LISTEN to your Hybrid (variations).

After all ---- Saturn... is in CAPRICORN now.
You BUILD your reputation by passing the standards-- the bar already set by counsel of elders (peers).

THEN, you can dazzle by being the Rule-Breaker, in Perfect Respect and Order.

IN-clude the Elders, not exclude... so that any kind of Innovation you make could Stand and prove Worthy of Honor, Assets, and Be Valuable to the Future of the study--- for others, and not just for your own excited and enthusiastic self, in-the-moment.

Be Careful, and Think about your LONG TERM Reputation.

You are Building your Reputation.

I'm thrilled that you are Growing in the Field, to the point where you are thinking of writing a book on it.

I wish you EVERY Good Fortune.

(music) Variations on the Theme of Paganini (Hilary Hahn) [12:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpnIrE7_1YA

REF this response to you too, in another thread... on "Karma"
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003233.html

ALSO...
Get a Subscription to The Mountain Astrologer.
They have had a guest columnist talk about the 'harder realities' of trying to become a successful astrologer (full time).
Worth looking into, and considering, if this would be a goal you make.

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posted December 20, 2017 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mirage, that's pretty helpful for me...
If I write a book, I will be careful of what I will be writing, I will not make people believe false things. I'm interested in astrology since 2008...
But I didn't understand the business part for writing an astrology book : I'm not good at "business"... I don't know many things in business... The thing to do is sending my work to an publishing house, isn't it ?
About The Moutain Astrologer, is it enough to become an astrologer ? Is it a magazine (I've just looked on internet) ? I think an astrology training would be better... Or I don't know... Plus I would do a training in my language (french)... And write a book in my language also, of course. Send it to a french publishing house. (If it's ever possible being published, of course.)

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posted December 20, 2017 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Training in astrology? As in practicing reading someone's chart?

If that's the case, I think it would help to have some training to build confidence in your work, as to anything self-taught.


Yes as practicing reading someone's chart, and learn things I don't know yet... Practicing the astrologer's job... If I do this one day (I don't think so, but anyway... maybe write an astrology book but I don't think I'll ever be astrologer)...
Self-taught ? Publish myself my book ? Why would I do this ? Is it better ? Do I have no choice ? Is it good ?

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posted December 20, 2017 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arcturus.... You made my Day!

So happy that you've found things I've said helpful.

TheMountainAstrologer (aka TMA) is a 'trade' magazine, published every other month. They have articles on astrology for solid (and advanced) beginners, all the way to professional levels. Even have astrological cartoons, ~corny ones-- silly? but you gotta find the humor in things too. Humor can teach.
They do book reviews.
Many schools of astrology, and astrologers selling products, have ads with contact information in that bi-monthly publication.
Have a Celestial events section in the back. Moons, eclipses, etc.
They started an electronic version of this magazine. Features extra articles not published on paper.

I tried to look for the article on astrology businesses, and, the magazine's website looks scrubbed and stripped down -- from what once held a wealth of information...

If they turn 'for pay' -- I WILL REMOVE ALL references to them from LL.
(So, please don't quote their name. haha, they'll have to convince Randall to let them buy a banner!!!)

Here in the US, you can find TMA at Barnes and Nobles-- or some metaphysical bookstores (not all carry them).

You can learn some bits of astrology reading that (and other) trade magazines, and stay in touch with latest trends.

Astrodienst ( www.astro.com ) (a site based in Europe) now feature articles from TMA -- as well as British professional trade journals.
.. If you explore menus at Astrodienst, you can find articles and some astrology lessons there. They list schools that teach astrology online (or on campus). I believe you could read it in your native language. They have a forum there...
Some in French, I think? Portuguese, Italian, German, and other languages.

There are some professional organizations you might want to explore membership with.

One is called 'ISAR' (international).
Read about it here...
- http://www.isarastrology.org/International-Astrologer

Through that site, they have portals to others.

~

There's an LL member named 'Pearlty' in the Yellow Wax forum here (writings-- poetry, short stories, lyrics, by LL members). SHE has self-published some poetry books, AND has had recent experience using an outside publisher.

You (anyone) could go to YW and start a thread, asking questions about publishing. We could use it as a reference to link to. Bump it a few times a year.
.. I know there have been a scattering of information within some threads about publishing.
.. Yellow Wax would be a good place to gather those together, and add more info as it appears.
{{Just an idea.}}

Look around that ISAR link, and Astrodienst, Arcturus.

If I see more things to add for you, I can bookmark and bump this thread.

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posted December 21, 2017 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About this magazine, some people became astrologer just by reading this magazine, and doing no training in astrology ?

I know astrodienst, I use it for asteroids only...
In France their are a few interesting schools : "IEA de Nantes", they used to have a class where they used to teach astrology, but not any more... Now they give only correspondence courses. And their is one or two interesting more...

Can you tell more about ISAR ?
How comes you know so well about becoming an astrologer or studying astrology ? Did you do a training in astrology ?

