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Topic: Important question and I demand answers!
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charlie
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posted April 22, 2018 05:00 AM
  
How deeply should one really look into astrology when analysing oneself, others and situations? Is it as simple as : "well, he does have tNeptune conj nMoon right now and that's why XYZ happened" OR, should one also take into consideration for example dwads, % orbits, % aspects, sabians (these were just some examples I could think of right now)? I mean, if depth analysis is needed, how deep is enough?? It feels as if there are endless possibilities with endless outcomes. Do astrologers (or the ones of you on LL) have some, or few, aspects or transits that almost guaranteed ALWAYS, have one specific outcome so they/you won't have to look deeper? What would some of these aspects/transits be?
What are some "far right field" aspects/transits be that usually present themselves with specific outcomes that others might overlook or not even think about (example : tVesta square nMars = broken leg. Bad example, I know  ) ? IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted April 22, 2018 05:09 AM
You demand answers.  You are in no position to demand anything. Nobody owes you nothing. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted April 22, 2018 06:58 AM
Transit of Mars/Saturn/Jupiter/Pluto to me have always been straightforward in analysis of what's occurring in my chart.I don't know if this is too "deep" but natal 7th house in Aries signifies tension in relationships. But if Jupiter is there, the tension could be the type that causes romantic attraction or friendly banter. So a transit of Mars to Jupiter increases that interplay and can result in a spontaneous romantic contact being made or a sudden attraction in a social situation. IP: Logged |
TaurusVenusGirl
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posted April 22, 2018 09:04 PM
I feel like astrology is a bit like getting a psychic reading, not always accurate.I consulted an Astrologist to answer a question for me, she said, by going on the Solar Return chart, it was very likely to happen. Nothing happened. It didn't come into fruition. That was my experience and my opinion, though others might disagree with me. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted April 22, 2018 09:19 PM
Umm I have the same question.In my eyes astrologers always find a way to explain events, if planets don't suffice, they go for progressions and transits, if they don't suffice they go for asteroids, by this time there is always an answer, this, that, any of them, none of them, anything, meeting a one-legged black dog on Monday(Vedic). IP: Logged |
SecretGeek
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posted April 22, 2018 09:46 PM
Planets are too general to do much of anything with them. Have to go into the collective consciousness of the asteroids to get specific while using the standard objects as amplification points. IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty
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posted April 22, 2018 10:14 PM
There is no guarantee for anything. A moon conjunct neptune transit can mean something completely different for one person and completely different for the other. For person a, it can mean diving into heavy drugs and alcohol as a means to cope with some situation that was present prior. For person b, it could mean becoming more connected with the mother after something happened in the family. For person c, it could simply mean that the native is becoming more artistically in-tune with themselves during this transit. For person d, e, f, g, h , i, j, k, etc the list goes on and on of what they experience relating to those two planetary energies being conjunct in transit. It is varied because we all have different natal charts and different environments and different ways of viewing things. Now, that being said, you should not take the above as a means to say that it is not accurate to pinpoint a certain event up to a certain aspect or certain aspects. While it's true that not everyone will experience the same situation from that aspect (or aspects), it does invalidate the fact that that aspect had a play in the problems at hand. I assume you are asking this question because of Avicii and that is why I am answering you like this. Yes, it's true that not everyone who has their natal Saturn and neptune conjunct retrograde saturn is going to die from alcoholism and appendicitis taking its toll, but as I said before, we were all raised in different environments and have different natal charts and different experiences and thoughts. Taylor swift and everyone else born that year had the same saturn-neptune-saturnR transit as Avicii at his death but clearly she is not dead and not going to be dead any time soon. But that still doesn't invalidate the fact that the transit had its effect on him in that particular way. IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty
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posted April 22, 2018 10:23 PM
Also, every astrologer has a different means to their method. We may not all agree with the other's method but at the end of the day, if they find an answer that works then that's what works for them. I can't say I agree with every astrologer and even though I'm not a professional astrologer I do know a lot of people don't agree with me. If an astrologer wants to use sabian to interpret, then that is their method. If an astrologer wants to use progressions, that is their method. Composite? Their method. Horary? Asteroids? Fixed stars? Aspects from natal to composite or transit? Their methods. The problem a lot of you seem to have is that you expect astrology to give you a general blanket answer for everything but astrology is just like every other moral-based system, it's not definitive and it has no way of being proven as having all the answers to all your problems. There will be answers to some things that can be read in between the lines and figured out but it's obviously not always the case. Sometimes the answer can be found from first glance, sometimes you have to dig heavily to find it, other times the universe will simply tell you NO there is no answer at this time. Regardless, it's really not something to get frustrated over. Astrology should not be your life philosophy, it can help mold your beliefs and help you find a better you but don't get so worked up over "well if this says this then that must happen omg I am so scared". Like someone on this thread always says, we have free will. Please just use it, it is really not that hard..... IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted April 23, 2018 05:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
How deeply should one really look into astrology when analysing oneself, others and situations?
