posted March 30, 2018 12:53 PM            

Jupiter in 1st house tends to give Jupiter characteristics. Also referred to as Jupiter rising because the planet that is in the 1st house has a large influence on that house.

You could have Jupiter ruled 1st house with Pluto there I.e Someone with Sag Asc but Pluto in 1st.

The individual is still Sag rising. But the Pluto in 1st influences the looks person's outlook a lot. Especially when in the same sign as the Asc.

You could have a Scorpio Asc with Jupiter there I.e Someone with Scorpio Asc with Jupiter influences on that house. Especially when Jupiter is the same sign as the Asc

Often these two people will be very similar in outlook.

posted March 30, 2018 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Is a Sagittarius rising the same as the
"Jupiter rising", The term, Or does Jupiter actually need to be physically within the first house to be a Jupiter rising?

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These are not the same. Sagittarius rising refers only to that sign over the Asc.

As to Jupiter or any planet rising, technically ALL bodies are rising as soon as the Earth's rotation pushes the IC past them. So any body between the IC and MC on the eastern (Asc) side is rising. But astrologers generally use the term 'rising' to refer to what is in the 1st house.

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It gets confusing sometimes because
I've read that the chart ruler is not
necessarily seen in the 1st but it's always
there. Can anyone help clarify? Thank you.

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The standard definition of chart ruler is the planetary ruler of the sign over the correct Asc degree. It does not matter where that planet falls in your chart.

However, this is where the term 'ruler' needs to be examined further. If taken as the principle behind your prime mode of expression, then yes, Jupiter is that principle for a Sagittarius rising person. It is not necessarily the strongest influence upon that personality IF there is another planet in strong aspect to the correct Asc degree.

For example, my wife has Scorpio rising. You could say Mars or Pluto rules her chart. The problem with that is that Jupiter clearly does -- both by her personality and appearance -- and it is parallel her Asc in spite of the fact it is down in the 3rd house in Aquarius. Mars or Pluto can still be the principle behind her sign's mode of expression without being the prime influence upon her. (Moon is also square her Asc and also more prominent as an influence than Mars or Pluto.)

Many of these terms and their definitions were based on oversimplifications of the sky (as I have pointed out in regard to the notion of 'unaspected' planets). This is not stuff you can necessarily get from a google search, which would likely just be a survey of popular opinions by maybe some respected but usually under-informed astrologers.

If you do not take into account declinations things get over-simplified. The sky is not just 3D, but at least 4D. Flat wheel charts are only 2-dimensional, therefore often lacking in the full story because they do not accurately depict how the Earth turns or the planets move.

posted April 07, 2018 11:59 PM            

"I'm Saturn rising. That's the same thing as a Capricorn rising."

But it's really not because Saturn also rules over Aquarius. So, really, when someone says they are a planet rising they just mean they have that planet conjunct the ASC and nothing more than that. If they mean anything more than that, they probably don't know what they are talking about in my opinion...