Thanks again for those informations ^^

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posted December 21, 2017 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by arcturus90:
About this magazine, some people became astrologer just by reading this magazine, and doing no training in astrology ?

No. Not at all. It's "just" a magazine.


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Can you tell more about ISAR ?

I invite you to EXPLORE the link for yourself.


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How comes you know so well about becoming an astrologer or studying astrology ?
Did you do a training in astrology ?

I have gradually and slowly been learning 'on my own', as you have.

Printed out my first chart November 6, 2007,
just out of wanting to 'learn something NEW' and fresh for me.

Started following the horoscopes...
Signed up for a newsletter...

Started to note that sections seemed copy-pasted--- 'patterns'! I thought the person putting her newsletter together was having computer glitches. Copying errors!!

I went deeper, borrowing books from library.
Soon I was seeing and buying them at yard-sales, used bookstores, etc.

I began being more serious about it during the week before Spring Equinox a few years later.

My interest grew and climbed GRADUALLY.

Astrology Lessons???
NO---- WAY WAY WAYYY too expensive.

Been catching free classes that some astrologers use to entice people into their class-groups, clubs, etc.

I've learned a lot of astrology through listening to youtube astrolgers who give 'general' readings, and endeavoring to fit it to my own natal chart.

There are sooo many layers to learning the material. It all BUILDS on itself.

Even the excursions I took into astrology that was TOO ADVANCED for me, helped me 'see' where the beginner material was going to wind up. Paid off later, when I suddenly realized I knew the vocabulary and context it is used in.

Knowledge seemed to blossom.

There is STILL so much to learn.

I'm just glad that I found it during a time in my life where I needed to put some pieces together, to make sense of what had happened to me.

I've noticed (in some groups) that Christians are not accepted in some of their circles. Some schools seem oriented primarily to serve those students involved in eastern religious philosophies and devotions.


But ..... I think I may have found a niche. A group of people who accept whatever the religion background observance is.

We can honestly Love each other, and say and exchange greetings of Namaste, and God Bless You, and REALLY mean it on a Heart level.

Working Together!

So Arcturus...

There are asteroid teachers out there too.

FIRST though... Learn those basics VERY VERY well, inside and out. All else will fall in line, more easily.

How did you get into astrology?

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posted December 26, 2017 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 26, 2017 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not "bump", I'm replying... I didn't have time before Christmas.

I was sceptic about astrology at first, I wasn't inserted in it at all, then someone I trust said it's true and so I started getting interested in this, in 2008 I think... I bought my first astrology book, a great book with descriptions of the signs and the 7 first planets in signs, sun in houses, and descriptions of sun + each ascendant... Great book, "votre portrait astrologique" from Isabelle Tessier du Cros. I wrote her and told her I like her book, she replied and was nice. It's all damaged now and I wanted to buy one new but they don't make this book any more. I recognized myself very well on the descriptions so I began to believe in astrology. So you were inserted in astrology in 2007, about the same period as me...
I bought an other book, not really good, maybe made just for money, but I like it either because that's the second one I bought (or I bought it on the same time as the first)...
I borrowed book in library too. An astrology lessons I wouldn't have done this neither, because it's not free and I can just learn astrology by myself.
On youtube, their is an woman talking about astrology, and what she says seems interesting (I've just watched a few videos yet) : Jewel. Do you know her ?

I'm not really a beginner I would say... I know more than basic things in astrology... But I don't know all the secrets in astrology of course. Like I don't know if we can tell future, if this is possible OR if we can say things that MAY happen, and be not sure. Anyway. And I don't know everything like horary (but I'm not really interested in this) and vedic astrology in which I'm really not interested in but it's not occidental astrology so it doesn't matter.

Asteroid teachers ? Where ? You mean, on this website ?

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posted December 26, 2017 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I would investigate more than a thousand charts to notice all the trends and I would also study the astronomical part of astrology before even considering the idea of writing a book.

I do think anybody who has been into astrology for few years can write a book, but what sort of book would it be ? Ofcourse there are some geniuses who can get very deep into astrology within few years but they should be considered an exception to the rule. Personally I used to be totally floored whenever I read Lonake's( former LL member) analysis of charts and placements here.
I think there are astrologers who write books and articles written on astrology without doing any proper reasearch and can't even back it up with facts. Ofcourse some do rely upon their intuition to get astrological insights, but if you're going to write a book, facts are a must.
And some write books full of their own prejudices against certain placements combined with self-made bull$hit which they can't back up with facts.

So my answer is, it depends on the kind of book you want to write. Not trying to discourage you by the way, but it totally depends on what kind of book you want to write.

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posted December 26, 2017 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Personally, I would investigate more than a thousand charts to notice all the trends and I would also study the astronomical part of astrology before even considering the idea of writing a book.

I do think anybody who has been into astrology for few years can write a book, but what sort of book would it be ? Ofcourse there are some geniuses who can get very deep into astrology within few years but they should be considered an exception to the rule. Personally I used to be totally floored whenever I read Lonake's( former LL member) analysis of charts and placements here.
I think there are astrologers who write books and articles written on astrology without doing any proper reasearch and can't even back it up with facts. Ofcourse some do rely upon their intuition to get astrological insights, but if you're going to write a book, facts are a must.
And some write books full of their own prejudices against certain placements combined with self-made bull$hit which they can't back up with facts.

