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StrandedSaturn
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posted January 12, 2018 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StrandedSaturn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am aware that this may be a stretch but I am curious if anybody sees any potential for his current lifestyle and secrecy and destruction he's caused with his group.

Here's a link to his chart (no time, unfortunately)

https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

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posted January 12, 2018 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No proper Natal Chart rendering.. and from astrotheme no less.

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posted January 12, 2018 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is really a loaded question, isn't it, since we know who he is and what he's done? So anyone could see something "troubling" if they don't like his cause. Here's what I see looking at a noon chart for his birth date:

T-square:
- Jupiter conjunct/parallel Neptune (idealism, big-mindedness)
- opposite Saturn (challenges expansion, perception, and ethics)
- square to stem planet Mercury (thinking alternates between grandiosity and narrowness; ideological; tends to the belief he can think or dream his way out of problems)

Summary: perspective alternates between idealism and negativity, desire to solve problems with philosophic, but distorted solutions; tends to create beliefs or solutions out of anxiety or insecurity; problems with hypocrisy, but unable to see his own. Doesn't like his ideas challenged, feels insecure about his thinking, so he overcompensates with rigidity.

The configuration shows this lifetime presents a crisis of belief and perception and what is created with it.

Sun contra-parallel Neptune reinforces the tendency to idealism, but which is partly a compensation for insecurity or uncertainty about identity, therefore projects strength through visions or ideaology.

Jupiter contra-parallel Saturn reinforces the ethical challenges: desires big solutions to problems observed, but what goes too far? Personal expansion is checked by external sources for moral or ethical standards, but likely pushes against them (since Mars energizes the expansion principle of Jupiter by its square to it).

Moon in Libra (5-17)conjunct Uranus in Libra can be justice or fairness oriented with an erratic side bent on personal liberty or license; can come with an inner feel for how to make things public or trans-national. (Other example: Ted Cruz)

Venus trine Jupiter: benevolence and friendship, oriented towards betterment of community and brotherhood.

Venus, Jupiter sextile Pluto: commitment, concerned with societal problems, values run deep, capable of leadership; strategic, can think and plan on a large scale and coordinate with others.

Venus contra-parallel Mars: charming and personable, but tends to spur conflict in which some really like him, others really dislike him; prone to jealousies, irritations, personal preferences in human relations.

Mars square Jupiter: restless, active, a doer, but prone to over-do, to over-react; possible tendencies for aggression or explosions of temperament; should not be around weapons or explosives.

Mars widely conjunct N.Node in Aquarius -- likely developing into a military leader or team athlete (next lifetime).

Pluto 15N23 parallel S.Node 16S28 indicates serious issues/karma from power struggles in past lifetimes.

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posted January 12, 2018 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would look for an afflicted jupiter, as well as the sign of aquarius for crazy behavior and cancer (his connection to USA and UK as cancer countries), and maybe libra, because I did a research a while ago and all major mass murderers throughout the history had libra placements (sun, moon, AC or/and jupiter/saturn). examples are benjamin netanyahu (mass murderer of innocent people and children of palestine true owners of that land, during the sabra and shatila massacre and continuing to today), adolf hitler, joseph stalin, etc

well he has all of these placements, so it's not a surprise if the chart is correct

however you don't have to go too far to find other troublesome charts as well

you can look at clinton's or trump's; the first one is one of the founders of Daesh, and the second one is the one who kept sending this group guns and cars and foods and a lot of money in order to try and sustain them.

both of them have jupiter square saturn. trump has jupiter in libra as well. clinton has mars/pluto in the possibly dangerous 15th of leo, and trump has AC at the possibly nasty 30th of leo.

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posted January 13, 2018 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi GWTRS I don't think jupiter squares cause much trouble.I have many of them,6 I think and I'm a peacemaker.

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posted January 13, 2018 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Depends upon where they land and how the individual uses them I'd say, Jupiter tends to produce extremists coz there is this attitude of "go big or go home".

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posted January 13, 2018 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It makes sense.Which place would you think Jupiter hard aspects could mean extremists?

I have mine involved on a T-square.4th/8th/7th/2th house.
Of course this isn't about me I'm just sharing how it feels like to have those hard aspects.Maybe it helps people to have new ideas.

I also have mars out of bound.Retro/debilited (in hard aspect to uranus/neptune/sun/jupiter) 3 of them are TIGHT LESS THAN 2 DEGREES.
Jupiter in Libra

I don't have thoughts of destroying anyone.Much less religion intolerance.The only time I really felt RAGE was while I were depressed but that's a symptom that many experiment.

If I did run for president people would say "she's gonna bring world war 3" while I would be on my cabinet feeling bad for killing a cockroach.That's why astrology fascinates me hahahha

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posted January 13, 2018 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^... Okay?

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posted January 13, 2018 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
of course not everybody with jupiter/saturn square or opposition, or with aquarius, libra or cancer placements will become a murderer (in the names of politics or religion particularly)

it's just that these aspects and placements, specially mixed with mars, or those specific degrees I mentioned, have the potentials for doing harmful things; and so do for sure many other aspects, placements or degrees that I don't know of

I only named the ones I frequently came across during my curious projects

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posted January 13, 2018 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's okay,I know what you meant.I also have much respect for your point of view,I mean you have shared your thoughts on my threads a couple times and I really like them.I didn't meant to say you are wrong but I just wanted to share because I think this is a deep matter and I have those classic violent aspects to talk about.They were even touched by major transits *uranus and pluto.A lot of people talk about bad aspects being activated as a trigger for violence but I feel more calm each day.

Great thread.

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posted January 13, 2018 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Do you get angry ?

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posted January 16, 2018 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I would look for an afflicted jupiter, as well as the sign of aquarius for crazy behavior and cancer (his connection to USA and UK as cancer countries), and maybe libra, because I did a research a while ago and all major mass murderers throughout the history had libra placements (sun, moon, AC or/and jupiter/saturn). examples are benjamin netanyahu (mass murderer of innocent people and children of palestine true owners of that land, during the sabra and shatila massacre and continuing to today), adolf hitler, joseph stalin, etc

well he has all of these placements, so it's not a surprise if the chart is correct

however you don't have to go too far to find other troublesome charts as well

you can look at clinton's or trump's; the first one is one of the founders of Daesh, and the second one is the one who kept sending this group guns and cars and foods and a lot of money in order to try and sustain them.

both of them have jupiter square saturn. trump has jupiter in libra as well. clinton has mars/pluto in the possibly dangerous 15th of leo, and trump has AC at the possibly nasty 30th of leo.


I definitely agree about the Libra placements.

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