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Topic: Hypothetical aspects/conjunctions - do you think there's any value to it?
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Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 577 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted June 01, 2018 10:33 PM
Let me explain with an example. (for the record, I'm probably not the first to think of this, and I don't know if it's an actual thing or not) So, let's say you've got a person with their sun in Taurus in the 3rd house. But, then you've got another person who's a Gemini sun.
The first person's sun being in the 3rd is the house of Gemini, so a Taurus with Gemini traits. Meanwhile, the other actually IS a Gemini. Could it be said there's a hypothetical sun conjunction here between two people (depending on degree, of course) that is milder than the literal conjunction? Likewise, say you've got a person, call them Julia, who's got their rising in Cancer. Another person, call them Bob, has his Mars in the 4th house (doesn't matter the sign). So, could this be seen as Bob's Mars conjunct Julia's ascendant, in a sort of more subdued, roundabout way?
I'm interested in hearing if you think there could be something to it? Try this out with people you know and see if it could apply with various aspects like this. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Moderator Posts: 3408 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 01, 2018 10:40 PM
No, this is bending terms and their material meanings all out of shape. This type of thing needs a different name if it deserves one at all.------------------ "Drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a playing of energy, and there is absolutely nothing fundamentally to be afraid of." -- Alan Watts Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy Expert Rectification IP: Logged |
Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 577 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted June 01, 2018 11:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: No, this is bending terms and their material meanings all out of shape. This type of thing needs a different name if it deserves one at all.
Okay, well, do you want to explain further why you think so? And What else could it be called? IP: Logged |
angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 3148 From: Registered: Oct 2014
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posted June 02, 2018 12:29 AM
you can't compare "aspects" to "similar natal characteristic traits" when comparing two natals. i know exactly what your talking about. i understand if you want this to be a sun conjunct sun in a milder version but it is not. Do I believe there is "influence" when we see a taurus sun in the 3rd house and a gemini sun? YES! MOST CERTAINLY! and actually it often happens especially between the family, friends etc. it may perhaps feel somewhat of a conjunction but again i wouldn't compare aspects in synastry to similar natal traits when comparing two natals. I think this influence is MINOR what your talking about, in my opinion and in my experience when I' m dating or finding friends or just happen to feel a similar connection with someone, I notice that there ARE "similar natals aspects" they have that are similar to MY natal chart, its BOUND to happen! ALSO even in the PROGRESSED CHART! especially when a transit HITS THAT! it gets complicated....... but i know exactly what you mean, again aspects are a different story. I hope this was resonating again you are entitled to your own opinions; I'm just sharing my personal experience/knowledge etc. I can give you an example, I have a friend where a lot of people think we look alike; we both have the same ascendants but there not conjunct and we both have moon in the 7th house in the SAME SIGN! however.....i don't consider her a best friend however she's a very nice person and i do share something similar with her HOWEVER!!!!!! i have moon square uranus within 3 degrees of orb and she has moon quincunx mars exact.... plus her moon is not even conjunct my moon (its over 10 degrees wide!!) its square my sun within 2 degrees of orb and theres times where she feels I'm not completely understanding of her feelings; and to be honest i see her as an energy vampire .....which is why i kind of keep my distance even though i understand her emotional need for relationships (moon in the 7th) like me. ------------------ starsaboveyoureadings.com Astrologer, Medium, Kipper and Lenormand Reader! Feel free to follow me on Instagram! IP: Logged |
capricorncheriscty Knowflake Posts: 536 From: Registered: Nov 2017
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posted June 02, 2018 12:44 AM
No and the answer is simple. The conjunction is an aspect based off of degrees of planetary connection. Same with other aspects. To say someone's planet is in conjunction with another person's planet is to say that their planet's energies resonate on the same level. For example, Sun conjunct Sun. This would mean that the energy of the 1st person's ego meshes well with the energy of the 2nd person's ego. There is a direct connection. We cannot say a person with Sun in the 10th has a conjunction to Sun in Capricorn because that is not a direct connection. It is very indirect, as in you have to say "Well Capricorn rules the 10th house and since they are both in the Sun then that must mean it is a conjunction." That makes no sense. It's like saying an apple is a pear because an apple and a pear are both round fruits that can be eaten as a snack. They are similar but not the same, they do not conjunct. This applies to all aspects. Your logic is very flawed and seems to be pushing it to the max. A sun in Gemini cannot be "conjunct" a sun in 3rd house. They may share similar patterns of egotism but they are in no way the "same" for them to be "conjunct". IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 5617 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 02, 2018 06:26 AM