I suppose your question is about making predictions?
there are many things yet undiscovered (algorithms which exist in the universe), I'm not sure they'll become public knowledge any time soon but there are a few things that are "almost" always present when a major event happens (like a natural disaster, a political upheaval or in a person's chart things like relocation and death - I rule out marriage as a major event because I have seen many different aspects and planets in work at the time of marriage that I have given up on finding a certain one I can always count on - it's because people marry for very different reasons and every chart has its unique way of bringing up situations where a person ends up getting married) Vedic astrology is surprisingly correct at making predictions, but even there, nothing is always certain...vedic works with certain themes in a person's chart during the course of their life on Earth, so it's kind of like they're seeing a bigger picture rather than western astrology But, there are things which you can check for, especially when they're all happening at the same time: eclipses (close orb, no more than 6, some even say it must be exact with an orb of 1 tops), progressions (must be exact), transits (close orb with the most effect after a planet retrogrades over an angle or cusp and then goes direct on it again), all working together at a certain natal angle or cusp of in close orb with the ruler of a house or an angle IP: Logged |
pire
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posted April 23, 2018 06:33 AM
I believe there are certain method of analyzing a chart, at certain times, for certain people in certain circomstances, that will give predictable outcome,And I believe there are some other moment in other circomstances where no method of analyzing a chart will reveal something. The universe in my opinion is alive and our free will, as capriconcheriscty mentioned above, is part of it. Karma and other things that we cannot control also play a part in my opinion. Overall, I do not practice predictive astrology for these reason I don't think anyone or any tool could give all the answers. That's basically a good thing, it leaves this ultimate powers out of our hands and let us with FAITH, I MEAN IT HERE IN A NON RELIGIOUS UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD FAITH. A faith that one elaborate freely IP: Logged |
Nine
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From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted April 23, 2018 07:34 AM
Like depositorships, going deep can take you on a never ending loop.I start with progressions for general direction. Then I look at transits for triggers. IP: Logged |
TaurusVenusGirl
Knowflake Posts: 323
From: Heavens Above
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted April 23, 2018 07:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
NO there is no answer at this time.
Yeah, I should of just got a magic 8 ball instead. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted April 23, 2018 02:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by charlie:
How deeply should one really look into astrology when analysing oneself, others and situations?
No further than is practical for getting usable information that leaves you informed enough for now. quote:
Is it as simple as : "well, he does have tNeptune conj nMoon right now and that's why XYZ happened"
No, not in terms of events. Two people can undergo the same set of major slower moving transits at the same time because of same Moon position or they were born very near the same time, but still have different outcomes from that period of transits. quote:
OR, should one also take into consideration for example dwads,
Maybe quote:
% orbits,
Yes, if you mean orbs of influence. quote:
% aspects,
I assume you mean other aspects, yes. quote:
sabians
No. quote:
I mean, if depth analysis is needed, how deep is enough?? It feels as if there are endless possibilities with endless outcomes.
Enough for what? More insight than you had before? Or to (think you) know everything that will 'happen'. That is not the purpose of astrology, contrary to popular impression. Besides the student saturates in learning
until it is known by heart and becomes intuitive. So another answer to your question about how far do you go in analysis is as far as it is intuitive enough for there to be enough understanding to translate it into clear, useful language for the person in question. quote:
Do astrologers (or the ones of you on LL) have some, or few, aspects or transits that almost guaranteed ALWAYS, have one specific outcome so they/you won't have to look deeper?
No, because that is not how I use astrology. I learned prediction years ago and found it to be an ego trap in which the astrologer benefits while fear and anxiety are subtly promoted in the clientele. Astrology is process that is both personal and trans-personal, continuous before and after death in some form. It is an inter-dimensional dynamic of soul development that interacts with our free will choices, soul character, etc. It need not be seen as a divining tool that empowers the 'all wise' astrologer to know what will happen to you. In my view that is a very limiting and not very useful way to see astrology. In fact, you'd be better of not delving into astrology at all if that is how you see it. Astrology should be like metaphysical pliers. If it allow you to grab hold of something and get the job done, good. It is useful. But if it is awkward and not suited to the task at hand, don't use it. There is way too much astrology-knows-everything mentality in which it is seen as the go-to way of trying to decode the complex mystery of life for me. Life as we live it day-to-day is not that complicated, and the existential meaning of life is not that complicated or mysterious either: Learn to love at least one person as much as you love yourself; be joyful and have fun; be peaceful and learn greater compassion; Create -- you are a creator! ------------------
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