posted February 12, 2018 04:05 PM            

The only "wonky" thing about her mental state/communication skills that I can speak of is that she is very nitpicky and easily ticked off by small things. But I think this is more because of her Taurus moon and fixed dominant (six planets in fixed signs). She is also very lazy and would slack off in school a lot (wouldn't even bother showing up sometimes and when she did she would put in the least effort for her work) but would still manage to score extremely high on our college placement exams but get pretty average scores on everything else. I don't know how she does it. It might be that Taurus in her chart? Though, personally, I think Mercury in Pisces is a pretty good placement. Since Pisces used to be ruled by Jupiter, isn't this a good placement for higher thinking? Or at least thinking outside the box.

I do not know her ascendant or birth time so I'm not sure of the house or angular aspects. She is one of those people who always goes "I don't know what the hell I am doing" but she is actually really smart and does stuff better than most of us. What do you think of Mercury in Pisces?

Her chart is

Sun in Aries
Moon in Taurus
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Aries
Mars in Taurus
Jupiter in Taurus
Saturn in Taurus
Uranus in Aquarius
Neptune in Aquarius

posted February 12, 2018 06:01 PM            

I think you need to look at the Mars sign actually. My sister has Mercury in Pisces and is a Cap Mars. She was a slow reader, and it took her more effort and time to process and accomplish her schoolwork, but she did it and was very steadfast in college. Very good at what she does now, and when she learns something, she learns it well.

My Mercury is in Leo, Mars in Virgo. I get concepts very quickly, and read quickly and accomplish quickly. But I am headed in too many different directions and tend to not retain the information for long. I get lost in tiny details and forget to look at the big picture and connect the dots.

One more. Taurus Mercury, Aqua Mars. Smarter than most people I know. Retains everything incredibly well and is usually right in an argument. She reads quickly, assimilates information quickly, but that Aqua Mars shows up in how she does it. She is not interested in pleasing anyone and therefore in school had poor grades, despite knowing how to do it all and knew the correct answers. She just didn't care to follow instructions if she didn't see the reasoning behind it. She's not worried about passing for someone else's benefit if she knows she knows what she needs to.

posted February 13, 2018 12:09 PM            

Most times people who are intelligent or very gifted intellectually struggle to find a place in society that utilizes them effectively.

Many turn to petty crimes and breaking the law to ease the intellectual tension. Others succumb to the inner chasm and become admitted to mental institutions because they can't cope with an overactive mind.

Others reach a point where the restlessness of the mind distracts them from ever having a normal routine life to a point where they become suicidal and leave a family behind.

posted February 13, 2018 03:21 PM            

I would also look at her 3rd house. This is the house of Gemini, where Mercury feels truly at home. If she has Mercury in the 3rd house, she might excel in academics. I have met a person with Mercury in Leo that is exactly the same as your friend. He picks up on things very quickly, is a very logical thinker, is good with his hands or practical application of theories he knows, etc. His Mercury is placed in the 3rd house, with a square to Pluto. I am the same way as your friend as well, I have Mercury in the 3rd house in Virgo.

I believe a well-placed Mercury can make someone very intelligent, regardless of which sign it is in.

Also, it depends on how you define intelligence. For some people, being just book smart is not a sign of intelligence, but rather the ability to think for themselves (critical thinking). Just my two cents.

posted February 13, 2018 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would look at Uranus/Saturn and Moon/Uranus for both the intelligence of thinking outside the box and the quick temper. Especially Moon/Uranus.

Most times people who are intelligent or very gifted intellectually struggle to find a place in society that utilizes them effectively.

Many turn to petty crimes and breaking the law to ease the intellectual tension. Others succumb to the inner chasm and become admitted to mental institutions because they can't cope with an overactive mind.

Others reach a point where the restlessness of the mind distracts them from ever having a normal routine life to a point where they become suicidal and leave a family behind.

Genius has to have an outlet otherwise it self-destructs!!

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It's really interesting that you said that. My friend is no criminal but she has done some very...questionable things. Out of pure boredom, at that. She purposely ruined a couple's relationship and when me and my friends asked her why she would do that (we didn't expect her to be like that) she said it was because she liked the guy and thought the girlfriend wasn't good enough for him; also said that she was just bored and felt like doing it. She then told us how she threatened the boyfriend to break up with his girlfriend and start dating her instead or else she (my friend) would tell the girlfriend that he was cheating on her. He wasn't (kinda) but he got freaked and broke up with her anyway.

posted February 13, 2018 06:59 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
Each Mercury is smart. Mercury in Pisces has its own intelligence... Mercury in Virgo is not smart for everything, doesn't understand everything.

