posted January 23, 2018 09:58 PM            

I read somewhere that Neptune is supposed to delude and make very muddy of whatever house it touches but IDK. I think that's such a generalized and messy interpretation for such a complex house. I see people who have 8th house stelliums typically are very good at standing their ground and making good money in whatever is they do. Even those with misty Neptune or wacky Uranus in the 8th.

I think because the 8th house is associated with commitment and depth that having Uranus or Neptune here is actually not as bad as some think. The "commitment" factor of the 8th will play out as a "stand your own ground, get what you need and go" aspect in the very misty and turbulent waters of Neptune. Many Neptune in the 8th celebrities seem to have secured their finances in some way or another, whether for themselves or for their family members.

These celebrities with Neptune in the 8th often invest in stocks, businesses, or other ventures to secure and build up more money. They also seem to start their OWN business ventures to keep the money flowing in. I think with Neptune in the 8th there is a massive primal instinct in which the person is constantly aware that they can lose their money at any second (probably bc of Neptune) and so they constantly do everything they can to prevent this from happening. Some of them are very wealthy celebrities in Hollywood and some aren't extremely wealthy but definitely did their part in accumulating as much wealth as they possibly could. I think with this placement, there is some obsession with financial security.

Some Neptune in 8th ppl:
George Clooney
Michael Jackson
Whitney Houston
Lana Del Rey
Shakira
David Bowie
Bette Davis
Catherine Deneuve
Jane Fonda
Whoopi Goldberg
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Amanda Bynes
Serena Williams
Hailee Steinfeld
Kim Basinger
Dustin Hoffman
Winston Churchill
Sophia Loren
Antonio Banderas
Snoop Dogg
J.K. Rowling
Carolina Princess of Hanover
Charlene Princess of Monaco
Penelope Cruz
Nelson Mandela
Kristen Stewart
Elizabeth Taylor
Demi Moore
Jim Morrison
Adolf Hitler (hmm)

Something else I've noticed with Neptune in 8th peope is that if they aren't currently holding a decent amount of wealth, they are probably in the process of trying to fix that or to continue working as hard as possible to get more money to secure their lives. Like I said, it's some sort of primal instinct with these people; almost like they fear being poor and on the streets and so they will literally bust their ass to keep it from happening.

These people like a consistent money flow even more than some other 8th house placements. You will probably never see them poor in this lifetime; if they do lose their wealth, you wouldn't even know until probably after they died. They keep that Neptunian fog around their assets so no one can bother them about it.

On the negative side of money matters, it seems to be very easy for them to blow ALL of their money away in the shortest time possible if they become too deluded by their fame and/or power (double Neptune stab in the back). They are also very easily blinded by material pleasure when it comes to expanding their assets.

I think, like with any placement, it is only as bad as you allow it to be. The 8th house is not as bad as some people think it is and neither is Neptune. It is a bit annoying at times but not very tragic unless there are some other major factors at play...

posted January 23, 2018 10:10 PM            

Singing, dancing, modeling, acting, being a socialite

Belongs to Venus.

politics or philosophy, literature, etc

Belongs to Mercury or Jupiter.

Neptune in Eighth won't matter much because the Outer Planets are generational, unless it's making a STRONG aspect to an inner planet or one of the important angles in the chart.

posted January 23, 2018 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
None of the careers you listed are Neptunian.

[b]Singing, dancing, modeling, acting, being a socialite

Belongs to Venus.

politics or philosophy, literature, etc

Belongs to Mercury or Jupiter.

Neptune in Eighth won't matter much because the Outer Planets are generational, unless it's making a STRONG aspect to an inner planet or one of the important angles in the chart.

