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Topic: Why are superhero movies still popular?
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LunarRose Knowflake Posts: 68 From: Registered: Mar 2014
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posted May 22, 2018 07:45 PM
What outer planet transits would reflect the popularity of superhero movies, comic book/graphic novel movies, and Disney movies in general?
I remember a time when professional wrestling, superheroes, monsters, zombies, and Disney princesses were as seen as things for children to grow out of. Now they seem to be the only films playing at the theater aside from sex comedies.
I know Tim Burton's Batman probably opened a can of worms, but around 2000 this phenomenon really took off and it's still going strong. I'm not sure why. You would think people would be tired by now. Maybe people want to "stay" young forever? Maybe they think life is difficult so they want a movie that spells out for them who the good guys are and who the bad guys are? Maybe I'm overthinking this and the audience just thinks British men playing American men running around in tights is very sexy. I don't know.
I do think some transits reflect this though. I don't know what transits from the early 2000's still effect the present day. Hmm... This subject is still baffling me.IP: Logged |
Selenite Knowflake Posts: 1648 From: Lyra Registered: Aug 2013
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posted May 22, 2018 08:50 PM
yeah, it's pretty disheartening. another question that bothers me daily is why is there so much crap on the radio? do people just want to hear the same cookie cutter music packaged 1000 ways into different 'genres' ? every genre i know has devolved into some kind of 'pop', and even pop has devolved into this hybrid thing. i mean obviously there's good stuff out there but why are the 'top 40' consistently the same flavor of crap and why does it sell??? it's the same answer as the one to your question, i think. most people just don't care about developing good taste in film, music, art, etc. so the awful stuff that's shoved down our throats is accepted without question.  i mean, the proof is there. even if no one on this forum likes that stuff, the majority of people do because it's still going strong. idk what transits apply to it. something that shows a decline in the importance of art?
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PixieJane Moderator Posts: 9244 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 22, 2018 09:54 PM
CGI no doubt has a lot to do with it. Now it's possible and relatively easy for professionals to make stunning images that were impossible before 2000. (I'm still waiting for companies to realize that plenty of times they don't even need actual performers anymore. It's both sad and hilarious to me when CGI characters are actually better actors than the live actors! And to think they won't have to deal with performer snits, scandals, wrecked hotel rooms, walking out, etc.) And CGI can do a lot to cover up shallow characters and stories. Nostalgia plays a huge role as well, though plenty of remakes are just cheap corporate formulas with a paint job of some show and having little to nothing to do with the material other than a few names of towns and characters. But then many will hate-watch it, and that still makes money with less effort and expense from producers and their crew. 'Course this plays on the fact that Disney has always been popular, as have Spielberg movies and the like (also monster movies from long before I was born). Lord of the Rings has been made multiple times, but it wasn't until about 2000 that they could actually make it look awesome to the general public (otherwise it was pretty much only good to the fans of the book). Disney owns so much now that it almost seems like everything is Disney. It looks as if Disney intends to steal the Netflix market. In this day of digital connection, mysteries are always going to be a tough sell as they're going to be spoiled fast. Writing something original is also much harder than recycling something, though I know it still happens (and CGI expands the possibilities of that). I rarely go to the cinema anymore in part because most everything is predictable. I realize this is why most people who go (either by themselves or on a date) are under 30 (sure, plenty older go for their own sake, especially when nostalgia is invoked, but it seems less of a percentage do). That said, I don't think there is that much of a difference. Monsters, zombies, Disney (when it was much smaller), superhero movies and shows, crude sex comedies (as well a romcoms), and the like have always been around. Heck, I was surprised to learn just how supernatural and wacky scifi that soaps like General Hospital (which included a mad scientist trying to freeze the world, a bit on that here ), let alone Dark Shadows, Fantasy Island, and the like (and I was shocked by the couple of Love Boat episodes I saw, which I found more broad minded than Sex and the City, which included a woman having 3 fiances that she was playing, and instead of it blowing up in her face, she continued to play them all and added a fourth!). What I'm saying is that it wasn't just something for children to grow out of, at least no more than when a fan of the Sopranos bemoans that kids are playing Grand Theft Auto (that is, it's very arbitrary as their choice of entertainment is more alike than different). And while I do think there is a connection between a love of wrestling and love of superheroes in tights (and I do know plenty of women get into them--and the supervillains--for the hot guys), I don't think it's that different from loving James Bond or Indiana Jones and the like. After a hard day at work (or school) people just want to turn off their brains for something simple to understand and fun to watch, more often than not, and that's true today, 20 years ago, and 50 years ago (which had plenty of ridiculous comedies, horror, spy movies, superheroes and outrageous scifi, etc) as well. My mom loved Harper Valley PTA which includes some crude sex comedy. Even Betty Boop was something of a sex comedy before it was cracked down on. Because of that I don't see astrology as being involved, but rather modern CGI being exploited for multiple reasons. IP: Logged |
