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Lalafortunaea
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posted March 12, 2018 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you say you prefer to only know about the good parts of a sign (yours in particular) or do you think knowing both sides of the coin is important?

Do you feel personally attacked if someone points out a negative? Do you believe negative qualities exist in your sign and others?

What benefit, if any, is there to talking about signs from a wholly positive point of view? Or wholly negative?

Do you think of any descriptions as unfair?

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Aries23Degrees
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posted March 12, 2018 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love it because with Sag Sun and Asc in Aries,most of the negative is true.

I used to get defensive about my Moon in Cancer negative traits. Made me seem like a wimp!

But I now know that its the patriarchal way that society views things and the strong feminine nature in a male personality, is still seen as a "weakness"

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posted March 12, 2018 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are positives and negatives about everything. It's just normal. It's energy and the Nature of things.

Speaking generally about self-help material that is out there, in written and video form--- (not saying anything about people here, okay LOL).

Some people insert their prejudices and make it an opportunity to 'personally' subtly 'attack' classes of signs; I've heard put-downs, and added negative spins to aspects-- rather than to inform or entertain?

There are "ways" to deliver the information, that can affect the recipient.

I think some of the humor threads are hilarious as well as educational.

In general (outside of LL)
Some speakers/writers use editorial-tones. You can 'hear' the toxic judgmental barely-couched tones (rather than "just informing" from a good spirit). Some of this can feel very lacerating to a person who is of a sensitive nature and 'hears between the lines' of subtle-communications. The speaker might EVEN be totally unconscious that they do that...

I have also heard reports that "felt" completely 'safe' and comfortable to hear the negatives. There is a Loving way to present information. This is the Art and skill of a Healer. No shaming. No degradations. We 'ALL' have faults and failings... it's part of the Beauty of the person-- especially those who are Aware and like to work on themselves already.

Sometimes it's certain 'imperfections' that make a person just-perfect the way they are.

I've always warned others about some 'shadow workers'. I've watched some souls become really 'depressed' and hopeless. That's the effect caused from an ill-trained, unskilled Teacher/practitioner.

Some of those can actually cause DAMAGE to the self's-esteem.

If that is happening to you?, back out.
You can go back and try a few more times?
If you keep getting the same effect? ..
SWITCH teachers/practitioners/counselors.
They are NOT a Good Match for you.

I have listened (in workshops) to some GREAT shadow workers. These were TRULY professional, and knew how to 'deliver' without the effect of outer-delivered 'cruel shaming' and doing damage.

It's important to hear all the info--
It's the primary responsibility of the teacher/author, to present things in a non-judgmental, non-condescending, not-patronizing nor in a toxic way.

That kind of energy HARMS others--
lacerates and burns,
rather than informs or Heals.

*Do No Harm*

{Thanks, Lalafortunaea -- haha, I see you are at post number '444'... That's an Angel Number. Have a great day!}

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capricorncheriscty
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posted March 12, 2018 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capricorncheriscty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not offended really. I just think that some astrologers take it too far. Some of their interpretations are not even "dark" anymore, they're just plain fatalistic like telling people they're going to die or get raped or get in a car accident or have ten miscarriages. It's ridiculous. For me, there is a clear difference between what is and isn't positive and negative interpretations. Saying you don't like my sign is not negative to me. Saying a sign can be annoying or childish is not that bad to me. Saying a sign is more likely to be happy and lucky is not that bad to me. It's not positive or negative to me, I think it is valid.
But when they are saying such SPECIFIC things like "if you have this sign in this house aspected to this planet you will probably experience a rape firsthand and lose all of your money around the time of this transit. Good luck b*tch. " It's just so stupid. Even if you did examine someone's chart front to back and just basically dissected it piece for piece, there is no way you can call out such specificities like that. Everyone sign placement, house placement, aspect plays out differently for different people. The ridiculously flamboyant fatalistic generalizations is what offends and p*sses me off. I am fine with the dark stuff, like talking about spiritual paths and how we tie into the universe. The ridiculously flamboyant fatalistic generalizations is what offends and p*sses me off.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 12, 2018 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing I think I ever took exception to was the thing about Taureans being lazy. I understand the leisurely nature of Taureans, and I am that way, but I never felt lazy. I always felt that normal work and efforts took more out of me than it did for most other people. By the time I left high school I already had my 3rd job (my 2nd regular job), so I could not relate to 'lazy' given the Saturn influences.