Pretty much everything you said could apply to anybody.[/B]

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Literally all the careers I listed are Neptunian. Neptune is the higher octave of Venus and related to Jupiter (as Pisces and Sag are both Jupiterian in essence) so it all applies, but in expansion as Neptune is a mass being. What did you even think Neptune ruled over? It encompasses and expands upon the music industry, film industry, cinematography, filmography, HOLLYWOOD, philosophy, modeling industry, fashion industry, religion, politics, etc. I hope you are aware that not each planet is only the ruler of ONE singular thing. Each planet has shared different rulerships in society as different things change over time. It's like how some say Venus and Libra rules the hair even though the natural ruler of the hair is Saturn and Capricorn. It's possible for both to happen as times change and so the astrological rulerships will naturally change also. LOL.

posted January 23, 2018 10:41 PM            

A lot of people like boundaries, stability and like everything to be organized and in order. A lot of people love to be in control too.

The planet Neptune is not about that at all. It's a planet where we lose control, cross, boundaries, etc.

Technically I don't have Neptune in the 8th but my 8th House is in Pisces and Pisces modern ruler is Neptune (traditional ruler Jupiter). I kinda get it but not all the way.

All the celebrities you mentioned are artistic in nature. Venus and more Neptune are all about art. Neptune takes it a bit further these are people that can lose themselves in art (or whatever they love). Neptune people truly live in their own word.

I don't really think Neptune in the 8th House stands there ground. Unless they are trying to hold onto an illusion/trying to keep their rose-colored glasses on, and refusing/unable to see reality.

BTW I have never heard someone trash Neptune in the 8th House.

I don't really agree with the financial stuff in regards to Neptune. I honestly think it is other placements, not necessarily Neptune in the 8th, that is looking for finanical security. I think is Neptune in the 8th House makes money/good at making money it is because they are good at blurring the boundaries and sharing resources.

posted January 23, 2018 10:49 PM            

Proof?

I hope you are aware that not each planet is only the ruler of ONE singular thing.

Yes, because Planets are their own Astrological Entity and so are the Signs. The Signs' traits are not mutually exclusive to the Planets' traits and vice verse.

It's like how some say Venus and Libra rules the hair even though the natural ruler of the hair is Saturn and Capricorn.

Then they're just wrong.

I am simply saying that many of the people WHO I SAW with Neptune in the 8th have gone through the things I described in the original post. It's not that hard to understand.

Uh okay.

Here's something.

You used all famous people as your examples.

What I said is your examples were too general to fully illustrate the point you were trying to make.

Let me re-iterate, you used all famous people as your examples.

EVERY famous person is going to secure their finances because they have advisors, pr marketers, and other people on their team to help their career get where it's at whether it be in Hollywood or Politics.

EVERY famous person has an obsession with accumulating as much wealth as they can, because they can, and you would too.

EVERY famous person is going to start their own business ventures because that accumulates more wealth, helps their brand, achieves what they want to achieve.

NEARLY ALL famous people are going to blow their wealth in some point or time because:

They're rich, young, famous, very talented in one way or another (but sometimes they don't even have to be talented), surrounded by ass kissers, groupies, drugs, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, that makes them believe their own hype and make them literally lose their minds.

posted January 23, 2018 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
None of the careers you listed are Neptunian.

[b]Singing, dancing, modeling, acting, being a socialite

Belongs to Venus.

politics or philosophy, literature, etc

Belongs to Mercury or Jupiter.

Neptune in Eighth won't matter much because the Outer Planets are generational, unless it's making a STRONG aspect to an inner planet or one of the important angles in the chart.

Pretty much everything you said could apply to anybody.[/B]

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I disagree. These artistic careers (singing, acting, etc.) can be attributed to Neptune. It doesn't have to be one planet or the other, it can be both.

All placements matter. Not only is Neptune a higher octave of Venus but it is also a trans-personal planet. Neptune is both personal and social. It effects the individual and the generation.

posted January 23, 2018 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Astrofiend:
I disagree. These artistic careers (singing, acting, etc.) can be attributed to Neptune. It doesn't have to be one planet or the other, it can be both.

All placements matter. Not only is Neptune a higher octave of Venus but it is also a trans-personal planet. Neptune is both personal and social. It effects the individual and the generation.

Not everything is so black and white in astrology.

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It can be, but it's not. Why would it be attributed to Neptune if Venus & Mercury already rule over which you speak of?

