posted May 18, 2018 04:33 AM            

I've just written a piece about addiction / escapism and how I don't think it's all about the obvious; i.e. Neptune, but actually quite linked to Saturn too!

Have a read if you're interested: https://waxlobster.blogspot.co.uk/

I'm really curious what people think...

x

posted May 18, 2018 06:09 AM            

I think it's important to question the astrological signatures that are inherently referred to, as nothing is really so simple as that. Obviously you have to consider the whole chart, but my article is to provide ideas and alternate focal areas when doing so.

Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it. 😊

posted May 18, 2018 07:33 AM            

The writer does however stress that Saturn heavy people use alcohol to "loosen" up. Or atleast to lift off the heavy burden that Saturn wields.

As a Saturn in 7th and Saturn-Venus conjunct person,I advocate drinking in parties and social functions(within reason) as people can be so into their shells in such spaces that liquid relief is necessary to loosen things up.

When taken to the extreme, it(alcohol or recreational drugs) can easily become a form of coping mechanism one employs when not feeling wholly confident in a given situation.

Do you know that there are people who enjoy sex more when drunk? And some guys take drugs to curb performance anxiety (Saturn) when with partners.

If you have Saturn in 8th or Saturn-Mars, Saturn in Scorpio or Saturn/Pluto etc. You know how frequently you are told by your partner to just "relax" or "chill out" when it comes to sex.

There is heightened fear of "losing" control in intimacy, not performing well or feeling ashamed of sexual intimacy with these people.

So sex(Mars)could feel like "work"(Saturn) or something they have to "prepare" for thus some become heavily preoccupied with sex (Pluto) through viewing porn, soliciting prostitutes or having "extreme" fetishes or elaborate sexual fantasies.

Sometimes many will take on the Miranda (Sex and the City) stance to it i.e "just get it over and done with" etc. Bottling up the pleasure or denying oneself to feel it.

Learning to be vulnerable, prioritize pleasure, seeing oneself as a virile sexual being(especially men) or opening up during intimacy, is challenging. Some may even have medical conditions that surround this inhibition.

Most people often use drugs or alcohol to help let go and let be. But the danger could be that they can become dependent on those drugs- specifically for Saturn people mentioned if Neptune is in the mix or Mars/Pluto rules or is in the 12th house.

Prince William-Saturn in Lib conjunct Mars- was rumoured to have picked up some pills to "help" him during his honeymoon with Kate- as the royals wanted an heir...pronto!

I feel for him. Saturn in Libra are eager to please and to have an immaculate reputation (His Cap wife was a sure pick for a mate as Libra is exalted in Saturn and shares a lot of common ground with Cap energy).

But I suspect his true love would be someone who helps alleviate the pressure and let's him be-no fear of judgment or expectations(Venus opp Uranus and Moon/Mars/Sun square in the 7th)

So after the wedding, he definitely felt the pressure(Saturn) to "perform"(Mars). And I suspect he has been feeling the pressure to be the best all his life i.e not to let anyone down as all of Britain (Saturn) depends on him(Mars).

I would not be surprised that with his sporadic Venus opp Uranus interacting with the 5th and Sun opp Neptune interacting with the 8th,his first child was conceived through less than orthodox means.

I would add Virgo and Libra energy in the mix to being enticed to also use drugs or alcohol to let things "flow".

posted May 18, 2018 11:41 AM            

Thanks for your fascinating, deeply thought out response. I was linking up sex when I was writing but you make some very interesting and valid points. Although I'm very sociable and have partied a lot in my life, drunk sex has never really appealed to me.... I see that it does to many though and the points you raise fit very well.

It's a shame isn't it, to feel obliged to be intimate, when intimacy is so beautiful when it's pure and love-based. In truth you can't really 'create' intimacy, it's something which is built on love. ♥

posted May 18, 2018 12:55 PM            

Your happiness comes last- unless in those few times where it coincides with the best interest of the country.

It is Leo that rules the opulent structures and larger than life image of royalty i.e. celebrity status, faces on the currency, "divine" right to rule etc.

But since the era of monarchy rule is more covert than overt nowadays, Saturn/Pluto co-rule monarchs i.e duty, keeping secrets for the sake of duty and retaining the benchmark standard for social standards.

What you said there near the end sounds very Jup/Nep. I feel the same.

I have Sun conjunct Jup/Nep and Sun rules the 5th.But I also Venus ∆ Moon/* Merc/ conj Sat.Ruler of the 7th is Venus.

I also think that movies tend to heighten unrealistic expectations that make people believe that to be loved, one has to be perfect.

Saturn tells you the real deal. When on Mars, it says "this is where your limits are" . And for men(strongly identify with Mars) it could be size issues, erectile dysfunction, early ejaculation etc.

So intimacy in this regards is no "beautiful" thing. Its quite frankly ego murder/suicide for many men.

How do I get intimate with a mate who drools over George Clooney's looks or Chris Hemsworth's bod when I look like an average Joe?

