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XzaultaX
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posted February 21, 2018 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just have to say that this transit is really an eye opener, especially to a 15 year old male. I was always seen as that 'nice quiet kid' at school, but recently I know I need to change my ways for the future.
YouTube recommended a video that caught my eye name, Top 10 Things Only Red-Pill Men Understand About Women by Turd Flinging Monkey. The first three minutes of the video connected to me instantly, since I could connect this to my life on a day to day basis. The first point he made is that when women come to take your food even when they have their own, they are testing if you will allow her to do whatever they want to do. I have this friend who I sit with at lunch everyday who claims 'they don't have food', even though she leeches off of her other friend who's a girl (I didn't think about this part until recently), everyday she reaches for my food and on some days I even bring utensils from the line so she can eat every since the beginning of the school year. At first, I thought this was courtesy and charity, since she claims 'I don't have food'.
Last week before the video, I had to skip breakfast, since I woke up a little late. When lunch time came, I did the usual. I sat down and was getting ready to eat *my* food. She reaches over to take a french fry, just like in the video. I said stop taking my food, since I was hungry that day and she got really defensive and told me, 'then leave', like she owned the damned table and like she owned me. I said nothing in response, because she's the type of person who will start unnecessary things. After that, she *did not* take anymore of my stuff and respected me.
After watching the video, I remember her saying many times over the past school year that she would never see me as dominate in sex, but now I know why. I thought to myself, is this what all girls think of me, he nice submissive boy, who you can just push around? Is this why I'm not in a relationship right now, while everyone has something going on in their romantic life? I need to change my ways (Pluto); I need to become more assertive (Mars) and more like a man.
I'm really glad that I discovered that video while I'm young. There are men in the comments section that lived for decades wishing that they had known that women are far more complicated than what is perceived 20 years ago. I guess I'm just lucky.

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charlie
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posted February 21, 2018 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to my club :-/ I don't have natal mars in Libra but I DO have some pretty tight Pluto/Marsaspects going on here and there along with transit PLuto squares, conjunctions and oppositions.

I am extremely aggressive right now (am a woman) without showing it but for some reason people just HAVE TO push my buttons and "test me".

You don't need to be "assertive" to be a man, nor aggressive. Just know your boundaries and do NOT let people try and manipulate you, ( oh yes they will try..) or make you sad when they show their true colors, and yes: they will.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted February 21, 2018 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Charlie.

As a Mars in Libra (but older) I do understand your point of view. As I was young too and many thought me "prim and proper" in high school.

But one thing you must remember is that high school is NOT the be all and end all of your identity. Even though it may certainly feel that way whilst you are there.

We are living in interesting times. On one hand males are told to be more sensitive and compassionate. Whilst on the other, males are fighting to keep their more aggressive nature as the "true" signature of manhood.

I think what is at the heart of masculinity paranoia is the possible "loss" of erection or virility/impotence.

The penis is an extremely important anatomic tool for men. And women can continue to drive that home when they grade a man's sexual performance with how "soft" they perceive that man to be.

As much as women dislike the patriarchal system. Women also have to admit that they are the gate-keepers by projecting the ideal that a "real" man is intrinsically beastly and animalistic.

That a real man "takes", fights, shows his muscle power, is indelicate and selfishly goes after what they want etc. These are juvenile ideals that are quickly abandoned the older women grow.

Just like men idealize the big boobs, big butt and small waist of the female form. As if to suggest through things such as Men's Health, Fhm and the like, that a "real woman" Sophia Vergara type women is the only "woman" there should be.

Again, these are prepubescent ideas that impress on the minds of young men. But are
also seen as nonsensical when men grow up.

Be careful not to let others define for you what "manhood" is and let their point of view define you when you are still so young. Especially when I see that her opinion of you sexually, affects your thoughts of you.

Women tend to feel as insecure about their bodies/femininity as men feel about their manhood. So if you make a comment of how u see her turning any man she dates gay. She will start to not feel so great. Feed her comments to the birds and don't ever listen to that dribble

Pluto is squaring my Mars in Libra too. And the result is increased feelings of either disdain or obsession for things I hate on one hand and things I really love on the other.

I think the key to Mars is to understand when its appropriate to assert and when not to.

The Pluto square may make every slight seem like a declaration of war. Or someone stepping on your shoes as an outright disrespect to your humanity. Be careful.

You may end up isolating yourself a lot more than you intended. As people often encourage assertiveness which is great. But also note that when you go overboard and declare war on everyone, you are bucking the current.