So my answer is, it depends on the kind of book you want to write. Not trying to discourage you by the way, but it totally depends on what kind of book you want to write.



Yeah I have ideas of the kind of astrology book(s) I want to write. But I prefer the idea of writing all kind of things and descriptions in astrology, not only in a specific subject. And I try to understand astrology by myself, I don't know if I can call this "research"...

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posted December 27, 2017 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I can take the liberty, I want to say that I tend towards being a 'traditionalist' when it comes to astrology. I know there are folks out there now who are making up their own new meanings.... calling it 'intuitive'. There ARE some very fine astrologers that I trust, who DO those kinds of interpretations... And, I say that it's preferable that get to know the traditional FIRST. {imho}. Otherwise it is NOT true astrology?

I have heard a handful of vids from the person you mention.. She has changed somewhat from her beginnings. For me personally, just, not a fan. But she speaks to some people. That's what matters.

I had noticed that you sparked an interest the same year that I did --- that is why I did some in-depth posts about my beginnings (in other threads I noticed you in). Yes, it took me a while to get around to getting more serious about it.
{The environment I live and study in is very difficult sonically for my sensory-system (nerve) and I can barely stand it some days-- so, it drastically affects how much I can do, and the quality of it. Please forgive me.}

You are French.

Have you ever seen that Astrodienst www.astro.com has the 'option' of reading materials in French?

They have a forum there. If you go to the forum, you'll find posts in various languages.

They have articles available (which you could read translated into your language-- I think).

Asteroids are a whole other separate part of astrology, that is gaining interest among some.

There are a good number of VALUABLE asteroid sites...

If in introductory stages.... delve into this one.

Asteroid Goddesses, by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch, I would highly recommend it. I don't think it is printed in another language other than English? It's my favorite book for asteroids.

- http://demetra-george.com/

There are other teachers too....
{I can't really take the time to dig those resources up right now.}

She's more advanced????? but this one for folks who read this thread and maybe haven't seen this person's work-- http://melaniereinhart.com/GC-Centaurs.htm


There have been threads recently where I left video teachings and information.

(Mostly, I have referenced those in MoonMystic's threads--- here in astro2.0 and in asteroid astrology forum.)

Here is a valuable daily broadcast...
He also has a monthly video he's done for years. You can follow his links in video to other site he has.
Rick Levine been one of my favorite teachers, over the past 7 or 8 years now?
I'd have to credit him for helping me understand the way astrology works, day by day.

- http://www.stariq.com/pagetemplate/main.asp

Again... I want to caution you about books you might write.
Remember.. your Reputation is the most important part of your worth and value. If people can't trust you, they won't refer you.

You can 'make money' in the instant (if that's all you would be interested in)... but your work WILL be examined by professionals in the field.

If you would want any kind of Good Reputation and Standing in the astrological community for the long haul, then be careful of what you 'put out there'...

It reflects your Honor, and becomes your legacy.

It is desirable to be accurate, and to have Professional TRUST.

A 'Good name' is Valuable.

There are MANY that I could recommend-- it's just not fair for me to mention only one or two. But, that's a start...

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posted December 27, 2017 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anonymidarkness... Yes.

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posted December 27, 2017 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh you know, I don't especially want a good reputation, I just want to write a book and be published and some people buy my book(s) and it can be possible, but being famous and rich I know it will never happen and it's not my ambition.

Thanks for the advice (the book), "asteroid goddesses", are there more than just the principal asteroids (vesta, juno, pallas, ceres) in it ? If so, I will maybe buy this book and order it in WHSmith in Paris (I have to order some other astrology books over there, I will go in Paris especially for this)... I've heard of this book I think (goddesses).

Oh so what I wrote will be examined by professionals. I didn't really know that, I wondered how it will be. I think it's good. I know you've said this before but I didn't understand this this way.

Okay, I will go to the french forum and english forum also, on astrodienst.

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posted December 27, 2017 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroid Goddesses covers 16 asteroids, and comes with an Ephemeris in the back of the book (paperback)-- covering the years 1930-2050.
Published by Ibis Press (USA)

Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta (in depth);
with
Psyche Eros Sappho Amor
Lilith-(asteroid) Toro Pandora
Icarus Diana Hidalgo Urania
and Chiron

Rich and famous off one book???
I hardly think so.

I was talking about having honor, pride, and integrity. Was not only speaking about your reputation, but also, please consider that whatever you would produce would also be a 'mark' on the Honor and Reputation of the field of astrology and cosmic science itself.... That it remain intact and good for the benefits of any future users.

A junk-book makes astrology look like a bad science, in the eyes of the public-at-large.

Whatever you do though... It's about you. And, its purpose is all up to you, of course.

Lots of books out there...

It's been nice conversing with you.
Good luck, and
Happy Cosmic Sailing to you....

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