I still need proof of Neptune being the higher octave of Venus. Where did this come from? Saying Neptune is a higher octave of Venus basically strips Venus of its unique characteristics and make it "de-evolved" when it's not.

Look, I stated that Neptune can effect the individual personally but if Neptune is not making significant aspects to the angles or personal planets then its placement in the Houses or Sign doesn't say a lot. I have not seen the Outers make a significant impact on the chart without doing this.

posted January 23, 2018 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Eighth House is OTHER people's resources and finances, btw, check the Second House to see how they do with their money.

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I don't think it's just other people's resources. It's shared.

The 8th House rules over sex, death, taxes, alimony, inheritance etc.

Two people have sex. Of course you can have sex with yourself but it's multiple bodies merging together to get to goal (orgasm).

Death: One someone you loves die, it's doesn't just effect the dead person. It effects you and you go through the different stages of death such as grieving, etc.

Taxes, alimony, inheritance.
If someone dies and leaves you money it was their money but it's now yours.
You have a job (6th house), earn money (2nd house) you got to pay taxes (8th House). Your money is being shared but you also get money back (tax return, tax refund).

posted January 23, 2018 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Astrofiend:
I don't think it's just other people's resources. It's shared.

The 8th House rules over sex, death, taxes, alimony, inheritance etc.

Two people have sex. Of course you can have sex with yourself but it's multiple bodies merging together to get to goal (orgasm).

Death: One someone you loves die, it's doesn't just effect the dead person. It effects you and you go through the different stages of death such as grieving, etc.

Taxes, alimony, inheritance.
If someone dies and leaves you money it was their money but it's now yours.
You have a job (6th house), earn money (2nd house) you got to pay taxes (8th House). Your money is being shared but you also get money back (tax return, tax refund).

It's too simplistic for the 8th House to just be other people's resources. It's much more than that.

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I said Eighth House rules over other people's resources, not that it only rules over other people's resources. Please stop fixing to type your fingers the terms "simplistic" and "black and white" if you're not properly reading the context of my posts.

Fifth House has more proper ruling over sex since it's the house of pleasures & children, and incidentally Venus finds her joy in that house. But really, I don't see what sex has to do with this.

posted January 23, 2018 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:

It can be, but it's not. Why would it be attributed to Neptune if Venus & Mercury already rule over which you speak of?

I still need proof of Neptune being the higher octave of Venus. Where did this come from? Saying Neptune is a higher octave of Venus basically strips Venus of its unique characteristics and make it "de-evolved" when it's not.

Look, I stated that Neptune can effect the individual personally but if Neptune is not making significant aspects to the angles or personal planets then its placement in the Houses or Sign doesn't say a lot. I have not seen the Outers make a significant impact on the chart without doing this.

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One planet being higher doesn't negate or lessen the impact of another. Maybe higher is the wrong word choice but that is just semantics.

Neptune is considered the higher octave of Venus.

Neptune has a lot in common with Venus but it has more time to bake in the oven. It has changed form a little and transformed into something else. Kinda like a pokemon.

It's not just personal, but it's worldly, international, etc.

I don't think Neptune being a higher octave strips Venus of its unique characteristics and makes it "de-evolved.

If you want to know the difference between Venus and Neptune in my opinion Neptune turns Venus attributes into something more spiritual and communal. It brings Venus into a realm that is not quite earthy but goes beyond.

posted January 23, 2018 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I said Eighth House [b]rules over other people's resources, not that it only rules over other people's resources. Please stop fixing to type your fingers the terms "simplistic" and "black and white" if you're not properly reading the context of my posts.

Fifth House has more proper ruling over sex since it's the house of pleasures & children, and incidentally Venus finds her joy in that house. But really, I don't see what sex has to do with this.

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Boo boo, if you are going to say something explain yourself. You literally just mentioned to quote "Eighth House is OTHER people's resources and finances". These are your words not mind hunnity.

You are " fixing to type your fingers" to defend yourself when instead you should explain yourself better. If your post had a proper context then maybe we can have a more meaningful discussion.

