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Yanmorg
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posted January 02, 2018 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Does anyone have any info on this transit?

Specifically with Pluto transiting the 9TH HOUSE squaring Moon.

I know the 9th house also represents religion and your higher mind, but I feel like traveling could be part of the picture since these dynamics have been at play in my life for quite awhile now...

What can you tell me about this transit?

Is it as bad as it sounds since Pluto is in Capricorn and not Scorpio?

Would that make the intensity a little more controlled?

I have been studying this upcoming Pluto transit since 2014 and now itís finally here.

I just hope nothing drastic happens like the interpretations say.

Would I have it a little easier considering Iím Pluto-dominant?

I want this to be a general post. If anyone would like to zone in on my chart here and there so I can gain more insight, that would be great too.
I have Pluto transiting my 9th squaring my Moon in the 6th coming up, within the next Month or two.


Natally, Pluto rules my 7th house,
located in my 6th house.

Moon rules my 3rd house,
located in my 6th house.

I want to move to South Carolina this year and start over with a fresh start. I just turned 24 and still have no idea what Iím doing with my life.

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posted January 02, 2018 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More importantly is the conjunction Pluto is now making to your natal Uranus and Neptune. That frames the focus, and does describe certain changes, even drastic ones, as within your charge -- if you learn how to do it effectively. The conjunctions, particularly in cardinal signs allow more potential initiative at your end in how this goes.

Pluto in transit conjunct natal Uranus-Neptune is an opportunity for a broad change in the overall dynamics and rules of your life in which a new life philosophy and vision with greater freedom can roll out -- with lasting dynamics. If you hold back in apprehension, don't expect those dynamics to come at your initiative. You must believe in yourself and your ability to learn how to make suitable change gracefully. If you first cultivate broader understanding for a life vision you can stay in charge of these changes. The harder you cling to safety and stability, the harder this transit will be. Step cautiously with awareness, but confidently leaning forward.

It is near time to break away from circumstances that are holding you back. Do you know what is truly holding you back, what is from within you and what is truly circumstantial? This transit offers enormous opportunity for discovering a better life with wider ranging opportunities than you previously allowed.

If you feel only impatient and like pulling the rug out from under everything, you'll likely be the source of much disruption for you and those around you. So focus instead on a deeper understanding of how things work on the level of energy and power, the effects of conscious intention, and the role of timing and synchronicity. Blind rebellion will only reset the same old lessons, but with different persons and different circumstances playing essentially the same roles that were previously restricting you.

So first, learn about how change works. Then learn what it is you want to change.

With Pluto's transit square your natal Moon soon after, there may be a rather quick follow-up of changes to your domestic situation, or at least to certain key habits. Expect some wins and losses in the process of working out what you've learned. Because Uranus is finishing up its opposition to your natal Moon, I advise flirting with such changes, but not lying down in bed with them just yet. That process may begin in March.

There is inevitable discomfort with these kinds of changes, but they are firstly internal, relating to attitudes of what a suitable domestic situation and personal life are for you.. Notice that Pluto and Uranus (for now) have both been bringing out underlying patterns relating to your natal Moon square Uranus-Neptune aspect. This brings to the surface innate tendencies to doubt yourself, recede within, even 'go your own way' at times even if it does not create the harmony and support you'd like. So look for how you can overcome any such tendencies now by resetting your pattern to allow for irritations and imperfectly harmonious persons in your life who can still offer meaningful support.

This is a complex transit figure that is hard to put into words and certainly cannot be understood by simply reducing it to just Pluto square natal Moon. Focus on the energies of Pluto conjunct natal Uranus-Neptune as a period of transformation of your life vision and insights (Neptune), and your ability to enact synchronicity and engage life with spontaneity (Uranus) as you make substantial, albeit uncomfortable but essential changes in your personal life (natal Moon).

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posted January 03, 2018 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply, Kanon!

I will edit and add comments when I have more time.

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posted January 07, 2018 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Kannon!

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My Moon in Cancer in 3rd opp the Pluto in Cap in 9th transit. So I don't know if it will help as its not square.