I see where you are going. But I don't think people would see that as a "conjunction" in the strict sense of the word. Maybe affinity.Similarly Saturn in 7th would relate to Saturn in Libra and Moon in 7th with Moon in Libra etc. I think that this goes back to the debate of whether the house the planet in it factors influence in the expression of the sign. Can we say Sun in 8th for instance is likely to find common ground with Sun in Scorpio? You may also need to factor in the fact that house rulership is different depending on the chart concerned and house system. For instance modern astrology associates the 3rd house with Mercury. This is not so with Chaldean astrology(which I am rapidly becoming a fan of) which alludes the 3rd house to Mars. So if someone has Sun in 3rd, it may allude to Gemini in the former instance. But the same Sun position has Mars/Aries rulership in the latter. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7219 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 02, 2018 07:23 AM
yes, very much soIt is called "AFFINITY", not conjunction. google Affinity in Synastry and you will get a lot of info on it. here is one sample: http://thezodiac.com/room.htm
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Lalafortunaea Knowflake Posts: 577 From: Registered: Jul 2017
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posted June 02, 2018 10:04 AM
Ahhh ok so affinty then! Phew, glad you guys got what I said, better than me even IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 02, 2018 11:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: yes, very much soIt is called "AFFINITY", not conjunction. google Affinity in Synastry and you will get a lot of info on it. here is one sample: http://thezodiac.com/room.htm
Took the words right out of my mouth. I think it would most prominent with sun, moon, asc. So, let's say someone has a Scorpio asc, and their partner has a Scorpio moon. There's an affinity. I've looked at personal planets as well, but the big 3 seem to hold more significance in relation to affinity. IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 02, 2018 11:17 AM
It would also resonate with a moon/Pluto person. They would be in the same groove as a Scorpio (moon, sun, etc). But it is not a conjunction. IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 02, 2018 12:27 PM
Now with houses, I think it works in a similar fashion, but I don't think it's super strong. So taking a different example with moon in Pisces in the 5th, you're thinking that there would be an affinity with a leo sun. I can see that only if there are other supporting aspects I suppose. Like you have some fire in your chart connected to that Leo moon. I still think there would be affinity, but obviously not as strong as having something really connected to that moon. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7219 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 02, 2018 01:54 PM
Oh the affinity with house placement is also very strong,llewc An 8th house Sun is very plutonic and goes well with other people Scorpio planets, they get each other. I have an 8th house Venus and I am drawn to plutonic planets on others IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 02, 2018 03:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: Oh the affinity with house placement is also very strong,llewc An 8th house Sun is very plutonic and goes well with other people Scorpio planets, they get each other. I have an 8th house Venus and I am drawn to plutonic planets on others
Ok I have a question for you...so since you have a feminine planet in the 8th, do you find yourself more in tune with others who have masculine planets that would represent their plutonic vibe? See, I've seen this, but there was always another connection somewhere if it was a closer elationship than let's say acquaintances. So with your Venus in the 8th, don't you also have an aspect to it? I'm talking about people who have a closer relationship with you now, who also have that plutonic linkage to your Venus. Or is it really just that they have Mars, sun, or perhaps moon in Scorpio with no aspect. Just curious thanks orange!
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 97044 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2018 09:19 PM
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Orange Knowflake Posts: 7219 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 06, 2018 09:26 PM
Hello, llewon your question: with my Venus in the 8th, in Libra, I am very attracted to Marsian type of men, its been usually Scoprios or Aries, mostly. I like very Marsian men with some strong Pluto in their charts. basically, I like to feel overpowered, mostly because I am such a b**ch , having someone overpowering me is a turn on, ya kno Their Suns fall in either my 8th house or in my 2nd house. My Venus hasn't been heavily involved aspect-wise, surprisingly.
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llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 07, 2018 09:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Orange: Hello, llewon your question: with my Venus in the 8th, in Libra, I am very attracted to Marsian type of men, its been usually Scoprios or Aries, mostly. I like very Marsian men with some strong Pluto in their charts. basically, I like to feel overpowered, mostly because I am such a b**ch , having someone overpowering me is a turn on, ya kno Their Suns fall in either my 8th house or in my 2nd house. My Venus hasn't been heavily involved aspect-wise, surprisingly.
Lol...i get it. Yes that is surprising that the planet itself is not aspected. Thanks for providing the additional details. IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7219 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 07, 2018 10:56 AM
Venus was aspected but not heavily. Like one or two aspects mostly IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 07, 2018 11:10 AM
Oh..we're the planets aspecting it Mars or Pluto? Or their chart ruler I wonder? IP: Logged |
Orange Knowflake Posts: 7219 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 07, 2018 11:23 AM
Just in one case, their Mars Squared it. It didn't feel good IP: Logged |
llewsacm Knowflake Posts: 972 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted June 07, 2018 09:45 PM
Ty orange. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 97044 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2018 05:56 PM
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 97044 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 97044 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2018 03:52 PM
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