Fifth house is relationships, creativity, children, fun, romance, etc. Sex in the 5th house is more fun, casual and recreational in nature. In some regards it's about expressing yourself through sex and relationships. Hence why the natural ruler of the 5th house is Leo/The Sun. This is sort of self-centered/self-motivated placement in regardless to sex.

The 12th houses is about moving in different directions through the zodiac wheel.

The 7th House also has to do with sex but it's more relationship/Venus sex. This is why Libra/Venus is the natural ruler of the 7th House. It's marriage/relationship/committed partnership sex.

The 8th house has to do with sex too. The 8th is ruled by Scorpio/Pluto. The sex here is deeper/more intense. Taboo sex, sex that crosses boundaries such as rape. Sex in this house is not necessarily fun but it's transformational. Sex in this house is a shared resource.

posted January 23, 2018 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Astrofiend:
One planet being higher doesn't negate or lessen the impact of another. Maybe higher is the wrong word choice but that is just semantics.

Neptune is considered the higher octave of Venus.

Neptune has a lot in common with Venus but it has more time to bake in the oven. It has changed form a little and transformed into something else. Kinda like a pokemon.

It's not just personal, but it's worldly, international, etc.

I don't think Neptune being a higher octave strips Venus of its unique characteristics and makes it "de-evolved.

If you want to know the difference between Venus and Neptune in my opinion Neptune turns Venus attributes into something more spiritual and communal. It brings Venus into a realm that is not quite earthy but goes beyond.

I somewhat agree with the last part. The angles and personal planets are important. I still think Neptune will have an effect but not strong compared to if it was on angles/personal planets and major aspects.

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Considered, by WHOM? There is not even an agreement between Astrologers that the Outers are relevant in birth charts.

How can you be international and worldly AND spiritual? Those are mutually exclusive!

But International and Worldly:
Venus as all the inner planets are very worldly,
Both worldiness and international exposure are represented with ASC, MC, and Eleventh House. And you have the Fixed Stars & Arabic Parts for that even.

IDK man I belieeeeeeeeeeeeve Neptune has certain aspects of its own but it's not being a "higher octave".

posted January 23, 2018 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Astrofiend:
Boo boo, if you are going to say something explain yourself. You literally just mentioned to quote "Eighth House is OTHER people's resources and finances". These are your words not mind hunnity.

You are " fixing to type your fingers" to defend yourself when instead you should explain yourself better. If your post had a proper context then maybe we can have a more meaningful discussion.

Fifth house is relationships, creativity, children, fun, romance, etc. Sex in the 5th house is more fun, casual and recreational in nature. In some regards it's about expressing yourself through sex and relationships. Hence why the natural ruler of the 5th house is Leo/The Sun. This is sort of self-centered/self-motivated placement in regardless to sex.

The 12th houses is about moving in different directions through the zodiac wheel.

The 7th House also has to do with sex but it's more relationship/Venus sex. This is why Libra/Venus is the natural ruler of the 7th House. It's marriage/relationship/committed partnership sex.

The 8th house has to do with sex too. The 8th is ruled by Scorpio/Pluto. The sex here is deeper/more intense. Taboo sex, sex that crosses boundaries such as rape. Sex in this house is not necessarily fun but it's transformational. Sex in this house is a shared resource.

I am curious what is your 8th House ruler? Do you have any planets in the 8th House?

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Wtf is a hunity?

Uh, defending myself... right. We're having an Astrological discourse so please refrain from using remarks directed towards me personally as it's not relevant.
But since it has to be said, you lack some healthy nuance in your thinking and are quick to form emotion based opinions and it shows. So.. settle down okay.

Fifth House is the House of Children. Sex's primary purpose is to procreate children. You can't get anymore "the purposes of sex extending beyond its purest biological purposes" here. Lol come on now.

Seventh House is all manners of love & partnership which includes the relevant context of sex. It is relationships [whether platonic or romantic] and marriage.

Yeah um, I don't agree with Eighth House ruling sex in the same vein as Fifth House, not as its primary meanings anyway. Deeper and more intense sex is within the perspective of the individual, taboo sex... how is that different from regular sex but you know taboo?, sex that crosses boundaries such as molestation and rape.. yeah that is a little more than iffy to get into. But I'll say that is about power and control and deviance and shouldn't be equated to the likes of "intense" sex or "taboo" sex.

