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charlie
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posted April 02, 2018 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I seem to become more Plutonian with age. Or maybe it’s tPluto making his last attempt at transforming my Cardinal Sun and Moon or maybe it’s pPluto conj pMars and pAsc. Either way, I feel very intense and I attract intense people again and it’s kinda making me (very) nervous! Last time it was like this was 2012 but I then I was curious and wanted more, now I do NOT want it!
How do I avoid Plutonian people and situations without being a total recluse?

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posted April 02, 2018 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you might have to go through it. In other words, do the opposite. Find the edge of your Pluto influence, then back off from the edge.

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posted April 02, 2018 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mindfulness training is the key.

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posted April 02, 2018 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I think you might have to go through it. In other words, do the opposite. Find the edge of your Pluto influence, then back off from the edge.


Yap I can attest that this is a good method. For ex, if you get obsessed about doing something, and when the opportunity rises, you stop, and back off, and gain power over the situation. Thats how to control and master pluto.

For me, its always maybe a half step forward (if even that!) , and 3-4 back!

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posted April 02, 2018 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Yes that is mindfulness training, but I would add you stop and get curious about the compulsion and obsession and then from a place of feeling empowered gently let go.

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posted April 02, 2018 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that's like Wile E. Coyote, trying to catch the roadrunner. You don't.

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posted April 02, 2018 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe that is who you were all along underneath it all?

Venus,Saturn, Mercury and Mars all answer to Pluto directly or indirectly in my chart.

I think to be anything other than who you are will not feel authentic. And maybe that is what Pluto is encouraging you to do? Be more authentic.

And that process may be extremely uncomfortable at times. And that's what is supposed to happen.

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posted April 02, 2018 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto is about mastery. You don't master it. You master yourself.

Pluto dynamics start making us aware of the internal dynamics we project or externalize, at least partly due to denying them within ourselves. So just notice them.

The only seduction is that somehow such "Plutonian" (intense) persons have some kind of power you either envy or fear. There is the issue.

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First you have to look at the sign pluto is in. Then, check if it makes hard aspects or easy aspects?

The hardest signs for pluto are leo, taurus, and aquarius. If you dont have pluto in these signs you are a step ahead.

The easy aspects are a 'karmic blessing' while the hard aspects can be the difference between life and death.

If you have hard aspects with pluto, you must be very evolved to deal with its intense effects and overcome them. They usually result in death but more commonly for fixed signs.

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posted April 03, 2018 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Maybe that is who you were all along underneath it all?

Venus,Saturn, Mercury and Mars all answer to Pluto directly or indirectly in my chart.

I think to be anything other than who you are will not feel authentic. And maybe that is what Pluto is encouraging you to do? Be more authentic.

And that process may be extremely uncomfortable at times. And that's what is supposed to happen.


I suppose this is very logical and I am an extremely intense, sexual (not necessarily in a physical sense always) and deep person. I knew this when I was young and I know I have sold myself cheap many times because quite frankly, I haven't had the energy to go after, or wait, for situations with more meaning and purpose. The thing is this: I am TIRED after years of being pounded by Pluto and Uranus, I mean really (!) tired. Physically, mentally and otherwise. If someone comes along and tries to show me who I am or teach me a lesson, which I normally would have been open to, I am now just tired and back away.

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posted April 03, 2018 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Pluto is about mastery. You don't master it. You master yourself.

Pluto dynamics start making us aware of the internal dynamics we project or externalize, at least partly due to denying them within ourselves. So just notice them.

The only seduction is that somehow such "Plutonian" (intense) persons have some kind of power you either envy or fear. There is the issue.


I don't really project though. I am the most private person you'll ever meet and I really feel these people and situations seek me out for whatever reason! Sometimes it seems enough that I just accidentally lock eyes with a human :-/

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posted April 04, 2018 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that's probably an oxymoron, Pluto is about letting go, recognising that we're not in control really, or even master of our destinies. We have a say in how we conduct ourselves, who we choose to be in response to certain experiences and situations but we can't actually alter the world around us.

Although the realm of Neptune allows us a little control, our perceptions are our reality on many levels and so in this side of life we can choose the stimulus, paths and dreams that we follow and focus upon.