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True. I have another friend with Mercury in Virgo and I hate to say it like this but she is not very "smart". At least, she is not very good with academics. When you first look at her, she is the type of person who you would assume to be extremely intelligent and book smart but... She stresses and struggles through school every year. She is very slow at getting things done too. It took her 3x as long to finish work we all get through in a day a two. She got held back a grade when we were really really little. She is not "stupid" though. I just think she had a hard time getting through the fast-paced atmosphere of daily work and school life. When she had lots of free time on her she would do great work that looked better than a lot of ours. She is the type of person who needs a month to do a day's work but when she finishes that work it still looks flawless.

posted February 14, 2018 12:28 AM            

Unfortunately the other problem with being too smart is lacking empathy for others and in extreme cases, psychopathic tendencies.

Sometimes these people can get so caught up in playing mind games and drawing circles around others, that they may find this too stimulating and addictive than forming genuine bonds.

The thrill of being able to pull a fast one or cause havoc can be arousing for them. Again this could be mental capabilities not being used productively.

An Aquarian mate of mine who has Moon/Mercury/Mars on Uranus by square will often make questionable decisions that really are plain odd.

When I ask about why he made them, his answer is often "I just wanted to see what will happen if I did".

As if people's lives are scientific experiments from which one can collect samples and draw conclusions etc.

But at their core(Moon) they can be experimental (Uranus). Indifferent to the outcome and detached from the people whom they partake on these " experiments " with.

Interestingly though with my friend, Cancer placements break that intellectual wall. It could be because of the 7th house cusp in Cancer. But he really cannot resist attaching himself to those with strong Cancer/Moon placements.

posted February 14, 2018 05:55 AM            

I'm certainly not somebody who's ever been deemed unintelligent, but the kind of intelligence I esteem is Uranus based. Personally, academia to me is oppressive and narrows the capacity for creative thought. My Sun-Jupiter in Aquarius got me through schooling very easily but the desire to spend more years listening to theoretical, unsubstantiated, evidence-based teachings, was absent.

I'm creative and innovative, academia in my opinion stifles both of those traits.

I agree that Mercury doesn't necessarily describe 'intelligence' but then we all have different view of what that actually is.

I believe Mercury rules Gemini, I can see it's exalted in Aquarius and have noted in detriment and fall it can bring a tendency to 'waffle'. Real intelligence though I think is Saturn - endurance, Uranus - sparks of genius and Pluto - psychological understanding.

On this basis I would imagine that a peregrine (unaspected) Mercury would probably struggle the most, but I don't tend to view people in terms of their abilities so that's not something I've studied.

posted February 14, 2018 03:17 PM            

I am intelligent and quick witted. I think I am more creative intelligent than analytical intelligent. I am very detail oriented and neat and organized.

posted February 14, 2018 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Mercury in Pisces here and I absolutely love it; happily nestled, as it is in a grand trine with Moon-Saturn and Ascendant-Uranus it has the gentle imaginative freedom of Pisces, along with the back up of cognisance and strategic ability.

I'm certainly not somebody who's ever been deemed unintelligent, but the kind of intelligence I esteem is Uranus based. Personally, academia to me is oppressive and narrows the capacity for creative thought. My Sun-Jupiter in Aquarius got me through schooling very easily but the desire to spend more years listening to theoretical, unsubstantiated, evidence-based teachings, was absent.

I'm creative and innovative, academia in my opinion stifles both of those traits.

I agree that Mercury doesn't necessarily describe 'intelligence' but then we all have different view of what that actually is.

I believe Mercury rules Gemini, I can see it's exalted in Aquarius and have noted in detriment and fall it can bring a tendency to 'waffle'. Real intelligence though I think is Saturn - endurance, Uranus - sparks of genius and Pluto - psychological understanding.

On this basis I would imagine that a peregrine (unaspected) Mercury would probably struggle the most, but I don't tend to view people in terms of their abilities so that's not something I've studied.

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posted February 14, 2018 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Please tell me HOW Mercury does not rule over Virgo??????????

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posted February 14, 2018 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I didn't say Mercury is not ruling over Virgo. I'm just asking about the debate over whether or not it is...Some astrologers have been arguing that Chiron rules Virgo and Mercury is only ruling Gemini. Which is why I was wondering, by their logic, where Mercury in Pisces would go in terms of intellect and such since before this debate started a lot of astrologers said Mercury in Pisces is one of the weakest due to it being opposite Mercury in Virgo.

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