Free Leon Knowflake Posts: 296 From: California Registered: Apr 2015
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posted May 23, 2018 04:05 AM
I think Pluto transiting Capricorn is the reason. Pluto is the planet that affects collective consciousness for the longest duration of time while being in a single sign. Its transition from one sign to another can serve as a marker for the beggining and end of eras in humanity's historic timeline. Pluto's long, consistent transit of a single sign makes it the predominant influencer of the themes/lessons associated with an era. Where as the influence of planets like Saturn and Jupiter comprise a portion of the era, Pluto's influence (as determined by the sign it is transiting) IS the big picture in the grand scheme of things. Now, let's take into consideration the sign of Capricorn. You might be well-versed on this sign, but I'll give some general context for the sake of others, and this explanation. Capricorn is represented by the glyph of the mountain goat, the sign associated with the 10th House, and accordingly ruled by Saturn. Without getting off topic with a lengthy explanation, I will only say that I believe Capricorn represents the concept/energy/process of reaching one's highest aspirations (if the individual is led by the ego) and/or the manifestation of one's destiny (if the individual is led by the soul). Regardless of which one (and as perfectly exemplified by the mountain goat), the concept is the same--being driven for whatever reason to reach a higher plane of existence, and working extremely hard to get there. In a mundane sense this would represent the process of becoming the "best" version of one's self. With all of this being said, let's put our focus on Pluto's transit through Capricorn (which began near the end of 2008). In the grand scheme of things, I believe Pluto's transit through Capricorn is exposing the lowest points of humanity on all levels (political, economical, environmental, societal, individual, etc) and for all to see, while simultaneously shedding light on those individuals who are striving toward their destiny, and inspiring others to do the same. Without getting off topic, I do want to say this--despite the illusion that the current state of the world creates, everyone is destined for greatness. It is not one's destiny to be low. It is the systems (in the broadest sense of the word/think bigger/everything is a system) of the world we are born into that condition people to FEEL low > THINK low > BEHAVE low > BECOME low. Unfortunately, most people pass on without ever having known their destiny, let alone having achieved it. Anyway, superhero movies have definitely become more prominent and widespread since 2008, due largely in part to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, which was launched with 2008's Iron Man, and has since produced 18 more movies, with 13 more in various stages of production. This is not even including DC's movies which include the Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and other DC movies. The characters in these movies exemplify traits/attributes that many people are inspired by and in many cases choose to consciously or subconsciously model themselves after. These heroes are role models, maybe not so literally in terms of the superpowers they have, but instead through the quality of their characters/personalities, what they live/would die for, and a slew of other admirable/desirable characteristics. Now let's put these movies within the context of the fact that most, if not all, of them rank among the highest-grossing movies of all time. With that in mind, it's safe to say these movies, their storylines and characters are massively influential on varying levels of collective consciousness simply by the sheer number of people who watch these movies, obviously. Outside of an astrological context, these movies bring in TONS of money, so that's all the incentive movie studios need to continue churning them out, but it just so happens that these movies work in accordance with Pluto's transit of Capricorn, in that they influence collective consciousness through the portrayal of superb entities (though themelves not entirely perfect) who set examples of character that are worth aspiring to be like. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 1729 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 25, 2018 04:28 AM
Pop culture has been in a weird state since the late 90's. Not sure why. Maybe it's just a stage. Maybe it's a sign of a declining American empire. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 8970 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 25, 2018 12:17 PM
The question is why would super hero movies stop been popular? hahahahahEveryone likes fantasy and the idea of super powers and evolving into superhumans. Its essentially an expression of our desire as a collective to evolve into better and more powerful versions of ourselves and that biological drive will always be there hence I think these types of movies/shows have always been popular and will continue to be; superman, batman, wonderwoman...etc all have been around for quite some time; its not new. The ancient version of superhumans are Greek gods. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 8970 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted May 25, 2018 01:08 PM