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posted January 18, 2020 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pluviophile123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Others may disagree, but I’ve found fully accepting and embracing and even displaying (at least those societally acceptable) has made it a lot easier. Will you lose people once close to you over this sudden decision to stop with all their BS and yours too? Yes. Will you ever look back? Nope

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posted January 19, 2020 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I don't really project though. I am the most private person you'll ever meet and I really feel these people and situations seek me out for whatever reason! Sometimes it seems enough that I just accidentally lock eyes with a human :-/

Projection is more about the unconscious and having traits/tendencies or a past that you feel uncomfortable about and so you squish them down into your shadow/unconscious.

Then when someone comes along that displays these openly (or perhaps more subtly), they tend to unconsciously "trigger" you in those sensitive areas, and next thing you know, you find yourself disliking, judging, criticizing etc those individuals and/or "those types of people".

One of the most common and low level projections I've noticed is with "preachiness" and preachy people. Quite often you get people who say things like, "I hate/can't stand preachy people!", all the while not realizing how they tend to preach to others however subtly (or not) or unconsciously they do so.

You'll find that the more a person attunes to Love, generally the more accepting and tolerant of themselves and others they become. This is because attunement to Love expands and clarifies perception and helps to convert the unconscious to the conscious. Such folks are rapidly becoming aware of their own shadow and have less and less need or unconscious impulse to project their own disowned, repressed, etc dynamics onto others.

I experienced this very powerfully when the traditional ruler of my 7th (open enemies), Saturn, started to conjunct my ASC and move through my 1st (it got pretty intense as it started to oppose my Venus in the 7th). I ended up running into a person with definite, but covert, narcissistic traits and tendencies who vomit projected a chunk of his shadow unto me, the convenient scapegoat because I'm more socially fearless and uninhibited than him.

The irony of this situation is that this guy, gave just enough information and hints and clues (despite being super private and tight lipped about his personal life) that along with intuition, it helped me to figure out exactly who he was. Well, the actual irony is that this man is part of the Hollyweird scene, super into some obviously narcissistic spiritual guru figures, serially dated women half to a third of his age and after a couple earlier failed marriages was a womanizing bachelor for many years (nearly into his 60's), and engaged in obvious narcissistic patterns otherwise--for example, during an interview with a young woman at dinner, he randomly brought out a spiritual book and asked her to read the part of the disciple where he would read the part of the master back to her.

Anyways, the dude was unreal in his behavior, actions, and feelings towards me in actual practice, and it was all because I impersonally disagreed with some of his beliefs and sources on a forum. His sensitive/fragile ego couldn't take it (use to feeling very important and seen as wise), and I became a target of his narcissistic rage. And the irony, I was the narcissist, according to him.

Classic case of projection of one's shadow. Though, to be honest that cycle was one where I was more self centered, less empathic, and less attuned than usual (i.e, I was behaving more narcissisticly). Saturn correlated with more of my dark side coming to the surface, both within and apparently somewhat without as a reflection/challenge. Pluto was also squaring my natal Saturn, which not only co-rules my 7th, but also rules my Sun and Mercury and co rules my Venus as well.

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posted January 19, 2020 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I suppose this is very logical and I am an extremely intense, sexual (not necessarily in a physical sense always) and deep person. I knew this when I was young and I know I have sold myself cheap many times because quite frankly, I haven't had the energy to go after, or wait, for situations with more meaning and purpose. The thing is this: I am TIRED after years of being pounded by Pluto and Uranus, I mean really (!) tired. Physically, mentally and otherwise. If someone comes along and tries to show me who I am or teach me a lesson, which I normally would have been open to, I am now just tired and back away.

Mission for both transits is accomplished. The point was to break through the appearances and have you unapologetically be yourself.

There is liberation in going your way-even if you "fail".Listening to other's advice (no matter how well meaning)can hold us back from listening to what is within us.

I love the song by Whitney Houston that has her Aries Moon all over it ;

"I am not afraid to try it on my own.
I don't care if I'm right or wrong.
I'm gonna to live my life the way I feel, No matter what,I'm gonna keep it real(you know).
It's time for me to do it on my own"

I think that that is what this current Pluto/Saturn transit on my natal Asc and respective T-square is pushing for too; to liberate myself from the opinions of the peanut gallery.

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posted January 24, 2020 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cthonicstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mastery of self, no matter what.

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