Isn't all sex transformational? Isn't all sex a shared resource?

posted January 24, 2018 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Considered, by WHOM? There is not even an agreement between Astrologers that the Outers are relevant in birth charts.

How can you be international and worldly AND spiritual? Those are mutually exclusive!

But International and Worldly:
Venus as all the inner planets are very worldly,
Both worldiness and international exposure are represented with ASC, MC, and Eleventh House. And you have the Fixed Stars & Arabic Parts for that even.

IDK man I belieeeeeeeeeeeeve Neptune has certain aspects of its own but it's not being a "higher octave".

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Astrologers don't even agree about a lot of things. Just like scientists don't agree about a lot of things. Just like religious people don't even agree about a lot of things. Just as political parties don't even agree about a lot of things. You see where I am going with this.

I honestly don't care if astrologers don't agree on everything. As long as they agree/have a clear understanding about the basics I am good.

I believe in higher octaves. You don't. That is fine. I am not going to try and convince you because frankly ain't nobody got time for that.

Yes all planets are worldly. The 9th House and 3rd House can be considered worldly because they have to do with travel/higher learning (9th) and communication/short term travel (3rd).

In the context I was explaining that Neptune is specifically international and worldly AND spiritual. I said this because it is a trans-personal planet. It's both social and personal. Some of people of your astrology generation share the same Neptune as you. At the same time you also experience Neptune on a personal level.

I'm Pluto in Scorpio generation. Some people in my generation share my Neptune in Capricorn. These people are self starters and very creative and business minded. We are practical in our spirituality maybe even sometimes cynical and self-conscious.

We are creating our reality, using mediums like social media and technology to achieve our dreams. Personally Neptune in Capricorn my dreams are financial stability and a non-traditional career path.

Neptune is about dreams, spirituality, illusions, glamour, smoke and mirrors. If you want to take the higher octave thing out, ok fine. There is still similarities and differences between Neptune and Venus.

Venus is very grounded and earthy. It is the ruler of air sign Libra and earth sign Taurus. Traditionally these signs are not the most passionate or emotional out of the other signs. Yes Venus is international and worldly but in terms of spirituality I don't attribute to Libra and Taurus other realm spirituality. This is not to say that these signs are not spiritual. I just don't think these spirituality based. Libra is social Venus and Taurus is earthy/material Venus.

Neptune is the modern ruler of Pisces. Pisces is the last and most spiritually inclined sign. It doesn't rule over the 12th House for no reason. Neptune picks off where Venus leaves off. It crosses boundaries (earthy ones like international and spiritual ones). Film is said to be Neptunian in nature.

A reason why is because it's elusive and interpretation varies. What you see may not be there? example: the popular saying the camera adds 10 pounds. Or if you look different in person than how you do on camera.

If want to compare and contrast Venus and Neptune. Take the fashion world. Every country and culture has a standard of beauty (Venus). Even so, add Neptune in there and Neptune merges all these standards, crosses these boundaries and can create a new one.

posted January 24, 2018 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Wtf is a hunity?

Uh, defending myself... right. We're having an Astrological discourse so please refrain from using remarks directed towards me personally as it's not relevant.
But since it has to be said, you lack some healthy nuance in your thinking and are quick to form emotion based opinions and it shows. So.. settle down okay.

Fifth House is the House of Children. Sex's primary purpose is to procreate children. You can't get anymore "the purposes of sex extending beyond its purest biological purposes" here. Lol come on now.

Seventh House is all manners of love & partnership which includes the relevant context of sex. It is relationships [whether platonic or romantic] and marriage.

Yeah um, I don't agree with Eighth House ruling sex in the same vein as Fifth House, not as its primary meanings anyway. Deeper and more intense sex is within the perspective of the individual, taboo sex... how is that different from regular sex but you know taboo?, sex that crosses boundaries such as molestation and rape.. yeah that is a little more than iffy to get into. But I'll say that is about power and control and deviance and shouldn't be equated to the likes of "intense" sex or "taboo" sex.