And that is both taxing and unnecessary.

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SecretGeek
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posted February 21, 2018 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give her all your fries.

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Isa
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posted February 21, 2018 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Red Pill is a disgrace to both women and men. Please, stop watching their videos while you can. You are only 15 years old, you'll regret being an ******* later on.

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posted February 21, 2018 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar_Leo_Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there, fellow Mars in Libra here. I completely agree with your experience. Pluto forces you to face your darkest fears. It’s good that you have learned to stand up for yourself at this age especially. Your teens are a very sensitive period. I hope one of my friends who keeps whining about being the “nice guy” realizes what you have realized. He has Mars in Libra too. People in general are not gonna respect you if you let them do whatever they please.

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posted February 21, 2018 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I only followed Red Pill's advice once in my entire life and I got dumped on the same day. Never again!!!!

It's better to be yourself than to take Red Pill, Blue Pill or whatever crap is available out there.

One thing I have realized over time is never get into relationships if you don't love yourself. And I think "nice" guys tend to lack self-love(been there), heck even these "Red Pill" guys only love their "macho" image, who knows what will be the case once the image crumbles which eventually happens if you keep poking the bear, in the right way that is to see what's underneath it all.

Following Red Pill's advices will get you women though, through domination and manipulation, heck even without following them, if you shoot 100 birds you are bound to hit one, shooting 100 birds is tiresome ofcourse but a hungry man has no other options. You will require enough patience and perseverance to shoot down 100 birds but like I said a hungry man has no other options.

BUT one thing to remember is love disappears the moment all these enter: domination, manipulation, this advice, that advice(I'd put even astrological advices in the same lump coz I feel if you analyze someone(which is your partner, her) too much astrologically, you will fail to see who they really actually are, all you will be stuck with are bunch of concepts and descriptions written by god knows who and how many of them and the point to remember is that it's their own perspectives which they have got through their own life, not yours).

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posted February 21, 2018 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Give her all your fries.

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XzaultaX
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posted February 21, 2018 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@charlie @Aries23Degrees
Thanks for the life advice and enlightening me. I'm probably just trying to grow up too quickly, like all young people.

@SecretGeek
lol yes

@Isa
I appreciate that you're trying to look out for my young person. I'll try not get too submerged into that philosophy. The video's point brings back memories to my childhood on how my mom treats my dad, which connects to the red pill's point on marriage. I can tell, both my mom and my dad are getting more and more bitter with each other as the years go on. Even today on the radio, I heard one of the red pill's point about marriage which advertised, "Who's going to pay the bill's when your husband dies, get life insurance!".

@Solar_Leo_Queen
Glad that you agree. Hope your friend realizes that he shouldn't let people push him around and that doesn't make people have the best opinion on him.

@anonymidarkness
Willing to share your experience with 'the red pill'? It's better to be aware of these hidden social cues than being labeled as 'the nice guy', then wondering why you're being abused in your relationship. I do agree that just turning the tables and abusing the woman in return is morally wrong, but how do we, as a society, stop abuse from both sides? I don't want to become fully immersed in the red pill; I want to learn about it, so I know the cues to not get abused or manipulated in the future.

You're not wrong about me judging people based on aspects or placements. Since the natal chart is said to be like the 'map of this lifetime', I do judge people based on natal charts and completely forgot about the life experiences part.

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XzaultaX
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posted February 22, 2018 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for XzaultaX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started to observe my mom and dad more closely to see how they interact with each other. It's horrible. How has he put up with this for so many for decades.

Today I was getting my dinner ready, my sister was on the couch nearby because she already ate, and my parents were at the dinner table eating. I was focused on preparing my food, but then my mom started yelling at my dad for some reason and that's when I start observing them and sat down at the table. 40% of the time she was talking about herself and things related to herself, 15% of the time was really just random comments, and the other 45% was all negative things about my father. She made fun of his penis size, she's trying to control the times when he is allowed to have fun, telling him to fix his hands that he can't even wash off because his occupations requires hard and dirty work, attempting to guilt trip for not spending enough time on her though he is at work a lot of the time, yelling at him for not spending enough money on her, and when my dad asked her a question she just ignored him and kept talking about herself. When she turns to me and talks to me specifically her tone completely changes from hostile and demanding to motherly and caring. What the hell is this? Does this happen in every relationship or is it just my parents?

