posted May 11, 2018 08:28 AM            

Air signs in the 9th house - Air signs tend to logicalize everything, including their belief systems. They can be in a religion but will not fully agree with it because they know there’s grey areas in religious doctrines.

Jupiter in air signs - I noticed we tend to be either atheists or agnostic. Some are also in religions but only follow what feels right and humanitarian.

Jupiter in Scorpio - Likes to prove things wrong, even themselves. Most are interested in the occult, so religion doesn’t interest them. Some are in religions still, but are doing some occult practices on the side.

50/50:

Jupiter in Capricorn - There’s two types: Ones that will be very devoted into whatever religion they’re in, and ones that have no faith in religions at all.

Jupiter in Sagittarius - there’s two types—the really religious once who are passionate about their faith, and the ones who want nothing more than to find out the truth about the universe (even if it means not being in a religion)

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This is just what I’ve noticed. I have Jupiter in Aquarius in the 9th, Aquarius in the 9th, Sun opposite Jupiter (loose, but still felt). I was raised Catholic, but I always questioned the validity of the church and its teachings. I didn’t understand why we prayed to saints and statues when the Bible clearly says not to. I also thought the memorized repetitive prayers weren’t heartfelt and that I prayed just because. I found most devoted Catholics (and even other Christians) to be very judgmental and self-righteous. They fail to look in the mirror.

Also, I just hated getting woken up at 2am in the morning to get ready to go to a 4am mass. I don’t have the commitment to go every Sunday or whatever day worship service is.

posted May 11, 2018 09:35 AM            

People can be brought up in various Belief Systems.

What is missed??... is that Religion is a 'form'. It's just bones and structure.

What gives LIFE is the 'perception' that begins to happen regarding various Systems.
(H9 is systems)

Most people relate to self and religion in very narrow and shallow outside-and-away-from-me way.

It doesn't REACH the 'real person' on the inside.

Whatever you take up in 'thought' has to have a corresponding resonance, a ring or ping of Truth inside the Deep person.

"That" ring or ping .. is something you begin to become aware of either suddenly or gradually. It happens seemingly not in your own volition. It "occurs" ... and suddenly you are 'aware' of it occurring and you "follow it." ...

You can argue the sticks and bones of any religion and philosophy all day....

Gently--- but, what does all-of-that mean to YOU, what effect does it mean INSIDE of you? ...

Clue-- if you have a sense of Condemnation?.. then, that ain't it!!!
Keep going within.... PAST that.

There is therefore now NO condemnation...
{scripture}

Can you locate that INNER core in you?
Does it Light up? Does it give you a sense of something Beyond yourself?? Can you FEEL the stability and smooth Core? Is it Light inside of you... or do you not sense the inner Chamber or Cave yet?

It's a DEEP thing.... It's inside 'the person'. Not outside in 'form'.

Religion is 'just' a support code. Made to inform about man's "opinion" (Sag) about God.

GOD is not sticks and dogma.
GOD is a Living REAL Sense inside.
It's a hum. It's a tone.
It's a Belonging-Within.

You can Belong ... without 'systematic' (H9) beliefs.

Systematic beliefs help to "introduce" you...
And then YOU Respond or don't respond/resonate within.

SLQ .. I was raised in Catholicism.
I went to the parochial school system up until 7th Grade.

I have a nature that is self-reflective.
I remember how terrified I felt at some of the things they taught.

But it was the Music, and the messages and tones of the Music that had a MARVELOUS effect inside me.

When I was around 12 or 13 years old (the Jupiter Age),
I had sung in the choir (with adults).

{ADD --
I believe it was around Easter Sunday, in April 1968;
Getting ready to turn 13 yrs old the following month.
* "Full Moon Total Eclipse 23.20 Libra"
.. in my 10th House Libra (4th is Aries)
.. conjunct Urania and natal Neptune-rx 25+. H10
* tJupiter-rx in Leo had entered my 9th House
.. conjunct Pluto e.o. 8th.
* tUranus-rx in Virgo H(9)leo conjunct my Moon,
.. and sextile natal Uranus-Jupiter H8
* tPluto-rx in Virgo H(9)leo conjunct my Moon,
.. and sextile Uranus-Jupiter H8
* tNeptune-rx in Scorpio in my H12,
.. trine natal Uranus-Jupiter Cancer H8
semi-sextile natal Neptune-rx
.. sextile NN-GC Sagittarius H1}

One day we had sung a certain song during the church service--
(words)
God is Love,
and he who abides in Love,
abides in GOD,
and God IN him.

I hung out after Mass that Sunday in the little chapel room. My parents allowed me to walk home afterwards by myself.

WHILE I sat in the Chapel, that song just kept repeating and repeating inside me.