With nanotechnology advancing and this vision that humans one day will have nanotechnology incorporated into our biology, superhero/superhuman shows will continue on the rise bc part of its purpose is to sell us this idea which is already in our collective minds since we want to reach those heights.Perhaps this vision will start to manifest itself when Pluto visits Aquarius. IP: Logged |
kewf1988 Knowflake Posts: 155 From: Registered: Dec 2015
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posted May 25, 2018 10:58 PM
You hit the nail on the head, though Neptune is more associated with culture than Pluto, which is associated with world events (if you look at music and TV trends, Neptune is the bigger influence. For example, there is a big difference between early 80s music and late 80s music in that the early 80s sound was more progressive and Sagittarian than the more basic and gritty Capricornian sounds of the late 80s, like Madonna and heavy metal). Materialism, religious fundamentalism, racism, sexism, homophobia, greed, celebrity idolization, corruption, etc. have been exposed non stop since 2008, and you're very right that the system (government, the media, religion, big business) encourages all that, while suppressing stuff that actually empowers people, such as metaphysical subjects (there's a reason why astrology beyond the Sun sign isn't mainstream!). It's no coincidence that our president now embodies all the negative Capricorn traits, as it's pretty obvious he was destined to be president in order to wake people up. About the superhero stuff and Pluto in Aquarius, I can definitely see that happening, though that can also be a trick in order to make it easier for people to be controlled. quote: Originally posted by Free Leon: I think Pluto transiting Capricorn is the reason. Pluto is the planet that affects collective consciousness for the longest duration of time while being in a single sign. Its transition from one sign to another can serve as a marker for the beggining and end of eras in humanity's historic timeline. Pluto's long, consistent transit of a single sign makes it the predominant influencer of the themes/lessons associated with an era. Where as the influence of planets like Saturn and Jupiter comprise a portion of the era, Pluto's influence (as determined by the sign it is transiting) IS the big picture in the grand scheme of things. Now, let's take into consideration the sign of Capricorn. You might be well-versed on this sign, but I'll give some general context for the sake of others, and this explanation. Capricorn is represented by the glyph of the mountain goat, the sign associated with the 10th House, and accordingly ruled by Saturn. Without getting off topic with a lengthy explanation, I will only say that I believe Capricorn represents the concept/energy/process of reaching one's highest aspirations (if the individual is led by the ego) and/or the manifestation of one's destiny (if the individual is led by the soul). Regardless of which one (and as perfectly exemplified by the mountain goat), the concept is the same--being driven for whatever reason to reach a higher plane of existence, and working extremely hard to get there. In a mundane sense this would represent the process of becoming the "best" version of one's self. With all of this being said, let's put our focus on Pluto's transit through Capricorn (which began near the end of 2008). In the grand scheme of things, I believe Pluto's transit through Capricorn is exposing the lowest points of humanity on all levels (political, economical, environmental, societal, individual, etc) and for all to see, while simultaneously shedding light on those individuals who are striving toward their destiny, and inspiring others to do the same. Without getting off topic, I do want to say this--despite the illusion that the current state of the world creates, everyone is destined for greatness. It is not one's destiny to be low. It is the systems (in the broadest sense of the word/think bigger/everything is a system) of the world we are born into that condition people to FEEL low > THINK low > BEHAVE low > BECOME low. Unfortunately, most people pass on without ever having known their destiny, let alone having achieved it. Anyway, superhero movies have definitely become more prominent and widespread since 2008, due largely in part to Marvel's Cinematic Universe, which was launched with 2008's Iron Man, and has since produced 18 more movies, with 13 more in various stages of production. This is not even including DC's movies which include the Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and other DC movies. The characters in these movies exemplify traits/attributes that many people are inspired by and in many cases choose to consciously or subconsciously model themselves after. These heroes are role models, maybe not so literally in terms of the superpowers they have, but instead through the quality of their characters/personalities, what they live/would die for, and a slew of other admirable/desirable characteristics. Now let's put these movies within the context of the fact that most, if not all, of them rank among the highest-grossing movies of all time. With that in mind, it's safe to say these movies, their storylines and characters are massively influential on varying levels of collective consciousness simply by the sheer number of people who watch these movies, obviously. Outside of an astrological context, these movies bring in TONS of money, so that's all the incentive movie studios need to continue churning them out, but it just so happens that these movies work in accordance with Pluto's transit of Capricorn, in that they influence collective consciousness through the portrayal of superb entities (though themelves not entirely perfect) who set examples of character that are worth aspiring to be like.