I guess I don't get offended so much as just ignore a line of reasoning or interpretation that doesn't ring true or have much depth to it. Any astrology can repeat the same old cliches as if they were the genius who came up with them, but I don't give any of that my time or consideration anymore.

I do think that modern humanistic astrologers such as Liz Greene and Robert Hand have a lot to offer with pairing modern psychology and the shadow side into interpretations, which can be interwoven seamlessly without making a big deal of it.

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posted March 12, 2018 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not easily offended about much. I do get tired of hearing the same old categorizations of Virgo, though. It seems like we're a very polarized sign - either you really know us, love us, and appreciate us for who we really are. Or you hate us and feel the need to "warn" everybody about how "mean, picky, cold, etc." our sign us. I guess the same is with Scorpio, Capricorn, and other signs. Still, it would be nice if people had some *new* complaints about us!

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posted March 13, 2018 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get offended when people make assumptions, especially about gemini, which isn't my sun. Then I try to remember that much of the world isn't checking for venus in gemini, before they get to know you, or even after.

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posted March 13, 2018 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never get offended. I love being Gemini. I love Gemini Sun, Venus and Mercury. I would not like to have the Moon, though. I know my character and that, at heart, I am a Cancer Moon and we are very loyal. That makes me not care what people say about Gemini.

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posted March 13, 2018 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I never get offended. I love being Gemini. I love Gemini Sun, Venus and Mercury. I would not like to have the Moon, though. I know my character and that, at heart, I am a Cancer Moon and we are very loyal. That makes me not care what people say about Gemini.


Oh, for goodness sake. Moon in Gemini does not suck. Moon in Gemini is extremely loyal. It's funny how the people that turn on us, and are the first to ditch us, say that we are the ones who aren't loyal.


I love being Aries, too - and I will stand up for any sign.

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posted March 13, 2018 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After dealing with two taurus sun/moons who lied and sneaked around, such good liars! I'm over generalizations about certain signs being incredibly loyal and wonderful.

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posted March 13, 2018 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine Tests     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do you tend to get offended when astrologers explore the darker side of your sign?

Astrologers tend to get offended when they explore the darker side of my sign.

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StubbornVirgo
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posted March 13, 2018 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Oh, for goodness sake. Moon in Gemini does not suck. Moon in Gemini is extremely loyal. It's funny how the people that turn on us, and are the first to ditch us, say that we are the ones who aren't loyal.

Here, here. I love my Gemini Moon. We're funny, loyal, light-hearted people, and the world needs plenty of that!

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posted March 13, 2018 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nine Tests:
Astrologers tend to get offended when they explore the darker side of my sign.

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Lalafortunaea
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posted March 14, 2018 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nine Tests:
Astrologers tend to get offended when they explore the darker side of my sign.

LOL!!!

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{Thanks, Lalafortunaea -- haha, I see you are at post number '444'... That's an Angel Number. Have a great day!}

Oh, well that's interesting

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posted March 14, 2018 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine Tests:
Astrologers tend to get offended when they explore the darker side of my sign.

!! Now THAT is Funny!

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teasel
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posted March 14, 2018 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Here, here. I love my Gemini Moon. We're funny, loyal, light-hearted people, and the world needs plenty of that!