Suddenly! ... My Picture-Image of God changed.

I had always envisioned him as this 'old man sitting on a concrete throne with birds flying around his head;.

Suddenly!! .. GOD was not a "picture" in my head anymore, but started being a Sense.. a warmth. The Feeling of LOVE. Being Filled with LOVE.

GOD ... is ... LOVE
{I began to weep good tears.}
When you are sensing the Beautiful Palpable cloud of LOVE within you... the Pure and Single Love and Light, within you, ... then, THAT is the seed-opening to what religion really fails to "give"...

"Religion" is JUST 'the bones' ....
The SPIRIT gives LIFE, Light, LOVE, embodiment, Awakening, Substance, Belonging to Something HIGHER 'AND' Within.

In Him... We Live, and Move, and have our Beingness.

posted May 11, 2018 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Here’s what I noticed:

Air signs in the 9th house - Air signs tend to logicalize everything, including their belief systems. They can be in a religion but will not fully agree with it because they know there’s grey areas in religious doctrines.

Jupiter in air signs - I noticed we tend to be either atheists or agnostic. Some are also in religions but only follow what feels right and humanitarian.

Jupiter in Scorpio - Likes to prove things wrong, even themselves. Most are interested in the occult, so religion doesn’t interest them. Some are in religions still, but are doing some occult practices on the side.

50/50:

Jupiter in Capricorn - There two type: Ones that will be very devoted into whatever religion they’re in, and ones that have no faith in religions at all.

Jupiter in Sagittarius - there’s two types—the really religious once who are passionate about their faith, and the ones who want nothing more than to find out the truth about the universe (even if it means not being in a religion)

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This is just what I’ve noticed. I have Jupiter in Aquarius in the 9th, Aquarius in the 9th, Sun opposite Jupiter (loose, but still felt). I was raised Catholic, but I always questioned the validity of the church and its teachings. I didn’t understand why we prayed to saints and statues when the Bible clearly says not to. I also thought the memorized repetitive prayers weren’t heartfelt and that I prayed just because. I found most devoted Catholics (and even other Christians) to be very judgmental and self-righteous. They fail to look in the mirror.

Also, I just hated getting woken up at 2am in the morning to get ready to go to a 4am mass. I don’t have the commitment to go every Sunday or whatever day worship service is.

Now, I’m more agnostic than anything. I’ve tried two different Christian churches so far, but none really worked for me.

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posted May 11, 2018 11:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Supreme cT:
Im jupiter in libra and have moon asc in aqua and i dont believe in religion i grew up with religion but me and my mom both dropped it and became more spiritual and believe more in karma I completely agree with what you said and why your agnostic its basically why me and my mom switched and btw my mom is a leo sun cancer moon like you lol i wonder if that combo might show non religiousness?

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posted May 11, 2018 05:52 PM            

Planetary aspects involving Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune can play a role in how a person orients themselves to these questions or change their perspective. I went from being quite religious as a youngster to not connected to any formal religion being more spiritual in orientation. My latent old soul started waking up. Some may go years entirely non-religious only to convert to something.

A lot of this can also have to do with how some egos deal with the question of God or higher power. I've noticed male egos of the Fire (and Scorpio) types can seem to have the most difficulty with it.

The "four horsemen" of new atheism:

- Richard Dawkins, b. 26 March 1941: Aries
- Sam Harris, b. 9 April 1967: Sun-Moon in Aries
- Chris Hitchens, b. 13 April 1949: Sun conjunct Mercury in Aries
- Daniel Dennett, b. 28 March 1942: Aries

This is not mere coincidence. Let's be honest, Aries -- especially in male expression -- is about ME and my ideas, and they like to be in charge. All these men are ego and head-driven, educated, philosophical, yet vastly over-estimate their own smarts. They're great examples of beliefs molded by the iron certainty of male ego equipped with (probably too much) formal education -- the martial principle not well enough practiced in doubt and second thoughts.

The most intelligent approach when it comes to these big universal or theological questions is the practice of holding two opposing thoughts in mind and being able to represent both equally well.

But of course, there are plenty of religious Aries people. And many males, even fiery ones, seem to understand it may be only the psychic spectre of God that keeps their own egos in check.

Faith is generally framed within the providential assumptions of deity, Jovian, the Jupiter "provider" principle, which eventually breaks down if a person experiences enough hardship (Saturn). That is also where those who crave an authority position themselves may like sweeping aside the trans-personal or universal questions in favor of investing in 'fact' based notions of truth, not wanting to risk possibly looking foolish before others by investing in anything woo-woo or later disproven. Then it may eventually go into the trans-personal especially Uranian/Neptunian arena, which could leave a person in permanent doubt (or agnosticism), or relying on their own goodwill and dumping the faith and god question (atheism), or going into a more mystical direction.