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capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 439 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted May 27, 2018 10:36 AM
Simple. Pisces is the phoenix dying and Aries is the phoenix rising from the ashes. The superhero genre started to flourish at its highest when Uranus and Neptune went through Pisces (the sign of Hollywood, glamorous escapes and damsels in distresses being rescued, being the martyr who saves the world, etc..) and now they are continuing to flourish and prosper now that Uranus has gone through Aries and Neptune will go through Aries in some years. Aries is the ultimate hero who rises from the ashes. He is literally the God of War. Haven't you noticed how superhero movies have shifted from that dreamy " saving the damsel in distress and martying yourself to save the world" to the more climatic superheros of now where every other scene is a big battle full of fighting, intense camera panning, and shouting at the top of your lungs every five seconds? The early 2000s (Uranus and Neptune going through Pisces) was also when the romantic comedy was at its peak and most superhero movies were very watered down and had more of a Tim Burton feel to them. Now, we rarely see romantic comedies and the few that we do see often include some sort of Aries nature, like frat partying, drinking and getting hungover, late night stands, etc. (Uranus in Aries, Neptune in Pisces). The same with the superhero movies, like the Avengers. There is that mystical crowd-inducing glamour of being a martyr saving the world from mass destruction (Neptune in Pisces) blended in with the overused sex jokes and relationships, the sultry and sexy superheros ripping their clothes off in random scenes and all the big husky men somehow leading a team to save the galaxy (Uranus in Aries). To put it short and sweet, whatever happens with Uranus and Neptune is typically how Hollywood will reflect that. This is because Uranus and Neptune are everything that Hollywood represents. Uranus = the masses, the public, the bridge between world renown and the career. Neptune = glamour and beauty, celebrity and film, etc. So whatever happens to these two planets is what will be popular in Hollywood at that particular time. When Uranus was in Gemini many many years ago, all of the big Hollywood movies had those ridiculously long dialogues between characters and barely any actual plot. When Neptune was in Leo, we had the likes of Ms. Marilyn Monroe lighting up the screen with her dazzling solo image and every other female actress wanted to be just like her (Jayne Mansfield anyone?); it's that Leo jealousy. When Uranus and Neptune were in Sagittarius, we had had that influx of travel and spiritual movies, those movies that questioned the being of society and politics. When Uranus and Neptune were in Capricorn every movie was about how to be your own man, how to climb the ladder of success in the business market with your own smarts and no one else. All the sci fi movies were about a witty gang of people strategically using their smarts to overthrow the evil ones instead of rushing right in.. Typical Capricorn. Uranus and Neptune in Aquarius was the technology era of movies. All the kids movies and adults movies were about the space age, the incoming technological age, the power of the internet for business or for love life, etc... Pluto is also a generational planet that affects the masses but it is more in terms of politics than anything else. Uranus and Neptune affect us in the Hollywood area, where movies and shows and books influence our opinion. IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 439 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted May 27, 2018 10:41 AM
I will assume that once Neptune enters and LEAVES Aries is when the superhero genre will officially die down and not come back for many decades after. It will still be there of course, as we need a variety of genres to pick and pluck from, but it will definitely not be as prominent after Neptune leaves Aries in the oncoming decade or so.IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 907 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted May 29, 2018 11:47 AM
I have been thinking the EXACT SAME THING. It's always the same formulaic story trope. Now that we have Uranus entering Taurus, we'll see a shake-up of new art, further pushed when Pluto enters Aquarius. Sci-fi Fantasy themes aren't going anywhere. I think I just read that Netflix has upped their budget by millions for those projects. But hopefully the world will let go of the overdone superhero movies. @capricorncheriscty I really enjoyed reading your post. What genres do you think will be popular with Neptune moving into Aries? IP: Logged | |