My sister said nothing, I said nothing, and my father said nothing. My dad has always been a jolly man, but why is he letting himself get emotionally attacked. For me to think this was normal for so many years and only for me to realize this now after just a few red pilled videos is just sad, plain sad.

I feel like I know why I have a stellium in the 4th house in my current solar return (which also includes Mars square Pluto), my current tPluto square Mars, and tChiron square Saturn. I'm going to confront him saying, "I don't like the was mom is treating you, why do you let it happen?", when it's just him and I.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted February 22, 2018 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
XzaultaX, heavy questions and good insights for a 15-year-old. However, I think your moderate response to your friend was reasonable, and I don't think you need to change to become more a 'man.' A real man will not get drawn into such manipulations. A real man will treat women respectfully even if they do not treat you respectfully. In other words, remain within your own power and integrity. Don't redefine yourself based on how one person appears to see you. That is the image she holds in her mind. It has nothing to do with you. So don't change because of it.

Change because you want to grow, and do it on your own terms.

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ReachingForTheStars
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posted February 22, 2018 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People suck!

I’m kidding.

I second everything Kannon said.

As another mars in Libra, I know what that struggle for personal power feels like. The worst thing you can do is allow yourself to feel bitter about whatever injustices you’re observing in the world. It can be so demoralizing that it hardens your heart and damages your perspectives. It will make you miserable and people will be repelled by the negativity brewing within yourself.

There are powers issues in the world today that are making people crazy! Kannon said, “A real man will treat women respectfully even if they do not treat you respectfully.” This is how you own yourself. DO NOT allow the actions of others (male or female) dictate how YOU think and behave; DO NOT engage in *** for tat tactics and betray what you know is a higher course of action because someone else isn’t able to do the same. In other words, the inner dialogue will sound something like, “why should I treat women fairly; they’re a horrible bunch of privledged opportunist.” Treat a person respectfully because it’s the right thing to do. It’s not contingent on how A or B behaves. Hate breeds hate, so be attentive to what you put out into the world. It seems so far that you haven’t succumb to this kind of thinking patterns, which you should be commended for!!!

I don’t know about you, but all I sense in Red Pill advice or things like it is hurt and hate in all its forms. Bitterness. Animosity. Contempt. I think maybe you identify with those experiences, and it’s ok if you do. Acknowledging a problem is the first step towards finding a solution. Once you develop better boundaries and have a concrete value system, these experiences will become less threatening. Men AND women both need to learn to treat each other better.

Do you know why a feminist movement even exists?

This article was written in 2013, but take a look at these vintage ads. This reflects the collective conscious of our recent past:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/nico-lang/2013/09/these-45-sho ckingly-sexist-vintage-ads-will-make-you-glad-to-live-in-2013/

Most of it is just as dehumanizing as the interaction between your parents. The present is a consequence of the past, and those ads are where we’re coming from.

The issues are much deeper than many understand. Our beliefs are entrenched and they come from a broken network of faulty philosophies. It’s going to take lots of relearning or rediscovery to make things better. The world needs more insightful and compassionate leaders right now. Be one of them. You can be assertive, affirm your boundaries and still be the nice guy! That is the difference between macho and masculine, and that my young friend is SEXY!!!!

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Randall
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posted February 28, 2018 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I third what Kannon said.

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Lerena
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posted February 28, 2018 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post is a lot longer than I expected it to be. My dream of being a writer seems to be showing itself through how much I've written here. Hopefully you'll be able to read all of this, but if you don't, I really wouldn't blame you.

I can't remember what the Pluto square to my Mars was like. I'll admit having to look up when Pluto entered Capricorn so I could even find out what age I was when the transit occurred. Regardless, the advie I am about to give you is based on my own experiences and it is probably not even related to the transit you're having at this point. After all, what I'm about to say is a point I've arrived at very recently. As in, within the past month recently. It hasn't even been a week since I got here (that is, being fully comfortable with being who I am without regard to the criticism of others).

Well, anyway, here's my advice. While you don't want to go around acting like a complete douche, you are most likely fine as you are. This shouldn't stop you from being willing to improve and mature, but there is no reason to focus exclusively on how one person sees you and how other people view you should come second to how you view yourself.

When you're older, the topic of what you like in bed will likely come up at some point simply as a result of maturing as an adult. However, your preferences are not an issue no matter what they are. Are you submissive in bed? That's fantastic. Have fun. Are you actually dominant? That's fantastic too. Have fun.

