posted April 02, 2018 05:50 PM            

"For Venus conjunct Pluto, there is ultimate achievement to be found in life when finding oneself beautiful. They will take very good care of their skin and body throughout their life and strive for the upmost ideal of worldwide beauty. At times, they can take it too far, aiming to please their personal relationships through constant revamping of their image. They can become obsessed with being the most beautiful person you know and it will eventually take a turn on their heart and mind when they are seeing their imperfections not becoming ideally perfect. Some of them may even feel like they cannot be in a proper relationship with their lover if they are not the most beautiful in their eyes. Constant questioning of "Do you really love me?" and "You wouldn't cheat on me, would you?" can come up in their minds, leaving them feeling insecure and their partner very uncomfortable."

posted April 03, 2018 01:36 PM            

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posted April 03, 2018 03:01 PM            

I don't find him to be obsessed with beauty. But I find him the type who loooooves to seduce. A player of note!

To him, getting someone to fall for him is all fun and games. Very much a "mind game" thing. And he can be obsessed about "winning" you over.

posted April 03, 2018 03:13 PM            

I would never say things that seem exaggerated or cringeworthy (hello Cap Moon) but I really feel, and have experienced, extreme light and darkness with Venus/Pluto.

posted April 03, 2018 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I know of a Venus-Pluto Libra conjunct individual.

I don't find him to be obsessed with beauty. But I find him the type who loooooves to seduce. A player of note!

To him, getting someone to fall for him is all fun and games. Very much a "mind game" thing. And he can be obsessed about "winning" you over.

I dodged a bullet with him. Nearly became his prey. My DSC in Libra conjuncts both his Venus/Pluto.

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posted April 04, 2018 03:57 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
IME they seem to have a compulsive need to be in a relationship, hate been alone.

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More like a romantic affair lol. Not so much a relationship I think. Much like Pisces Venus,they love the idea of a fairytale.

As when the romance is replaced by domestic details,their attention span on you wanes.

That's unless you can continue to foster the spark of romance that keeps it fresh.

Libra is air- idea based. So they don't prefer things to get too nuts and bolts in the end.

I find Cancer/Taurus more into the real mundane aspects of a relationship. Hence they are the natural/exalted placements of the Moon.

posted April 04, 2018 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I find Cancer/Taurus more into the real mundane aspects of a relationship. Hence they are the natural/exalted placements of the Moon.

And the Moon in Chaldean astrology is the ruler of the 7th.

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posted April 06, 2018 04:04 AM            

Yes,Virgo Moon too.

The disadvantage with this placement however is being too concerned with putting out small fires. Too much into paying bills,running errands and keeping ones head above water is not living.

posted April 10, 2018 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@hypatia238

Yes,Virgo Moon too.

The disadvantage with this placement however is being too concerned with putting out small fires. Too much into paying bills,running errands and keeping ones head above water is not living.

I imagine this moon being the type to say "after everything I have done & all those sacrifices I made" when complaining

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I see your point for the most part yes! But I cant remember hearing my dad complain about anything, he is kind of stoic and very warm and optimistic too so interesting combination of things.

He has moon in virgo conjunct saturn, very resilient, not a complainer at all with sun square neptune exact Adore him.

posted April 11, 2018 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I see your point for the most part yes! But I cant remember hearing my dad complain about anything, he is kind of stoic and very warm and optimistic too so interesting combination of things.

He has moon in virgo conjunct saturn, very resilient, not a complainer at all with sun square neptune exact Adore him.

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Moon/Saturn conjunct lends Cap qualities; so he will not complain and look at it from the point of view of it being his responsibility.

Saturn-Moon often give a "stiff upper lip" attitude to people. Whinnying and complaining is not their thing. They get to the business at hand.

Sun-Neptune square can on one hand make a person appear super human: is it a bird? Is it a plane? No. Its a Neptune-Sun individual coming to fulfill our every dream.

But on the other hand the same person can be considered a "fraud", " deceptive ", " silver tongued" and ambiguous.

Warren Buffet has the aspect
Obama also has the aspect.

It is the Saviour/Sinner dual personality that is projected by others on these people. It can be difficult to see whom they really are underneath it all.

posted April 11, 2018 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Sun-Neptune square can on one hand make a person appear super human: is it a bird? Is it a plane? No. Its a Neptune-Sun individual coming to fulfill our every dream.