Isn't all sex transformational? Isn't all sex a shared resource?

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Hunity or Hunnity is slang. Not exactly but it's like a term of endearment (such as honey).

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I can say the same things about you. You're the one that told me "Please stop fixing to type your fingers....."

You made it personal boo boo. I don't respond well to people telling me what to do. I am sure you don't either.

Also please do not tell me to settle down. I am all right. Projection much?

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Again with the black and white thinking. The fifth house isn't just about children and procreation. IMO that is very simplistic and definitely shows (to use your words) "lack some healthy nuance in your thinking".

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I agree, the seventh house is a little bit more but whatever.
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Taboo sex is different from regular sex because it is taboo. If you were to break down rape/molestation it is about control, power, and deviance. It is sex but it crosses boundaries and makes thinks murky. Again Scorpio rules the 8th house. The 8th house is a private and emotional house by tradition. Of course your interpretation may differ since we all have different 8th house positions/planets.

If we just stick to tradition and the 8th House in Scorpio/Pluto, it's the stuff we keep private, shared resources, sex, death, taxes, etc.

By the way I don't think taboo sex is far away from regular sex. There are similarities. Whatever the case there are major differences too.

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I don't necessarily believe all sex is transformational. It can be/has the potential to be but at same time it can be ordinary and mundane. There are so much more factors to transformational experience. It definitely depends on the individual.

posted January 24, 2018 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Astrofiend:
Astrologers don't even agree about a lot of things. Just like scientists don't agree about a lot of things. Just like religious people don't even agree about a lot of things. Just as political parties don't even agree about a lot of things. You see where I am going with this.

I honestly don't care if astrologers don't agree on everything. As long as they agree/have a clear understanding about the basics I am good.

I believe in higher octaves. You don't. That is fine. I am not going to try and convince you because frankly ain't nobody got time for that.

Yes all planets are worldly. The 9th House and 3rd House can be considered worldly because they have to do with travel/higher learning (9th) and communication/short term travel (3rd).

In the context I was explaining that Neptune is specifically international and worldly AND spiritual. I said this because it is a trans-personal planet. It's both social and personal. Some of people of your astrology generation share the same Neptune as you. At the same time you also experience Neptune on a personal level.

I'm Pluto in Scorpio generation. Some people in my generation share my Neptune in Capricorn. These people are self starters and very creative and business minded. We are practical in our spirituality maybe even sometimes cynical and self-conscious.

We are creating our reality, using mediums like social media and technology to achieve our dreams. Personally Neptune in Capricorn my dreams are financial stability and a non-traditional career path.

Neptune is about dreams, spirituality, illusions, glamour, smoke and mirrors. If you want to take the higher octave thing out, ok fine. There is still similarities and differences between Neptune and Venus.

Venus is very grounded and earthy. It is the ruler of air sign Libra and earth sign Taurus. Traditionally these signs are not the most passionate or emotional out of the other signs. Yes Venus is international and worldly but in terms of spirituality I don't attribute to Libra and Taurus other realm spirituality. This is not to say that these signs are not spiritual. I just don't think these spirituality based. Libra is social Venus and Taurus is earthy/material Venus.

Neptune is the modern ruler of Pisces. Pisces is the last and most spiritually inclined sign. It doesn't rule over the 12th House for no reason. Neptune picks off where Venus leaves off. It crosses boundaries (earthy ones like international and spiritual ones). Film is said to be Neptunian in nature.

A reason why is because it's elusive and interpretation varies. What you see may not be there? example: the popular saying the camera adds 10 pounds. Or if you look different in person than how you do on camera.

If want to compare and contrast Venus and Neptune. Take the fashion world. Every country and culture has a standard of beauty (Venus). Even so, add Neptune in there and Neptune merges all these standards, crosses these boundaries and can create a new one.

Lastly we all have Venus in our charts. What we see as beauty, artistic is personal to us. What you will think is beautiful I may not think is beautiful. How I may express love is not as the same way you do. Venus is much more personal than Neptune (obviously).