I'm not lighthearted, anymore, unfortunately. I definitely miss it. I want my sense of humour back. I find it interesting that people project all kinds of things onto Gemini - I find that I deal with things in others, that people would assume about me, just because of my Moon or Venus, or even my Sun in Aries. I remember a Libra insulting me, and cutting me off, getting facebook applause for being aggressive and doing what Aries would be normally be lauded for (standing up for oneself). I was attacked out of nowhere, there was no communication about her problem beforehand, and I haven't trusted her since. Yet she will go on about wonderful Libra, and aggressive, nasty Mars.

I'll delete this. Didn't mean to rant. I just wonder why it's so easy for people to turn on someone who keeps getting attacked, acting like they're asking for it. Joining in, rather than saying, "Hey, this is ******** ."

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posted March 14, 2018 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
{luv u Teasel }

(music) The Lazy Song (Bruno Mars, perf by Megan Nicole, comedy) [3:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYen-3VU2Q

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posted March 15, 2018 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God no, I feel relieved....that at least I'm not completely alone in my bad traits. Astrology helped me feel less guilty to be myself (Libra Rising) as it's horrible to hurt people, but so long as you learn who you are and how to explain that, you rarely do. ♥

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posted March 16, 2018 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, but there's a part of me that wants to prove them wrong.

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posted March 17, 2018 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I think astrology is a guide to the truth, good or bad and we shouldn't deny ourselves that opportunity to grow past those darker parts of ourselves. If we are unaware then we can't work of them.

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posted March 17, 2018 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
No I think astrology is a guide to the truth, good or bad and we shouldn't deny ourselves that opportunity to grow past those darker parts of ourselves. If we are unaware then we can't work of them.

Preach!

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posted March 17, 2018 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
No I think astrology is a guide to the truth, good or bad and we shouldn't deny ourselves that opportunity to grow past those darker parts of ourselves. If we are unaware then we can't work of them.

Sometimes, people will project onto you. Quite a bit, actually. I just see people as people now, generally. Not Gemini or Taurus, etc.

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posted March 17, 2018 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
{luv u Teasel }

(music) The Lazy Song (Bruno Mars, perf by Megan Nicole, comedy) [3:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYen-3VU2Q


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posted March 17, 2018 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine Tests:
Astrologers tend to get offended when they explore the darker side of my sign.


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posted March 17, 2018 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't, as long as it's competent and accurate.

One reason I respect an astrological counselor is because unlike the professional counselor (though seemed expert in platitudes of no use to us) me and a partner went to, she pointed out how our charts shaped our personalities and how it wasn't particularly compatible. Anything is possible, of course, and she gave helpful advice on how to make it endure, but she warned it was unlikely. And she was right for the reasons she said.

It's also worth noting that a lot of traits are neither positive nor negative in an objective sense, it depends more on the people and the situation involved, and whether it's good or bad is often a subjective assessment that can vary widely even within the same group. As just one example,someone highly resolved can get things done and be dependable, but that also can be seen as stubborn, bossy, and unreasonable at times. Another example is that someone who leans fickle also tends to be adaptable and thus easy to work with, depending on the situation and your own taste. As the saying goes, a weed in one garden is a flower in another.

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Given that this is LL, I feel compelled to add that plenty of "darker sides" are actually people projecting their own issues onto a sign or placement, and sometimes is to the point that it becomes contradictory (such as stubborn yet spineless), basically the worst they can think of in all ways. In other cases, they take a description--both the good and the bad--and take them to a ridiculous extreme that is virtually never going to apply to anyone (at least not according to most people). Sometimes it gets so silly that we once had a member doing an experiment about how negative a certain sign or placement was--always with the same traits--and it was getting agreement no matter what, until I pointed out that pretty soon everyone was going to be tarred with the same brush (that's when s/he said it was an experiment on LL). It's not so much that it offends me as it exasperates me, and has caused me to reevaluate my belief in astrology. This kind of "exploring the darker side" (be it projection or taking to an absurd level) should not be confused with genuine exploring the sign with some common sense.

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