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capricorncheriscty
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posted January 02, 2018 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird question but have you ever felt that a certain sign or certain signs just...hate you more than others? I have an 8th house stellium in my chart but NO Scorpio (except my Vertex) and I have noticed all the Scorpio suns, moons, and risings that I have met have a very standoffish and rude demeanor towards me. Several of them have just flat out told me "I hate you" or "I don't like you at all" or even "You're just annoying, I hate you" and it's like??

Most of the time, I don't even know them that well but they just automatically start to dislike me after knowing me for barely a few months? It's ridiculous. I barely talk to some of them too so I just always think it's a bit much how they can come to the conclusion that they HATE me so quickly. Are Scorpios just drama queens or is it me?? I also have Venus conjunct Pluto, Moon trine Pluto and Venus, Pluto&Venus opposite asc, and a few more pluto aspects. I don't understand, what is it??

Has this ever happened to you? Like for example, if you have a 5th house stellium , do you notice that Leos are more standoffish when they are around you? I am wondering if this is just me or something....

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posted January 02, 2018 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Several of them have just flat out told me "I hate you" or "I don't like you at all" or even "You're just annoying, I hate you" and it's like??

That is them, not you.

Let others take responsibility for their hate and their words. Your birth chart contains patterns and subtle energies that you can understand better by direct study than by reaction to others' subjective reactions.

Maybe you are 'different' in some way. Maybe you like that. Maybe you're having trouble accepting this about yourself. People tend to notice something 'different' about someone and then use it as a reason to reject or hate. You probably know people who accept you in spite of whatever that might be, and maybe even because of it.

You might simply use such reactions from others as an indication of who you may have karmic connections with. It is up to you to do anything about it. Remember, love overrides negativity and hate. Maybe you're powerful enough to win their friendship anyway.

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posted January 03, 2018 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto/Venus opp Asc
Venus square Asc

The Dsc is how people interact with us socially. So Pluto conj Dsc suggests that you may attract strong reactions. Especially if Scorpio,Aries or Cap is there.

If you appear standoffish or aloof/closed off to others. They will respond in kind.

Add to that your Venus/Pluto conj which adds a self protective reservation towards new people. Viewing them from a distance by not talking with them or making an effort to have them be comfortable with you.

Venus square Asc may feel unsupported by others. Most times feeling like people block them or don't allow for interaction. Saturn square/opp the Asc can do that too. Making an effort to reach out to others is often tough because the native perceives rejection.

Again Scorpio, Aries or Capricorn in these signs is more severe.

I have Saturn/Venus conjunct in Scorpio in the 7th. And Venus rules the 7th. So I am aware of how closed off I can be. I don't trust others easily but can be superficially sociable(Mars in Libra 6th conjuncts the Dsc)

Whats your Dsc?

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posted January 03, 2018 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have Venus square the ASC and I don't really think I come off as standoffish, I'm just very quiet and don't see the point in useless small talk if it is not necessary...I suppose some people could take that as me being rude or standoffish, but I don't believe it's enough to be warranting an extremely dramatic response such as "I hate you" or "You're ******* annoying, I don't like you". Idk. I just mind my business most of the time, my 8th house stellium makes me not want to be on the front lines all the time so I don't get how people can see me as someone worthy of hating. I never understood people who hate you just because you are not as extroverted as them. I have Moon & Jupiter in the 11th so it kind of hurts my feelings when people talk about me like that over stuff that doesn't even make any sense...

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posted January 03, 2018 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about the 8th house stellium, but I do know that Cap MCs can have it pretty tough, in that people will seek to destroy them whatever they do, be it via actual blocks, insults, offensive behavior and what not. Capricorn in general can incur this in others. Maybe check progressed as well.

Added: but on second thought - 8th house also has to do with seeing the truth, exploring, diving deep. People can be afraid of the truth, afraid of having their "darkness" seen. Perhaps you see their darkness without even trying, and part of them perhaps instinctively knows they can't hide from you. So, it (their bad side) rears its head at you in others.

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posted January 03, 2018 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was curious about your Dsc. I didn't get a response to that initial question.

What I have come to find from experience however is that Mars,Pluto, Saturn planets or the signs of Aries,Scorpio and Cap most often get strong responses from people. Either of intense like or dislike.

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posted January 03, 2018 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am liked or disliked. I am sarcastic, at times, but mean no harm. I hate small talk or talk about things that have no substance. I can be reserved and quiet but I can also be the light of the party-when I want. I canít stand lies. I wonít call you on your lie unless it is directed at me. If not, I couldnít care any less. Lie all you want.

I only have a Cap Moon op Saturn and NN in Scorpio conj IC. Aries 8H. Iím just bringing those up because they were mentioned. Venus is conj Saturn.