How do I make my partner climax during intimacy like those porn stars do when my penis is not that big?

posted May 18, 2018 02:25 PM            

I use to be a heavy pot smoker, it was so intriguing to me that there were things out there that could actually alter your way of thinking. I used to smoke with friends everyday, **** I did everything high. But after a while it began to lose it's magic, I just started to feel lethargic all the time. Never motivated. Just made me lazy and hungry. I still enjoy it from time to time but it's not really for me anymore. Being a Pisces I'm already to scatterbrained and diffusive as it is. Weed triples that. I smoke on occasion now. I enjoy feeling sharp.

But, I was diagnosed with bipolar depression and ADHD when I was younger. I had to take Ritalin to settle down. My follow through and relationships have suffered because of this and I'm only just now recovering (slowly, but surely). I've been on many medications, because my depression is NO **** joke. I use to think having a chemical imbalance was normal you know? Like I just need to be more confident in myself. But depression doesn't work like that. Anyone who is truly labeled as depressive knows what I'm talking about. It's not something you can shrug. It is literally a part of your being. I have experienced a lot in life, from fame, a successful youtube career, music, traveling the country, sex, acting for agents...nothing has worked. It's not easy for me to be flooded with a cocky feeling. You see girls like confident guys, and when you're depressive and ridden with ADD, you aren't necessarily the biggest charmer. You are so anxious and stiff you simply CANNOT be yourself around people. It is VERY hard to loosen up. You see others as if they are judging you, mocking you or plain think your about as entertaining as a brick wall. It's not fun at all. Some days you don't want to get out of bed because you are so ******* done with it. Saturn can be so cruel to some people. It's like you feel you need to be mature, you have to be composed or others will crush you. It can make you very lonely. No matter how much you have to offer. People like happy people whether they admit it or not. I have done a lot, but I have missed a lot of opportunities as well. Saturn sucks. I don't like his ass. He may be good for others but for me it's a big no. This is why some people do drugs, because they just want to FEEL something. You just want to talk to someone without having to have a heart attack. Can you blame them?

Because of this "chemical imbalance" I have had some experience with drugs. Weed, ecstasy, hydrocodone, alcohol, and numerous anti-depressants. I am only 23. I probably won't live to see 30. But I'm okay with that. This world has nothing to offer me anyways. I have done what I've wanted. It's all about where you come from, how you look, and who you know in this world. Sad but true. We all die. Not everyone can experience true love, especially men. We have to do everything. And like I said, if you don't fit the mold girls and relationships will eat you alive. You start not to give a **** anymore. You will do anything to just not be ******* lonely.

I have never done any hard drugs and never will because I have found my drug of choice (which is Adderall) prescribed by my doctor. It balances me out, and I can actually focus without feeling like a sad sack. But if I ever run out, I'll be sure to hit the streets again. I have also tried to kill myself twice. I am the real deal sweetie. All the talent and achievement in the world couldn't make me happy. I just want love, and I will kill my body to do so.

posted May 18, 2018 11:41 PM            

I think too many astrologers have taken too quick a leap to associate Neptune with (a) drugs and (b) addiction. That is a disservice to astrology. So I like how you've brought the conversation back around to altered states of perception and escapism.

Every astrologer should have The Rulership Book (or a rulership book of some kind) instead of maintaining loose associations of Neptune-drugs-addiction as a prominent thought when viewing a birth chart. Neptunian persons or Piscean ones can turn just as much to religion or beliefs for framing their reality with something (or someone) more comforting. Fundamentally, they know there should be something more than the mundane experience, and are searching for it, because the Neptunian energy is still fairly new to human existence in terms of our evolution.

Being pretty Plutonian, my views on so-called "drugs" have developed more in alignment with what you describe related to the Plutonian desire to explore more deeply. These plants -- which are usually entheogens, psychedelics, oneirogens, etc, -- are here and have been used for millennia for a purpose. Blanket judgments against their use has absolutely zero basis in any sound theology or spiritual philosophy, but the spiritual strength of many has cowered in the face of societal pseudomoralisms regarding "drugs."

So kudos for your open minded and insightful look at these things.

Some tips for students: Neptune does not represent all "drugs" in blanket fashion, because many of these are actually plants with different uses depending on the part or species of plant used, for example. Cannabis, from which we get our word "canvas", includes the non-psychoactive males of the Cannabis sativa species known as hemp, and is ruled by Saturn. In India Shiva is the patron of Cannabis, even when smoked by Sadus for its full effect (flowers full of THC). Shiva correlates to the western Hades or Pluto.

Addiction has been too long too often associated with one planet in astrology and with the generic term "drugs" in western society. Alcohol addiction is way, way more common than those so-called hard drugs, and Cannabis is not one of them.

These heavy/ish sedatives (even alcohol) can be used by people in the attempt to either loosen up or to 'wind down' a compulsive or type-a internal drive. A lot of times like Radium mentioned, people are actually looking for balance, but at a chemical level. So not always able to find it, especially because some of the herbs long considered "drugs" have been too taboo for the appropriate knowledge to be available for their wise use. But that is changing, at least with Cannabis.