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hahahhahaha I actually laughed out loud, thank you.

I have sun square neptune too, he has it exact and I have it by 2d. We are both very accepting and chill, ofcourse he is more grounded naturally bc of that moon in virgo conjunct saturn, he is like a rock but in a good way. I with my moon in pisces square neptune not as much lol, I have to work at it, as I grow more into my sun in virgo and mercury in virgo its gotten easier.

I can very much relate to the Savior/Sinner dual personality personally, with my dad it does not fit I feel although maybe is there too but to a lesser degree.

I think that sun square Neptune is a factor that contributes to this but other things in the chart also have to support that. Like my moon square Neptune and Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 1st in sag. I am rebellious and then combine that with a lot of mutable energy and my sun opposite moon (conflicting needs/nature)....

....take that all into account and yes you can get that dual sinner/savior personality thing bc you have that rebellious nature, the flexibility needed to change roles and blend in and having conflicting parts and needs in your personality (e.g opposition).

posted April 12, 2018 02:24 PM            

Venus conjunct or parallel Pluto contains the suggestion of uncompromising affections, which can be expressed selfishly (I will get what I want, the sex I want, with who I want ...) or even to great sacrifice and loyalty, depending on the character and the ideals the native lives by. Less mature souls or those who have not aligned themselves with guiding ideals tend to interpret Pluto unconsciously as sex. As we awaken, Pluto's energies become more conscious and more guided by a sense of empowerment and willingness to align our actions with the moment-of-death reality that there are no secrets, and no soul ever gets to cheat the system.

Persons with this aspect often feel the need to cross some kind of boundary or convention in choosing the person they love, although they will not likely feel it as 'choice' but as a 'fated or unconscious pull. The attraction sets up a dynamic in which the love will be tested by tumultuous emotions from within the person who feels the desire for ultimate satisfaction and fulfillment, even from external circumstances or others that may seem to pull them from the object of their affections.

The Venusian love and affection joined with Pluto goes all the way, is uncompromising for good or bad, but will have to learn that you cannot grasp hold of another forever -- no matter your strength, no matter your grip. Letting go is a good practice for such persons as every kind of emotion presented in sex and relationships can become overly dramatic, rather Liebestod, severe.

In fact, this aspect urges one specifically out of superficiality and playing it safe in relationships, with a 'to the death' or 'beyond death' mentality. That alone may help distinguish one approach from another: Does the person feel they lose all love at death, or do they believe Love survives it?

Another association is transformative beauty in which the person may channel much of this energy into art or creativity. That is a very healthy thing to do since laying the intensity of this aspect all on other persons creates unrealistic expectations and frustration too easily. This aspect could be one that urges a person out of superficial relations with the Venusian energies to take their creative power more seriously and put it into action. Of course, this could be inspired by a singular person of magnetic attraction that stirs these energies up in their outer life.

The dynamics of the aspect can be very different from person to person, depending on what completes the figure (what other planets/points are in aspect to one or both Venus and Pluto). Another planet in hard aspect to them, say Mars, increases the need for a creative, even a physical outlet for these energies. Far different from this aspect standing on its own.

posted April 12, 2018 02:51 PM            

The dual personality I speak of is projected by others on to you. You don't see it.

With Neptune, you try to be everything to everyone. Because you can relate to everyone and see everyone's point of view.

Someone may say to you "You should be a doctor". And your response is usually " Really? Well I do like to take care of people".

Another says "You should go into movies" and the response is "I have been known to be a performer back at school".

Neptune being the higher octave of Venus is no mistake. Venus has a need to accommodate all people(especially in Libra) and when Venus is in Pisces, that need is doubled.

Most people try to find out what they are in life. Whilst those of Nep-Sun,Asc,Moon people spend most of their life finding out what they definitely are NOT.

Ven/Nep are prone to get in2 relationships that teach them who they should stay away from. Whilst Mars-Nep people find out what they CAN'T do through many failed attempts and trials.

I have Nep-Sun conjunct exact in Sag. When in Pis/Gem/Sag, many many many masks. Many many alternative personas. Many!

posted April 18, 2018 03:08 PM            

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