posted June 07, 2018 10:38 PM            

Kate Spade—-Trying To Understand Her

The Venus conjunct Neptune strikes me. This aspect is the native who cannot see clearly when in love. This aspect does play out in a similar way in all the charts I have studied. The person truly cannot see clearly to discern the true nature of the person she loves. We have heard that Kate and her husband were having marital problems. Her suicide note showed the depth of rancor she had to her husband. I will say that someone with this aspect may not have chose her husband well in the first place. I say “may” because we would need to see the synastry to really make such a bold statement and stand by it.

As I do the chart, I realize that I do need to insert some asteroids. Her Moon, likely, has some painful asteroids in aspect to it. I bet her Ascendant does, as well, and likely the other angles. I will do a second article with some asteroids. Her Moon does square Chiron at 5 degrees. However, we need to remember that the Moon may not be exact, as I mentioned above. Moon square Chiron is VERY painful. It is a very difficult and painful relationship with the mother that does not seem able to be resolved, no matter how hard both people try.

Her Sun seems to have positive aspects. This tells me that her relationship with her father was fairly good. She, herself, has the aspect of brilliance–Sun trine Uranus. Daryl Hall has this, too. I notice this aspect because I admire it so much. It is a genius kind of innovative intelligence, not a “parrot the teacher” kind of intelligence.

She has Pluto Retrograde, which tells us she is a person who, likely, does not feel comfortable with her personal power.

She has Uranus Retrograde, which tells us that she is not really comfortable being “weird” or different than the societal norms.

Mercury Trine Pluto is lovely. She can speak her mind.

So far, what I see that is the most explosive and problematic is the Chiron/Jupiter conjunction oppose Uranus. One does not want Jupiter in conjunction with any “bad asteroids or planet, in this case”. Jupiter enlarges that which it touches. If it is a “good asteroid” or a planet such as the Moon or Venus, we have great benefits. Jupiter conjunct Venus is a person who can show “big love”. However, if Jupiter conjuncts Chiron, the person has “big pain.

Uranus makes unstable that which it touches. I have not really studied the transits in her chart for the day she died. I do not pay that much attention to transits. because we all have good and bad ones. Most of the time, the transits do not result in terrible things like suicide, so I don’t like to draw conclusions from transits. However, if anything really explosive or very painful aspects in transit touch this natal aspect, it may be the reason she felt she could not go on. I have seen the asteroid Aphophis, in transit, hit the natal Jupiter and a suicide resulted. However, the natal chart did have many markers for deep pain, such as Chiron conjunct the IC and a Mercury/Uranus opposition( electrical, racing mind)

She is low in air, which may make it hard to reach out and communicate.

I stand with the Chiron/Jupiter conjunction oppose the Uranus as the most problematic aspect I have seen so far. We don’t know houses, so we don’t know which realm of life held her pain. We can see this by the House of Chiron. I will look at some asteroids tomorrow, particularly Aphophis, which is the asteroid that shakes things up very badly and creates chaos.

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posted June 07, 2018 11:20 PM            

Her lack of trying to find reconciliation with her husband is also very un-Libra of her to me. A Libra fights for their relationship, not fight for their partner, but their relationship. A Libra gets couples therapy and keeps living in the same home even though they are struggling to be around each other. A Libra cannot stand the idea of a relationship they spent years cultivating and tenderizing going to shambles over absolutely anything. They keep up appearances. They didn't legally separate or divorce but they made sure to not be sleeping in the same house. That's too obvious for a Libra in my opinion. In the most recent news, it says that Kate Spade committed suicide out of fear of her husband divorcing her. Also does not sound Libra to me. Libra fights for the relationship, not the partner, the relationship, until the very end...I feel her Juno and Vesta in Virgo is on an angle maybe. The strain and stress (vesta) of her marriage (Juno) hurt her into doing something tragically irreversible to her image/personal life (Angle).