Basically, I'm just saying astrologers and metaphysical people have been hoodwinked by the societal moralizing about these topics and sucked into a metaphysically untenable position.

I could go on, but I don't want to steer this far afield from your article, waxlobster. Good take on it, even if I'm a bit vague on some of it. I might come back to you later.

posted May 23, 2018 06:01 AM            

Thank you so much for your feedback and apologies for the less succinct areas of my piece. I have gotten into a habit of allowing an idea to brew and then suddenly knocking out an article in less than an hour, without even sense checking it. I will go back and try to re-build the areas which lack clarity.

Generally I refer to 'prominent' as conjunct, or tightly opposed or squared to personal planets. I should make this clear, as in this case I don't think a planet on the angles tend to integrate into the psyche in the same way.

I'm glad you picked up and agree with my main point, which is just as you state; that it is lazy to refer to Neptune as the connection to all drugs and addiction. (And not how an experienced astrologer would teach such).

Another point, which I failed to mention is that here in the UK; most of the non-pharmaceutical substances/'drugs' are still linked to 'immorality' or stigmatised in some way. It's shocking really and quite another (rather political) subject. With 2-3 generations in this country believing that certain lifestyles make somebody a less valuable human being, the ensuing dip in self-esteem and bullying from the mainstream obviously makes addiction far more likely. After all if you've been ostracised and judged by a large proportion of 'society', it's not easy to find, or want to find a way back.

It's a huge subject! Anyway thanks again for your feedback Kannon :-)

posted May 23, 2018 06:18 AM            

You are but 23 years old!! I see that you have lived a lot of life in those years, and it sounds like you’ve had quite the exciting times but please don’t give up on love or typecast all women!

Sure, if you are backstage after a gig there may be a certain type of person that wants to speak to the band afterwards and these people may well be superficial. It’s hardly a representation of people in other areas of life though! I’ve performed live myself and hung out with bands, both famous and not famous. I know the drill and it’s a great observational study… but its not where you begin meaningful relationships, it's where people are unravelled, ego focused and unhinged. It's the best movie you'll ever watch, but it's still a performance...

If you don’t want to reach 30 then of course that is your choice, but imagine what you *could* do with all these life experience you have amassed so far? If you could fuel that into your creativity, rather than allowing it to stagnate into cynicism then I’m sure the results would be amazing.

I absolutely love that Neptune-Venus-Uranus conjunction in your chart, what a gift! I remember when I had transiting Neptune conjunct my Venus I decided I wanted to get stoned and just blip out into a transcendental world. So I did, I went to India and Nepal, learned about the culture and how telepathy and connectivity is the norm when you’ve not been taught to believe otherwise. It changed my life and it was before I studied astrology. It was only retrospectively I saw transiting Neptune conjunct Venus!

Your Mars in Leo at the top of your chart is very thirsty for attention and recognition, I see that but your soul pattern operates more comfortably behind closed doors. Use the Mars to generate the buzz, allow yourself to slink into the background, to allow time to regenerate your energy. You are sensitive and deep but Moon in Aquarius is not very emotional. Your path is quite a strategic one and is probably connected a lot to what you have seen of the world and revealing this to others through your art (whichever medium you feel actually represents you the most).

Take care x

posted May 23, 2018 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
... Another point, which I failed to mention is that here in the UK; most of the non-pharmaceutical substances/'drugs' are still linked to 'immorality' or stigmatised in some way. It's shocking really and quite another (rather political) subject. With 2-3 generations in this country believing that certain lifestyles make somebody a less valuable human being, the ensuing dip in self-esteem and bullying from the mainstream obviously makes addiction far more likely. After all if you've been ostracised and judged by a large proportion of 'society', it's not easy to find, or want to find a way back. ...

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Well said!

posted May 24, 2018 07:05 AM            

Do let me know if/when you've written your piece.

posted May 24, 2018 07:37 AM            

It is not so much that they are masochists, but rather, they understand there is a trial they must go through and the sooner they take responsibility, the sooner they can learn and grow.

I don't think it is so much Saturn that causes addiction (to suffering, carrying burden) it is simply their need to be responsible, in some way, to bear the cross. I don't think Saturn on its own indicates addiction.

posted May 24, 2018 11:46 AM            

Sure there is a dutiful side to Saturn (and to Chiron) and most certainly one with a stellium in Capricorn, or a number of personal planets affected by Saturn may well sway in the direction of not being able to justify repose.

However, there are few charts which are so clearly this way. I, for instance have Saturn conjunct Moon, Venus square Uranus, Juipter conjunct Sun. It is the Saturn part of my personality which really thrives on letting my hair down and being a bit wild. In my younger years this was impossible, I would become anxious and be sick almost immediately haha, but now I fully appreciate 'lack of control' as a holiday from Saturn-Moon. It doesn't make me any more gregarious, I can be the first person on the dancefloor without any mind-altering assistance, but it does help with stage fright and my over concern about silly things.

Where does Saturn fall in your chart? Do you find it gives you more a sense of duty, or does it help you grow in that area? Do you ever need to 'break out', or are you content to focus on your responsibilities?