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posted January 03, 2018 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Sun Scorpion people are haters...

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posted January 03, 2018 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I was curious about your Dsc. I didn't get a response to that initial question.

What I have come to find from experience however is that Mars,Pluto, Saturn planets or the signs of Aries,Scorpio and Cap most often get strong responses from people. Either of intense like or dislike.


Sorry lol I was typing my response and completely forgot to include it. I'm Gemini rising, Sag descendant. I'm pretty young (90s brat) so it does kind of bother me when people say stuff like that to me.

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posted January 03, 2018 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I was curious about your Dsc. I didn't get a response to that initial question.

What I have come to find from experience however is that Mars,Pluto, Saturn planets or the signs of Aries,Scorpio and Cap most often get strong responses from people. Either of intense like or dislike.


I never thought of that. Still learning about dsc. Isn't this angle consider a projection of us we put on others?

Got Cap dsc (despite conj Neptune). I still get strong reaction at times and it startles me sometimes.

What Lalafortunaea mention, may hold some truth. Generally, Scorpio are known to not like being exposed or figured out.

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posted January 03, 2018 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bingo!

Pluto packs a punch and can have people respond in extreme ways to you.And since its on your Dsc with Venus, social relations tend towards extremes too.

The people who say such things is no reflection of your character but theirs. You can't control how others respond to you. But you can control how you feel about them.

Some people who don't engage in small talk or social niceties are not considered pleasant many times.

Fake platitudes leave a bitter taste on a Venus/Pluto person. And with Sag there, frivolity is usually not well understood nor tolerated. The desire is to speak on things that matter.

You will have a better time with a mature audience. It does get better with age.

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posted January 03, 2018 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Simplyluna.

I experience the Dsc as not only what you project on others. But what is also projected back on you.

Libra Dsc being mine. I assume other people are nice, respectfull and cordial. And so I approach them that way.

When they are mean,rude or otherwise, it takes a while for me to get over it. Thereby making me more suspicious and impersonal in the long run(Pluto and Saturn in Scorpio also there)

This differs from someone who may have Pluto/Saturn in Libra also there. As they will take emotion out of the equation and be less offended/more detached.

Cap Dsc suggests that you have a no nonsense, straight talking and even formal approach to others. So as such people often respond to you by straightening themselves up and responding in a serious manner.

This why some Cap dsc can be so socially "aloof". Because they assume others behave like they do i.e that they will be hard on them as they are hard on themselves.

So the demeanor most Cap Dsc have is seldom casual, relaxed or informal. They feel judged by others as they judge themselves.

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posted January 03, 2018 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny how the asc and dsc works. Because I can see myself serious/aloof yet also caring/emotional at the same time

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posted January 03, 2018 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Bingo!

Pluto packs a punch and can have people respond in extreme ways to you.And since its on your Dsc with Venus, social relations tend towards extremes too.

The people who say such things is no reflection of your character but theirs. You can't control how others respond to you. But you can control how you feel about them.

Some people who don't engage in small talk or social niceties are not considered pleasant many times.

Fake platitudes leave a bitter taste on a Venus/Pluto person. And with Sag there, frivolity is usually not well understood nor tolerated. The desire is to speak on things that matter.

You will have a better time with a mature audience. It does get better with age.


So I was looking some celebs up who had this and Beyonce has her Venus conj Pluto conj her asc. Slightly different from mine but still pretty similar. I think that's interesting bc what you said does apply to her. I vaguely remember reading or watching an old documentary biography thing on her and they were basically talking about how when Beyonce was younger she was really quiet and kept to herself but, for some strange reason, kids at her school would still be mean to her and just pick on her and tell her mean things for really no reason.

Her mom said she was always praying that someone would just be her friend, and that she couldn't understand why other kids hated her daughter so much even though Beyonce was a nice kid who kept to herself. And it's true Beyonce did get much more well-liked and more adored by more mature people as she got older.


Is this a pattern in Venus conj Pluto I wonder? We are just easily disliked (Pluto) by some people when it comes to social interactions (Venus)? That's crazy.


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posted January 04, 2018 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that its the classic geek to swan dynamic. Its not just pluto/venus, Venus/Saturn also suffers people's rebuff.

When the native is more introverted and less likely to take part in foolish things of youth, they suffer social isolation. So much so sometimes that social anxiety results.

Group think or group mentality is powerful. And since Pluto/Saturn mature a little early in life, they usually get the brunt of being wise enough not to take part in lots of things that "coming of age" people assume is "normal".