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The thing is with Astrology is that you can't make up your own definitions and meanings since it already has a very defined and established system that you're working on.

Just because something new is introduced doesn't mean the system has to be completely changed to fit it.

On the contrary the new things have to revolve around the already established system.

This is why I disagree with the concept of "higher octaves" or "evolved" planets & signs, or planetary rulers & signs being attached at the hip together; believe it or not, Venus does not ONLY rule over Libra or Taurus. That sort of approach to Astrology is what creates this odd and false conflating of planetary meanings with sign meanings with house meanings that muddles and erases the boundaries between all of them.

Yes with scientists, religious authorities, ect there are disagreements on certain things BUT... those certain things usually have a mutual agreement to some severity of the meaning... meanwhile the things that are elusive.. not really proven... kind of.... vague (like Uranus and Neptune being "higher octaves" of already established planets & all the other rubbish) are usually only accepted by few, not really by the highest & official authority and conventional tried & true order of practices and beliefs.

3rd and 9th house also relates to divination, spirituality, intuition, dreams, and religion so it's not really worldly in the sense you're getting at there.

No, not "traditionally" that's false. First of all, Taurus is exalted in the Moon which is pretty much the opposite of materialistic unless you conflate it with Second house meanings for some reason. Second, Taurus is traditionally regarded as a bestial sign, which pretty much indicates all manners of passions and emotions.

You can say that for Libra though, since traditionally it's seen as a humanely and rational sign. Libra isn't also just social, it's also exalted in Saturn which shows a pragmatic and intellectual side to the sign that gets ignored these days because people would rather harp on its sexual and romantic connotations from Venus instead... sigh anyway.

Personally, I view Neptune's influence as more negative and far sinister than the good Venus.

posted January 24, 2018 01:12 AM            

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Hunity or Hunnity is slang. Not exactly but it's like a term of endearment (such as honey).

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I can say the same things about you. You're the one that told me "Please stop fixing to type your fingers....."

You made it personal boo boo. I don't respond well to people telling me what to do. I am sure you don't either.

Also please do not tell me to settle down. I am all right. Projection much?

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Again with the black and white thinking. The fifth house isn't just about children and procreation. IMO that is very simplistic and definitely shows (to use your words) "lack some healthy nuance in your thinking".

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I agree, the seventh house is a little bit more but whatever.
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Taboo sex is different from regular sex because it is taboo. If you were to break down rape/molestation it is about control, power, and deviance. It is sex but it crosses boundaries and makes thinks murky. Again Scorpio rules the 8th house. The 8th house is a private and emotional house by tradition. Of course your interpretation may differ since we all have different 8th house positions/planets.

If we just stick to tradition and the 8th House in Scorpio/Pluto, it's the stuff we keep private, shared resources, sex, death, taxes, etc.

By the way I don't think taboo sex is far away from regular sex. There are similarities. Whatever the case there are major differences too.

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I don't necessarily believe all sex is transformational. It can be/has the potential to be but at same time it can be ordinary and mundane. There are so much more factors to transformational experience. It definitely depends on the individual.

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You jumped right off the bat to try to tell me how I think is black and white because WE don't have the same perspective. You are absolutely very emotionally charged and borderline irrational. I wonder how you function in real life?

That being said, facts are facts. I probably know more Astrology than you do.

I don't need to bring up the whole complex meanings of a house just to show off my knowledge so I'm only bringing up the relevant meanings for this conversation. If you WERE an adept, good Astrologer you would get that. But I guess you ain't.... so. Bye bye.

posted January 24, 2018 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I don't even feel like quoting all of your dramatic responses but KarkaQueen you are really something else. Not just in this forum, but in other recent posts on other people's posts you've made it seem as though you have a bit of an attitude over very trivial things. Very snarky and overall very easily offended and acting like a know-it-all.

Please, calm yourself down. It is never as deep as you are trying to make it. I mean, really, getting so frustrated because we are saying one planet is associated with this or that and that one house is associated with this or that. Transiting moon is currently conjunct uranus. Seems like some of our emotions are all over the place. Are you okay over there?