Looking at her and her career, I would say she is a Virgo ASC with Gemini MC or a Scorpio ASC with Leo MC or Virgo MC. I believe there is some Virgo there. She looks like a heavy mix of Sarah Silverman and Kate Middleton. I believe Kate Spade has her Venus or Mars on or near an angle.She seemed like a very soft person, and the love planets on angles can often do this. Reading up on her, she seemed to be a highly indecisive/worrisome person from youth all the way to her unfortunate death. That seems to be a mutable ASC or MC to me. She has also changed her name legally so many times, typical of Virgos and Geminis. Their ruling planet Mercury is the prince of changing one's self-image...

Now away from guessing....

Something that I noticed in her chart is that she her two tighest aspects are to her Moon but they are squares. Moon square Uranus and Moon square Jupiter.

The fact that her two tightest aspects are to the Moon is already making for a person who has an emotional intensity that she may or may not let loose, but the squares added in must've have made it even worse. I daresay she probably never ever told anyone how she was feeling out of fear of seeming weird/mentally unstable (Uranus) or just disconnected from reality (Jupiter). That with her Capricorn placements, she must have felt horribly bottled up. Capricorns hate to bother others with their problems. For us, it's like asking someone to beat you up and no Capricorn wants to feel hurt any more than what they already do.

Her natal Jupiter in Pisces trine Neptune in Scorpio being conjunct TR Neptune in Pisces and tr Jupiter in Scorpio probably onto that feeling of an immense amount of suffocated emotions that just couldn't seem to find themselves breaking free properly due to her agitated moon.

posted June 16, 2018 06:57 PM            

I've also not got a whole lot of air, either.

posted June 17, 2018 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
"Every celebrity is a Libra" thing... I think I will be the first to stop assuming every pretty person or every person related to fashion and beauty and music is a Libra....She does not look or act anything like a Libra to me but I suppose when the birth certificate comes out and if she is a Libra I'll bite my tongue.

Her lack of trying to find reconciliation with her husband is also very un-Libra of her to me. A Libra fights for their relationship, not fight for their partner, but their relationship. A Libra gets couples therapy and keeps living in the same home even though they are struggling to be around each other. A Libra cannot stand the idea of a relationship they spent years cultivating and tenderizing going to shambles over absolutely anything. They keep up appearances. They didn't legally separate or divorce but they made sure to not be sleeping in the same house. That's too obvious for a Libra in my opinion. In the most recent news, it says that Kate Spade committed suicide out of fear of her husband divorcing her. Also does not sound Libra to me. Libra fights for the relationship, not the partner, the relationship, until the very end...I feel her Juno and Vesta in Virgo is on an angle maybe. The strain and stress (vesta) of her marriage (Juno) hurt her into doing something tragically irreversible to her image/personal life (Angle).

Looking at her and her career, I would say she is a Virgo ASC with Gemini MC or a Scorpio ASC with Leo MC or Virgo MC. I believe there is some Virgo there. She looks like a heavy mix of Sarah Silverman and Kate Middleton. I believe Kate Spade has her Venus or Mars on or near an angle.She seemed like a very soft person, and the love planets on angles can often do this. Reading up on her, she seemed to be a highly indecisive/worrisome person from youth all the way to her unfortunate death. That seems to be a mutable ASC or MC to me. She has also changed her name legally so many times, typical of Virgos and Geminis. Their ruling planet Mercury is the prince of changing one's self-image...

Now away from guessing....

Something that I noticed in her chart is that she her two tighest aspects are to her Moon but they are squares. Moon square Uranus and Moon square Jupiter.

The fact that her two tightest aspects are to the Moon is already making for a person who has an emotional intensity that she may or may not let loose, but the squares added in must've have made it even worse. I daresay she probably never ever told anyone how she was feeling out of fear of seeming weird/mentally unstable (Uranus) or just disconnected from reality (Jupiter). That with her Capricorn placements, she must have felt horribly bottled up. Capricorns hate to bother others with their problems. For us, it's like asking someone to beat you up and no Capricorn wants to feel hurt any more than what they already do.

Her natal Jupiter in Pisces trine Neptune in Scorpio being conjunct TR Neptune in Pisces and tr Jupiter in Scorpio probably onto that feeling of an immense amount of suffocated emotions that just couldn't seem to find themselves breaking free properly due to her agitated moon.

Correct me if you feel I am wrong on anything. I am very open to hearing anything else about this fellow Capricorn unfortunately ending her life so soon. Really hurt me when I first read about it.....

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