This may include not having sex before time, not smoking, not drinking, not disobeying parents/rules, not having an attitude etc. They often garner a reputation of being "squares" or not being fun

Ironically enough, its these same people that people seek out later in life to have a more stable life with-either as friends or lovers. Because most times they are emotionally intelligent and wise. Many tend to seek their counsel.

It gets better with age. It really does. Well at least in many cases i know.

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posted January 05, 2018 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sandra018     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
[B]I don't know about the 8th house stellium, but I do know that Cap MCs can have it pretty tough, in that people will seek to destroy them whatever they do, be it via actual blocks, insults, offensive behavior and what not. Capricorn in general can incur this in others. Maybe check progressed as well.

I want to second the above..
as a Cap MC i have faced people trying to "destroy" and hurt me most of my life...being persieved as competition and therefore attacked, even when those same people were in a superior position over me( example- my bosses, also much older people/women, but it has been both sexes, who you would think were in a different life stage than me-- like married with families and lives, while i was early 20s single girl..) ohh i can tell stories..
LONG STORY SHORT I SURVIVED-
i wanted to end it on a good note

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posted January 05, 2018 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoulOfABird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a lot of Scorpio energy. Im a Pisces with a Pisces stellium and a 12th house stellium. Im Pisces dominant and I find I get along fine with other Pisces, though I dont know many. There are not too many people that I dont get along with or dislike for no reason , I think because Im more quiet and passive aggressive, maybe because of my Libra mars. I dont like conflict. So naturally since Im not a dominant type and keep my opinions to myself to avoid problems. But there was one person in my whole up to now that I can think of that just didnt like me for no reason at all. In elementary school we had practically the same class every year, and her parents talked to my parents at school events, and I even went to the same ceramics class, and her mom even invited me to her bday party at Color Me Mine, went to the same middle school, but we never spoke to eachother. For some reason, from the begining I can tell she didnt like me, and quite frankly I didn't like the bish either LOL. I seriously dont know what is was about her, we just didnt get along. Without ever speaking to eachother. I dont know ger sign though. I wish I knew, but I feel like she might have been an Air sign. But I dont know. The thing is some people dont like strong personalities. They can be as abrasive as they want but when they face another abrasive person they dont like it. Scorpio has a very strong personality, and since you have alot of Scorpio energy, a lot of Scorpios may clash with you because youre too a like. Some types of people get along amazingly with others like them, some completely clash. I think Scorpio is one of those signs that dont get along well with people like them. So even though I dont know your circumstances, Im sure it's not your fault.

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posted January 06, 2018 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TaurusVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I think so. I think I have it in my chart! People hate me!! They either hate me or love me, but I think mostly hate

I have a Scorpio Moon/Asc/Uranus.

And I think with my Taurus Sun and being in opposition to my Moon and Asc, it gives me a really strong personality that is off putting to a lot of people.

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posted January 06, 2018 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 8th house stellium, venus, jupiter n.node. Also Sun merc oppo pluto in 3rd house.

No quite the opposite, I'm charming and people genuinle often likes me. I think its because of my Virgos asc and also venus-neptune contact, I'm very helprful and generous id I like the person. Also I'm stable and reliable with lots of saturn in my chart and Sun in Taurus so.

The only type of people that does not like me is people that either have a bad selfesteem or does not like me being stronly opiniated. Also if I let out my Pluto too much in a conversation to the lenghtf of being a pushover, then I can repell people. As long as I'm aware of what and how I communicate its all good.

I quarrel very often with my brother, our mercuries is squaring each other. Also people squaring my sun or pluto can think I'm a "know it all" and be bothered by that, but I have learned how to "chill" that energy with age.

Its more often I who can't stand a lots of types of people

Ok but If you don't mind me asking, which country do you live at? I mean, it can't be for ex England or Usa? It does not seem like people from those countries are so rude with "I don't like you" comments? I know some other countries where people can be a bit more forward and tactless

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posted January 06, 2018 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a projection. I have Leo on my DSC, and Pluto in Scorpio squaring my ASC/DSC axis. People either love me or hate me - there's usually very little middle ground. And when they hate me, it feels very personal, even though they know very little about me and have virtually no reason to have such a negative perception of me. But it's not really me that they hate - it's whoever I remind them of, maybe a very fixed or stubborn person that wronged them in some way or irritated them. And sometimes Pluto just makes people feel downright uncomfortable - like they're a bug underneath a microscope - and they don't know how to react to such a feeling. I've had people become snappy and irritated with me when I've just been watching them in what I thought was a normal/easy going way.

Avoiding/ignoring them works best for me, and if I have no choice but to be around them, they usually find the exit door on their own. Showing genuine disinterest through a Pluto cold shoulder is usually enough to shatter whatever negative image they've projected onto me.

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