The Pluto transit is near the end of the 9th and closer to the Mc.

Capricorn conserves and since Pluto moved into Cap in my 9th house in 2008, my desire or interests in places far from the familiar has diminished.

I became fearful of other places, people and countries.
As whispers of racism and immigrants being treated badly, my faith in human beings accepting those who look different from themselves slowly evaporated.

The current opp to my Moon in 3rd has me dwell on the limitations that Pluto has set with regards to my outlook.

Pluto in 9th has contributed in my resistance to change. Especially when it comes to moving. The opposition to the Moon in 3rd has me being sentimental about the familiar.

If I do make a move near the end of Pluto(when Pluto contra parallels the Ic), it is likely to be permanent and one that breaks me free from this negative and fearful funk(Aquarius).


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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
My Moon in Cancer in 3rd opp the Pluto in Cap in 9th transit. So I don't know if it will help as its not square.

The Pluto transit is near the end of the 9th and closer to the Mc.

Capricorn conserves and since Pluto moved into Cap in my 9th house in 2008, my desire or interests in places far from the familiar has diminished.

I became fearful of other places, people and countries.
As whispers of racism and immigrants being treated badly, my faith in human beings accepting those who look different from themselves slowly evaporated.

The current opp to my Moon in 3rd has me dwell on the limitations that Pluto has set with regards to my outlook.

Pluto in 9th has contributed in my resistance to change. Especially when it comes to moving. The opposition to the Moon in 3rd has me being sentimental about the familiar.

If I do make a move near the end of Pluto(when Pluto contra parallels the Ic), it is likely to be permanent and one that breaks me free from this negative and fearful funk(Aquarius).


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posted January 14, 2018 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just moved to South Carolina with my boyfriend.

This is a MAJOR move for me considering I have never left home before this, if you donít count staying on campus my freshman year in college, for nearly a semester.

My living situation before this was chaotic, unstable, and depressing (TUranus just made its final pass opposing my moon). My father came home from prison and totally destroyed my stability (another story for another thread).

I feel so much freeer now and in control of my life.

Now, Transit Pluto will square my moon soon.

Me and my boyfriend have been dating for almost a year and a half long distance before this but we spent a lot of time together and talked on the phone all day every day so it didnít feel long distance often.

I believe this move was for the better.

Iím much happier, gaining weight again, and Iím starting to focus on my career once more.

I have always been somewhat sheltered, but I still experienced enough to have a story to tell.

Me and my mother have Moon square Pluto in our composite.

Weíve been dependent and attached, yet detached, at the hip since I was born.

Our relationship has always been Ďspicyí. We bicker all the time and at the drop of a hat, but make up just as fast. This was before my father reentered the picture.

Now, our relationship is just.. okay. It has changed dramatically over the last few years, and the most after my father came home.

Sheís the reason (really my father) I moved ultimately.

My domestic situation was reaching a climax with tension at every turn between me and my father. My mother just wanted me out to keep the peace.

Iím not rebelling or at least it doesnít feel that way.
Me and my boyfriend had already been discussing moving in together eventually, months before and have stayed together for a week or so too, many times. We communicate and talk openly about sutuations etc. The move felt natural and perfect timing. Everything fell into place at the right time. I hope things continue to progress and everything works out smoothly.

As far as key habits and my views on life, I can understand how it would be hard to put in words.

Everything Iím going through is mainly on a mental level. Iíve had anxiety for years and I havenít had much of a social life since my junior year in college which was almost 3 years ago. I sort of shut myself off from socializing. I live in my head most days, sorting through past mistakes, replaying old senarios, etc. Itís very exhausting. Now Iím finding it hard to let those demons go and live in the present. Itís a lot harder than it sounds. My mind is always going.


My dad is psychologically and emotionally abusive and manipulative. He doesnít know how to love anything or anyone. All he knows is control and dominance.

Jupiter, mars just made sextiles to my Uranus/ Neptune.

The Sun just conjuncted my Uranus/ Neptune so I had a little help from the Universe this go-round


Jupiter is nearing exact on my Sun.