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Ya'll stay getting in your feelings every time someone is rational and cuts the crap & try to project those boo boo hurt feelings on the other person yall mad at.

You need to get out of la la land and stop making up embarrassing and false information.

posted January 24, 2018 01:20 AM            

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Eighth House is OTHER people's resources and finances, btw, check the Second House to see how they do with their money.

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I am well aware the 8th house is other people's resources. Actors and singers and socialites and writers and such and such of the Neptunian 8th life make other people's money through their Neptunian pursuits. Again, I feel like that was not very hard to understand...

The thing with the 2nd and 8th house is that they both are where we draw income. The differentiation is that 2nd house is merely the house where we tend to draw money into ourselves rather than sharing it with others. The 8th house is where we gather money and tend to share it with others. If you read my original post with a little less frustration and bias I think you would've seen I made this point once or twice, albeit in different phrasing. Neptune = altruistic planet, rules Hollywood 8th = bringing in personal income, often shared. Notice how a lot of the Neptune in 8th house people I listed garner a lot of money out of survival instincts and then *gasp* share it FREQUENTLY through massive donations and other altruistic means? That is literally all I was saying.

posted January 24, 2018 01:23 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:

Ya'll stay getting in your feelings every time someone is rational and cuts the crap & try to project those boo boo hurt feelings on the other person yall mad at.

You need to get out of la la land and stop making up embarrassing and false information.

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You're really such a hateful and dramatic person. Sad. Truly. You think that your attitude is cute and not patronizing at all. You probably even think that everything you say is right and no one can be wrong either. Also, sad. But, hey I am just jumping to conclusions I suppose. Anyway, you pretty much ruined this thread with your snarky attitude. I just made this thread to have a nice conversation on the 8th house with my fellow astrology lovers. Seems like there is always going to be some Debbie-Downers who comes in and has to correct and overanalyze everything.

posted January 24, 2018 01:23 AM            

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I am well aware the 8th house is other people's resources. Actors and singers and socialites and writers and such and such of the Neptunian 8th life make other people's money through their Neptunian pursuits. Again, I feel like that was not very hard to understand...

The thing with the 2nd and 8th house is that they both are where we draw income. The differentiation is that 2nd house is merely the house where we tend to draw money into ourselves rather than sharing it with others. The 8th house is where we gather money and tend to share it with others. If you read my original post with a little less frustration and bias I think you would've seen I made this point once or twice, albeit in different phrasing. Neptune = altruistic planet, rules Hollywood 8th = bringing in personal income, often shared. Notice how a lot of the Neptune in 8th house people I listed garner a lot of money out of survival instincts and then *gasp* share it FREQUENTLY through massive donations and other altruistic means? That is literally all I was saying.

Several of the people on that list I included have earned **** ton amounts of money to their name easily but instead of hoarding it to themselves they quite often have dispersed it to family and friends and charities. SHARED INCOME. I said this so many times already.

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& I replied that not everyone who does these things have a Neptune in the Eighth.

Seriously tho, why you getting so defensive? Funny how I'm the one who's mad and offended yet yall the one that start resorting to lame & corny personal insults (that I only return the favor when you start, btw).

posted January 24, 2018 01:25 AM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
You're really such a hateful and dramatic person. Sad. Truly. You think that your attitude is cute and not patronizing at all. You probably even think that everything you say is right and no one can be wrong either. Also, sad. But, hey I am just jumping to conclusions I suppose. Anyway, you pretty much ruined this thread with your snarky attitude. I just made this thread to have a nice conversation on the 8th house with my fellow astrology lovers. Seems like there is always going to be some Debbie-Downers who comes in and has to correct and overanalyze everything.

I think it's for the best if Randall or Kannon come in and just close this thread. Good night to all.

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I'm hateful because I disagreed with you on Astrology??????

You post something, someone can and will likely disagree with it. How old are you????

Are you really getting offended and mad and calling someone HATEFUL because they said "no, you're making generalizations".

Oh my god.