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mercmercy99
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posted June 05, 2018 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercmercy99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The more I post, the more unsure I am that I'm posting amateur stuff that belongs in the beginner section. If this is too asinine then please let me know, and I will refrain from posting this kind of stuff haha.

I'm curious if ascendant aspects could be considered similar to aspects to the rulers of the ascendant?? It's something I've asked about before and have been thinking about for a while now, but I can never find much info about it (probably for good reason but I'd love to have as many opinions about it as possible). So, for instance, I have Mercury trine my Aquarius ascendant. Would that be similar to Mercury trine Uranus?? This cafeastrology description of that aspect is so very accurate for me:

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You are open to new ideas, and come up with your own fair share of unique perspectives yourself. You have a technical bent and might take special interest in computers, technology, and science. Your intuition is very strong and mostly leads you in the right direction. You have a friendly, tolerant, and unprejudiced manner. You avoid making unfair judgments, being hypocritical, or stereotyping. You are very truthful and abhor modes of thinking that are biased and narrow. You are resourceful, witty, and quick to grasp and understand new subjects. Your thinking is often quite naturally outside of the box and very quick, and it can be baffling to you when you observe others who donít get to the same conclusions as you in half the time. Still, you require much space and freedom to do your own thinking, and you donít take kindly to anyone trying to force-feed you information or opinions. You are at your mental best and most cooperative when you have had the chance to find your own inspiration, and you easily feel hypocritical if you donítĖa feeling that doesnít sit well with you one bit.

I'm sure I'm not duping myself into thinking this all applies to me. I've always been known to be the more technologically advanced one in our family. My MySpace profile was very clean and uncluttered thanks to my HTML skills, and it always bothered me when people left the ads in the codes for their profile layouts lol. The most truthful line in that description is the part about abhorring biased thinking and narrow-mindedness, especially in today's political climate but let's not go there.

I also have Venus sextile and Pluto square my ascendant. Uranus square Pluto is a generational aspect, and I don't really know how that applies to my little theory lol. However, the cafeastrology description for Venus sextile Uranus seems pretty suiting, especially this line:

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Their style in love is somewhat free and breezy, and noncommittal. They quite naturally accept the idea that their partner might need some personal space and freedom.

I've brought up this idea before on other forums and some have agreed with me, but a few have mentioned that the Ascendant is only a point in your chart and doesn't really have as much significance as the planets. I get that. It also doesn't make sense when the planet aspecting your ascendant is also the ruler of your ascendant. If I had Virgo or Gemini rising, then I'd have Mercury trine Mercury energy? What would that even mean?

Anyway, what do you guys think? What are your ascendant aspects and how well do the corresponding ascendant ruler aspects apply to you? Sorry if this is all confusing to follow. I only had a few hours of sleep last night, and my brain is all over the place today.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 05, 2018 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mercmercy99:
I'm curious if ascendant aspects could be considered similar to aspects to the rulers of the ascendant?? ... So, for instance, I have Mercury trine my Aquarius ascendant. Would that be similar to Mercury trine Uranus??

Somewhat similar, but not the same.

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I've brought up this idea before on other forums and some have agreed with me, but a few have mentioned that the Ascendant is only a point in your chart and doesn't really have as much significance as the planets.

It is as significant -- IF it is accurate. That is the problem. Often charts do not have Asc figures accurate enough to be certain of all the aspects to Asc.

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... It also doesn't make sense when the planet aspecting your ascendant is also the ruler of your ascendant.

Why not?

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If I had Virgo or Gemini rising, then I'd have Mercury trine Mercury energy? What would that even mean?

Asc in Gemini or Virgo trine to Mercury means a well integrated mentality in self-expression that allows facility with relevant communications and mental tasks and shows someone inherently adapted to education (or at least self-education) and linguistic development.

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Anyway, what do you guys think? What are your ascendant aspects and how well do the corresponding ascendant ruler aspects apply to you?