Saturn is closing in on a sextile to my Venus.

So there are a few little helpers out there.

Pluto is almost exactly sextile my Sun also.

I hope this transit is for the better.

I hope I donít come out too damaged in the end.

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posted January 15, 2018 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for taking the time to respond, Aries.

I see some similarities with your description of Pluto transiting the 9th house.

Pluto being in Capricorn might lighten the intensity a bit or at least put a lid on it in some way.

The 9th house is all about the higher, mind, religion, distance places, etc.

Pluto transiting would definitely reshape these areas in some way.

Is a square always challenging in some way?

The square represents tension between the two planets involved so wouldnít one planet eventually win over the other? Is that what transiting squares represent?

A tug of war which leads to one planet Ďwinningí over the other.

Iím curious because so far, I have been gracefully willing to accept all of these new changes and even was looking forward to it, a few years before I could see the change manifesting.


Whatís the difference between an opposition and square in transit?

The opposition would be a little easier, I would imagine considering you can bounce from one extreme to the next, coming to a middle ground or balance in the end.

Also, when observing transits, how would you read or breakdown the interpretation?

Pluto transiting my 9th..

But TPluto is in Capricorn..

But T Pluto is also making a square to my 6th house moon.

etc etc


And if Uranus and Neptune are playing an important role in all of this, how exactly?


I know it has something to do with my higher mind, philosophy, thanks to Kannon and my own observations.

I just want to know the best way to handle this transit.

Iíve been trying to prepare since 2014 when I firsr noticed it was slowly approaching.

Hopefully my fear is greater than whatís to come.

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posted January 15, 2018 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 15, 2018 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congratulations on what you are creating! Sounds like you are very much taking charge of your life while the window of opportunity is there to do so.

The 9th house, of course, can relate to travels or moves to distant places, but most important are the planetary/luminary energies. Expect these changes to continue on all levels, but in a couple or three months they'll get more personal. Assume you'll begin learning through direct experience where your own internal fears, issues are. The heads-up on the Pluto (square) to natal Moon transit is that the intensity of your feelings will increase, but the emotional valence does not necessarily indicate the importance of the specific conscious feelings or emotive stresses. Be prepared to look underneath them for the truth. It generally relates to sublimated desires and fears.

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posted January 16, 2018 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think that Pluto is ever "light".

As Kannon mentioned, sublimated desires and fears are highlighted during the transit.

In my case the current close square of trans Pluto to Moon in 3rd conjunct the Ic, brings on questions on how secure I am within.

The dialogue I have been having with me(Moon in 3rd) has been filled with so much negativity and self doubt.

I am not sure that this is the cleansing part as I am recognizing just how deeply resentful I have been of ME.

In your case, watch for how harshly you judge yourself when it comes to your competence/ skills or abilities(6th).

If you feel useless or unproductive, watch the depth of feelings you may have with regards to that job/task that you believe you are 'failing' at.

Also with Moon, Pluto squares my Mars in 6th conjunct Dsc. I view others with suspicion and contempt. And they return the notion in kind(mirror effect of the 7th).

I was wondering why I am not attracting a relationship with Jupiter also transiting the 7th.

I think it could be that as optimistic as I feel about others(Jupiter in 7th), there is also underlying suspicion and contempt(Pluto square Mars conjunct Dsc).

So if I do attract someone now, it could be someone with a jaded edge or a highly suspicious nature(like me). As the Dsc only gives you what you throw out there.

And to answer your question about the square. I am not sure of how to differentiate it from the opposition really.

What I do know however is that the square is a constant adjustment. And the comfort is in the adjusting- as one would constantly adjust when driving.

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People of depth and sincerity who are interested in truly growing may (subconsciously) choose to go with the Pluto-related dynamics internally while they are there (in transit), rather than project/externalize them into a relationship or onto another person.

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posted February 06, 2018 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I don't think that Pluto is ever "light".

As Kannon mentioned, sublimated desires and fears are highlighted during the transit.

In my case the current close square of trans Pluto to Moon in 3rd conjunct the Ic, brings on questions on how secure I am within.