But as far as identifying non-religious signs and what those do when over the 9th cusp, there is no such formula, because it would also have to take into account Solar, Lunar, and rising signs to even begin to generalize in that direction.

posted May 11, 2018 06:00 PM            

The reason why I brought this up, is because someone I know just told me that they are not religious what soever at all. Neither am I, and this person either has a Sagittarius moon or Capricorn moon depending on what time he was born. But what I did notice is that he has Jupiter in Taurus. I completely forgot Jupiter is the planet all about faith. Now I figure either he has Taurus or Capricorn in the 9th house. I on the other hand have Jupiter in Aquarius in the 12th house which is were Capricorn is at in my chart. I am a Pisces/Aquarius cusp baby, with a pisces moon, but Scorpio in the 9th house with Saturn there as well. I do believe in astrologically and connect it with God. I am very spiritual and believe in reincarnation. I really would like to learn more about the 9th house, and how the signs in this house, and planets.

posted May 11, 2018 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Primarose220:
... I really would like to learn more about the 9th house, and how the signs in this house, and planets...

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The 9th house holds the idea of 'out there'/far away or higher learning versus the 3rd house principle which is about local community and exchange of more basic ideas that are less theoretical and more practical. So we can learn about the houses by contrasting them in this way. If you learn 1st - 6th, you have a basis for understanding all of them.

The 9th of course holds the Jupiter principle, the expansion principle. So this house relates to what we learn and the ideals we aim at that expand our lives. For some people the 9th relates to travel as much as any education or religion.

If fire signs containing planets overlay the cusp of the 9th in an accurate chart, you can expect the person won't be so passive in the pursuit; if air signs, the concepts and debate come more into play, understood as theory; if earth signs, there will be an expectation that what is learned and believed should be practical, not just theory; if water signs there may be more mystical leanings or emotionally based sentiment that keeps them holding on to certain attitudes towards religion as necessity (or conversely interfering with their participation).

But not knowing a person's 9th house placements for sure, you can still get an idea of things from their aspects involving Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune especially. Mercury is purely thinking process that can be more easily changed and amended with life experience if the person is willing. Jupiter really wants to believe in good things, but when aspected adversely by Neptune may face necessary disillusionment in order to proceed. I have Jupiter 0° Scorpio semi-sextile Neptune 0° Sagittarius, and at age 18 I had quite a disillusionment with formal (fundamentalist) religion via demonology and prophecy that f#^d up my mental health.

Often earth types can be naturalistic mystics. I'd describe myself that way. They can also be overly practical, so much they can't see the value of believing in something they cannot factually verify. That is someone who is still asleep spiritually. At some point the 3rd eye awakens and we must sift through visual/conceptual presentations of the universe or we can even have such awakening totally revamp our worldview. That is the arena of Uranus and Neptune -- the trans-personal.

People with the same aspects or same sign-house cusps don't necessarily share the same values or orientations, because it really depends on where they each are in their soul development.

posted May 12, 2018 09:03 AM            

Uranus and Neptune are located in my 9th.
Saturn rules my 9th, located in the 10th.

Aquarius MC.

Sun/ Mars square Saturn.

Sun sextile Uranus/ Neptune.
Moon square Uranus/ Neptune.

Sun rules 4H.
Moon rules 3H.

I have very unique views on religion, God, etc.

My parents are very unorthodox and quirky.

I do not participate in religion at all.

I won’t go too in to detail, though, about my views..

posted May 12, 2018 10:23 AM            

Uranus .. the Awakener
Neptune .. Faith, Higher Spirituality (and in the 9th)

Quoting from a book I have, p.270 --
When the ruler of the Ninth is in the Tenth,
philosophical or religious doctrines take a prominent role in life.
Such a position indicates a person who easily could be a public advocate for his or her religious or philsophical beliefs.
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The function of the soul is to bring wholeness.
A soul-realized individual, a "mahatma" will embody this principle as he or she endeavors to reveal the essential unity standing behind all the apparent variations of all the forms of life.
{{Goes on to describe the horoscope of Mahatma Gandhi. ...}}

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gandhi,_Mohandas

There was a question about the Ascendant.
My inner-hunch is to agree with the Libra rising, with Cancer MC (because of the nature of the Fixed Stars there).

ref A. Oken (c2000), Rulers of the Horoscope, Ibis Press 2008.

I have 'Leo' cusp of 9th
(Moon intercepted Virgo)
early Libra MC {ruled by Venus}

Sun (Gemini) is located in the 6th trine MC
Ruler of the 5th and 6th Houses is also Venus
Venus is in Taurus 5th.