The aspects to the Asc show the general tone of your self-expression and the planetary energies assisting how you express yourself; the energies (planets) you enlist most commonly and the way you tend to do that (type of aspect).

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Randall
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posted June 09, 2018 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Stellia
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posted June 09, 2018 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stellia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is such an interesting topic, thank you for bringing it up!

I'd never thought of this before, so I just looked up a couple of aspects. I have Venus trine my ascendant, which is also Aquarius, and yep, cookbook interpretations of Venus trine Uranus are absolutely me to a tee.

Similarly, a friend of mine has Uranus exactly conjunct his Sagittarius ascendant. Admittedly, his Jupiter is also conjunct (5degrees), but, yep, he definitely fits the jupiter-uranus bill.

I think using the ruling planets is really interesting when looking at angles. I don't doubt at all that having Uranus right on the ascendant gives that friend very much an aqua-rising persona in some ways, and other times his sag-rising shows - no doubt assisted by his Leo moon in warming up those Uranus quirks.

For what it's worth I really don't think this is a silly question - thanks for asking it as I'm curious, now, too!

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mercmercy99
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posted June 12, 2018 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercmercy99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

Thank you!

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mercmercy99
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posted June 12, 2018 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercmercy99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stellia:
This is such an interesting topic, thank you for bringing it up!

I'd never thought of this before, so I just looked up a couple of aspects. I have Venus trine my ascendant, which is also Aquarius, and yep, cookbook interpretations of Venus trine Uranus are absolutely me to a tee.

Similarly, a friend of mine has Uranus exactly conjunct his Sagittarius ascendant. Admittedly, his Jupiter is also conjunct (5degrees), but, yep, he definitely fits the jupiter-uranus bill.

I think using the ruling planets is really interesting when looking at angles. I don't doubt at all that having Uranus right on the ascendant gives that friend very much an aqua-rising persona in some ways, and other times his sag-rising shows - no doubt assisted by his Leo moon in warming up those Uranus quirks.

For what it's worth I really don't think this is a silly question - thanks for asking it as I'm curious, now, too!


Well thanks! I'm always worried about coming off as ignorant, something I definitely do not want to be haha.

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mercmercy99
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posted June 12, 2018 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercmercy99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Why not?


It was just confusing to me how a planet can affect itself or interact with itself in one's own chart.

Anyway, thanks for your reply!

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Randall
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posted June 17, 2018 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Randall
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posted June 21, 2018 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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nordicsoul
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posted June 22, 2018 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not consider ascendant in aquarius trine mercury to be similar to uranus trine mercury.

maybe you resonate with the quote about uranus-mercury, for many reasons not related to your question. nowadays many people are into technology, it is part of a day to day situation. by the way, i have never liked that particular discription about uranus. I have square uranus-mercury and uranus moon, and i have no interest for technology, actually, i avoid new gadgets. however, i identify too close with the archetypel meaning of that aspect. sometimes some description of aspect in internet are so lame.

regarding rulers. i do see them important and i find sometimes more meaning when reading into them, but i use more clasical rulers and combine with new rulers.

the way i would go is. you have ascendant aquarius, i would check what saturn and uranus are doing in the chart to understand your ascendant better. aspect and house position. that would reveal a lot of about the ascendant. you have mercury in aspect of the ascendant, you bring the mercurial qualities to your mannerism, way of moving, your physicality, the mercurial quality is obvious to any observer and it is part of your instinctive reaction to new situations and people.

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Randall
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posted June 27, 2018 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

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SimplyLuna
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posted June 27, 2018 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey you! I see you on the other forum before. I think I have some contemplating thoughts about this theory. If that's the case, why don't we consider other angles too - MC, IC and DSC? Why just ASC, maybe I am missing something.

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Randall
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posted July 03, 2018 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who?

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SimplyLuna
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posted July 11, 2018 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SimplyLuna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Randall,

The OP

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