The dialogue I have been having with me(Moon in 3rd) has been filled with so much negativity and self doubt.

I am not sure that this is the cleansing part as I am recognizing just how deeply resentful I have been of ME.

In your case, watch for how harshly you judge yourself when it comes to your competence/ skills or abilities(6th).

If you feel useless or unproductive, watch the depth of feelings you may have with regards to that job/task that you believe you are 'failing' at.

Also with Moon, Pluto squares my Mars in 6th conjunct Dsc. I view others with suspicion and contempt. And they return the notion in kind(mirror effect of the 7th).

I was wondering why I am not attracting a relationship with Jupiter also transiting the 7th.

I think it could be that as optimistic as I feel about others(Jupiter in 7th), there is also underlying suspicion and contempt(Pluto square Mars conjunct Dsc).

So if I do attract someone now, it could be someone with a jaded edge or a highly suspicious nature(like me). As the Dsc only gives you what you throw out there.

And to answer your question about the square. I am not sure of how to differentiate it from the opposition really.

What I do know however is that the square is a constant adjustment. And the comfort is in the adjusting- as one would constantly adjust when driving.


This was very insightful, Aries.

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

Aside from inner emotional turmoil, are you okay though?

Like, is your life still flowing or are you carrying on day by day because the emotional slush feels like a 5 ton burden?

I donít have moon in the 3rd, but my moon does RULE my 3rd so I can relate somewhat.

What exactly does the 3rd represent to you?
I never understood the description completely.

So from my understanding, Pluto changes then transforms whatever it touches..

Your outlook on distant places, people, etc (9th) CHANGED and is now in the process of being TRANSFORMED.

What does the 3rd house represent, REALLY, though?

How does it color this transit specifically for us?

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posted February 06, 2018 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transit Pluto is currently at 1í55 degrees applying.

Will the intensity increase as Pluto gets closer?

What happens when Pluto goes retrograde?

Should I already be feeling some of the effects?
I believe I am.

If youíre plutonian (Scorpio placements, Pluto aspects, etc) would this transit be a little easier to manage?

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Aside from inner emotional turmoil, are you okay though?

I am fine. Pluto is long term and not short term. Saturn on Moon has far more of a depressing effect.

Like, is your life still flowing or are you carrying on day by day because the emotional slush feels like a 5 ton burden?

There are days that are good. And days that are not. Like how life is generally.

But I think that the only difference would be that since Mars/Moon are square in natal,there is an increased impatience and feelings of anger that linger.

What exactly does the 3rd represent to you?

The 3rd house to me represents the thoughts and experiences that shape our everyday perception of reality.

Its the child that wobbles outside the house gate to see what is beyond. And maybe there-after beyond that point.

Its the adhoc understanding of everyday life and existence of not only ourselves, but others.

Unlike the 2nd house(survival needs), the 3rd is about curiosity/exploration and is more socially conscious i.e what is this environment that I am in about? Who are those people that are like me?

So the effect of Pluto on the 3rd causes us to examine a wider scope of the environment. Or at-least to look at it a little more closely/deeply.

This could be a time where we go beyond known turfs or stray further from the covered path. 3rd house covers short distances and Pluto's impact on it may have us walk/ride buses or be in our cars driving somewhere or coming back from somewhere a lot more.

There is a restlessness and curiosity about what's out there; visitations to close relatives,going to community fares,friends homes and the like. We are eager to see something "new" and what the local environment is about.

This could be both in the literal or figurative sense of the word. So figuratively it could also mean that we go on the internet a lot , read more books/magazines and go further and further exploring topics that pique our interest.

Pluto sometimes adds an element of danger or a tendency to have us see outside the environment conditions/ways of life that scare us or make us feel like there are some things we are not "supposed" to see or we have been long kept from seeing.

This transit could be someone who is from a privileged background befriending someone who is not from the same background and thereafter visiting the friend's place.

The effect of that visit could have them (privileged) immediately feel the difference between the life they know and the life that is "out there" for others outside their known environment.