Back when I was 15, I cared what people thought of me. I was very lonely and I felt like I was constantly being judged. As I grew older, this thinking persisted until I was basically forced to stop caring. By forced, I do mean forced and from the outside. You see, I used to care way too much about how other people viewed me and I used to be very deeply wounded in regards to my self-esteem. Why? People used to bully me and this likely had some effect on me. I am diagnosed with severe Major Depression, which means I am that much more vulnerable to thinking poorly of myself. This was the case for a long time and I never expected this to change. It did, because my circumstances took an unusual turn last year during Saturn's opposition to my Moon and probably Pluto's conjunction to my natal Uranus and Neptune positions.

Many people are familiar with what abuse is like if they've experienced it. Most of those people have experienced abuse from another person. Me? I was my own abuser and someone that is abusing themselves has absolutely nowhere to run. The fact I was abusing myself became very clear to me on some level at the moment I finally began to seriously believe what I was saying to myself on a regular basis. At this moment, I knew what the solution was and I did not feel like I could do anything to get there. It felt like I had gone too far and I had no ability to reverse the damage I had done to myself. For one reason or another, I developed anhedonia. After I fixed my self-esteem, that reversed my anhedonia entirely.

Now, I don't want to go into my life story or anything, but the point of what I've just said is to demonstrate the damage that can be caused when you are overly affected by the opinions and beliefs of other people. It is unlikely my situation has anything to do with you and I do not think you will fall into the same trap I did. It is worth noting though that regardless there will people that criticize you. There will be people that judge you and hate on you and even try to hurt you. Not everyone can like you. The people that matter are the people that give you balanced feedback on your strengths and weaknesses, the people that don't judge you, the people that don't hate on you or want to hurt you at all. The people that support you, accept you for who you are, and who always have your back are way more important than anyone that doesn't. What matters as well is how you view yourself. Nothing anyone else says is as important as your ability to own who you are without an ounce of guilt.

It is not worth changing yourself to fit what everyone else defines as "manhood." I do not like when women reinforce the stereotype of what manhood is. The books I want to write basically punch that stereotype of manhood in the face. If someone says they're a man, they're a man. There is nothing more attractive in a man than being able to own who he is without giving in to what other people claim he should be. And more importantly, the best way to stand up for yourself is by doing things that make you happy. Nothing drives a critic nuts more than being happy with yourself and your life when they hate your guts.

At the end of the day, if someone criticizes you for soemthing like your perceived dominance or lack thereof, they are not worth your time. You're 15. You are not an adult. The bedroom is not an important aspect of your life at this point and there is no reason you should have to think about it right now. I'm betting that girl that claimed you can't be dominant has serious issues with herself. What is she lacking that makes her think it's okay to take food from other people?

In short, when someone that hates you or is critical of you sees you enjoying your life they'll go absolutely berserk from frustration, because your life is much better than theirs and they can't figure out what to do to change that.

I know that being happy will drive all the people hating on you nuts, because someone I used to hate being so happy was a massive hit to my inability to be happy myself. My brother and I were raised basically the same way and he used to feel like someone that got the better deal. Since I have Major Depression, it used to feel like I'd never be happy and I couldn't ever think positively about myself since poor self-esteem is a feature of Major Depression. As I used to think that It's not possible to be happy with yourself if you have Major Depression, this dragged me ever deeper into my destructive patterns until my anhedonia resulted in me ceasing to care, which was oddly enough quite effective - after all, I did care too much and putting a stop to that was beneficial in terms of stopping my negativity and it was a double win that I reversed my anhedonia by figuring out where my self-esteem issues originated thus allowing me to change that mindset entirely.

Additionally, someone being submissive does not mean you get to push that person around. I'm submissive in bed, but I will not put up with being treated like complete garbage, not anymore, not ever again. I'm done being a complete doormat. When I'm submissive, it's because I choose to be. No one can *make* me do anything simply because of my personal preference in the bedroom.

Be yourself and keep being respectful, compassionate, and fair. Mars in Libra may not be the best placement for Mars, but there is nothing actually wrong with this placement or any other placement. Honestly, no one has any right to be with you if they don't like who you really are. It's fine to not have a relationship right now. I wish I had waited a lot longer before dating anyone.

Oh, and one last thing. Think about your wants and needs in a relationship before you try to get into one. Your chances of finding a good partner for yourself are much higher if you know what you want beforehand.

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posted February 28, 2018 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read all of that through to the very end

@Lerena

Do you have Mercury-Jupiter/Neptune aspects?

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posted March 05, 2018 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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