And this would be the same with the one who knows not of the privileged world. Pluto would affect them too

Pluto's transit on the 9th house of the higher mind and all things global,suggests that our interest in cultures not of our background or even people differing from us, whet our appetite.

A visit to your neighbour from an Islamic background for instance and sharing dinner with them has an impact of opening up a whole new world to you that you were oblivious to.

It could also literally mean that there is an increased desire to go beyond your state border or even your countries border and further still

There is an overwhelming need to just leave your neighborhood and live elsewhere. And this move could even be permanent-especially if the ruler of the Ic is involved.

Pluto also brings issues of fear; will I fit in? Will I be discriminated against? How will I cope? What can I expect? Will it kill me? etc.


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I also wanted to add that the 9th/3rd house are connected to the Mc/Ic axis respectively by solar arc method.

This means that the outer planet transits (specifically) of 3rd/9th prepare the native for changes in either the home front(IC) or the career(Mc).

In my case, Pluto's exit from the 9th house has had me realize the inability my BusinessAdmin Degree has in affording me the kind of life that I really want to live.

Ironically I got the degree when Pluto started on the 9th. So I guess Pluto wasn't done with its effect of asking "is this what you really want?"

Now that I have decided to do something about my restlessness with my career direction, the changed course to study another path seems fated.

I wonder though if Pluto's entrance in the 10th will have the same effect as its initial entrance to the 9th?i.e started pursuing business administration when it entered the 9th,to leave it when Pluto exits the 9th.

So when it leaves the 10th for the 11th, does that mean I might also start changing my mind about the career path chosen when it entered the 10th?

Time will tell.

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posted February 11, 2018 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Will Pluto retrograde affect the intensity or impact of events?

I read somewhere that the closer the transit is to exact, the heavier it gets.

IS that true?

In terms of transits and Pluto, how long will this transit last since it shows up on the Astro grid until it is 10 degrees out of bounds.


& from my understanding, Aries, Transit Pluto will intensify all the Natal Moon aspects at one time?

And since Pluto is in Capricorn, would individuals with Moon-Saturn aspects have it a little easier even if Pluto is transiting by hard aspect?

There's so many questions.

From the descriptions, I started feeling the affects of Transit Pluto back in 2013. Is that possible or possibly another Transit manifestation?

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posted February 21, 2018 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I also wanted to add that the 9th/3rd house are connected to the Mc/Ic axis respectively by solar arc method.

This means that the outer planet transits (specifically) of 3rd/9th prepare the native for changes in either the home front(IC) or the career(Mc).

In my case, Pluto's exit from the 9th house has had me realize the inability my BusinessAdmin Degree has in affording me the kind of life that I really want to live.

Ironically I got the degree when Pluto started on the 9th. So I guess Pluto wasn't done with its effect of asking "is this what you really want?"

Now that I have decided to do something about my restlessness with my career direction, the changed course to study another path seems fated.

I wonder though if Pluto's entrance in the 10th will have the same effect as its initial entrance to the 9th?i.e started pursuing business administration when it entered the 9th,to leave it when Pluto exits the 9th.

So when it leaves the 10th for the 11th, does that mean I might also start changing my mind about the career path chosen when it entered the 10th?

Time will tell.


Transit Pluto is currently transiting my 9th, but all of the changes are happening on the home and career front. I just relocated to a completely different state.

The 9th is said to be about the higher mind, distant places, worldview, etc


Moon rules my 3rd house.
Pluto rules my 7th.

Both are located in my 6th, natally.

There is no real basis for this manifestation aside from the "distant places" aspect.


My Sun is almost out of a sextile with Transit Pluto though.. this could be the culprit. Sun rules my 4th house located in my 6th.

I just don't want to return to the underworld because I'm just NOW feeling like I see a light at the end of the tunnel and started crawling my way out.

I believe I can handle Pluto considering I am very familiar with the energy.

I have Pluto square Saturn natally.


I just want to be aware and as prepared as possible.

Pluto is never light as Aries says.

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posted February 22, 2018 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Is anyone else going through this transit or has gone through it?

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