posted July 13, 2018 01:29 PM            

I think it's my air/earth heavy chart that accounts for this. I function primarily on logic and like simplicity like most men.

posted July 13, 2018 02:05 PM            

Watery/earthy women are a little more grounded in their attractions and tend to be more hesitant to just lay it all out there.

posted July 13, 2018 03:32 PM            

SO there you go. Do I loooove men? I love attraction,desire and romance,I love the dance of the lovers. With sun and moon square neptune and venus conjunct mars trine neptune I can put either sex on a pedestal if they are worthy of admiration.

posted July 14, 2018 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Bearee:
I would say : a very healthy, beautiful relationship with your dad

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Haha, lawl, my relation with my dad was nonexistent almost.

posted July 14, 2018 10:04 AM            

But I would not be so quick to say this makes one "love" men. Maybe one who loves the open candor of approach that is often attributed to Men(typically).

Most girls that I know who like the company of guys tend to feel awkward with girls or ill at ease because their strengths(knowing how to play sports) is not what their relative gender group(typically) considers an "advantage".

The same with men who are in touch with their feminine side are seen as less " masculine" by the other guys. So they will naturally gravitate to women.

posted July 14, 2018 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Haha, lawl, my relation with my dad was nonexistent almost.

Once he was gone, good riddance. Don't even know the man's birthday, I care so little. I mean why invest anything in someone who doesn't care diddly squat about you.

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I read that this could happen with Sun aspect Neptune, that bec your father was absent that you idealize men bc you did not have a male role model growing up to compare other men to resulting in seeing men through rose colored glasses and or having unrealistic expectations of them...something like that.

Based on this input you are giving I would say that you have father hunger and in your case it manifests by putting men in higher regard. You have a very strong desire to make them happy and please them so that you can get that approval you did not get from your own father, of course this is all subconscious.

I have noticed this with SOME guys who have father hunger were they put up on a pedestal their male friends in their life who are possibly narcissistic and using them and make these male friends a priority over relationships they may have with women. These men seem to fill that father hunger void with their male friends but is almost like they become stuck in their development bc they are seeking that validation they never received from their farther through their male friends and as a result are unable to move on to form a truly healthy relationship with women leading to a lot of self-sabotaging bc they are fixated in getting that approval from their male friends, subconsciously they are trying to get unmet needs from childhood met through them.

This may not apply to you but just putting it out there.

posted July 14, 2018 04:16 PM            

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I have noticed this with SOME guys who have father hunger were they put up on a pedestal their male friends in their life who are possibly narcissistic and using them and make these male friends a priority over relationships they may have with women. These men seem to fill that father hunger void with their male friends but is almost like they become stuck in their development bc they are seeking that validation they never received from their farther through their male friends and as a result are unable to move on to form a truly healthy relationship with women leading to a lot of self-sabotaging bc they are fixated in getting that approval from their male friends, subconsciously they are trying to get unmet needs from childhood met through them.

This may not apply to you but just putting it out there.

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Oh, I hear you Mama and daddy's boys are to be looked out for. And if they're STILL there in their 40's, it'll be super ingrained by then. Generally speaking that hunger for approval makes people untrustworthy and duplicitous - siding with getting fed over real love, friendship and loyalty. About 60% of the men I know have this issue. Can't really be too close or have a genuine friendship or relationship with them. All you've got to do is say something that doesn't paint their father figure in the best possible light, and you'll hit a wall and likely be attacked. "So Carlos was so rude to the waiter!" And then they turn on you :P And this one girlfriend I have, she'll flake out if a better option comes along that'll give her that narcissistic approval.

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I read that this could happen with Sun aspect Neptune, that bec your father was absent that you idealize men bc you did not have a male role model growing up to compare other men to resulting in seeing men through rose colored glasses and or having unrealistic expectations of them...something like that.
Based on this input you are giving I would say that you have father hunger and in your case it manifests by putting men in higher regard. You have a very strong desire to make them happy and please them so that you can get that approval you did not get from your own father, of course this is all subconscious.

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Honestly, I got plenty of approval from him way back when, so that was never an issue, and I don't seek out approval. But I'm not going to make an effort to maintain a relationship if approval is all I get. If anything, a codependent relationship where one person seeks approval, and the other gets validated by having their approval mean something, really irks me, so I'll tend to avoid those dynamics more often than not. Sure, having support for life choices is usually optimal, but if someone doesn't approve, well, then, better to be honest with yourself and get genuine respect than to alter our personality for someone else. And if anything I've got no problem voicing my opinion and disagreeing with them, even if it means they won't like me since I don't validate them. But if I feel that someone is agreeing with me, not because they really do, but because they're trying to use me to enter a dynamic where I make them feel good about themselves just cause they agree, that will cause me to run. So I don't think that my appreciation, exaltation and love of men is due to trauma or daddy issues :P

But this does remind me of this guy I know who often complains about 'coming from a broken home' and needing some kind of validation of having "the perfect family life" (which does not exist imo. Eye of the beholder, and all). Thing is, his parents married when they were young, had kids, and worked good jobs. But more or less, his parents were together out of societal pressure and the need to appear normal. But his mom was never happy with his dad, just pretended for the sake of the kids. meanwhile, his dad resented his wife and his job. For him, his wife was a job, too.

posted July 14, 2018 07:18 PM            

I think it may be my Sun in the 1st house. Plus no bad aspects to my sun. I admire men, and usually prefer male singers, celebrities, etc

I also grew up with no dad. And even though I have a preference towards males I am quite shy around them lol

posted July 14, 2018 08:26 PM            

I have Sun square Neptune and Sun opposite Moon. That is it, my Mars has many nice aspects: Mars conjunct Venus trine neptune, sextile pluto, Mars rules my IC.

I do connect more with men; my dad, my grandpa, my best friends from childhood, my uncle...

posted July 15, 2018 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I do have a preference for males. Not only as love interests but just in general. Even in animals. I wanted a male dog. I also rather have a son. It's not that I don't like women, I don't judge someone because they are male or female , it's just that I prefer males. I see so many women hate men and somehow I feel like Im supposed to dislike them too, because women always go aroubd saying "all men are the same" "men are pigs/dogs" etc. making me wonder if it's true, but I think there is good and bad in every gender, ethnicity, etc in my view it doesn't have to do with the label but the person within.

I think it may be my Sun in the 1st house. Plus no bad aspects to my sun. I admire men, and usually prefer male singers, celebrities, etc

I also grew up with no dad. And even though I have a preference towards males I am quite shy around them lol

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Yes I agree about the women who go around saying "men are pigs", it reflects more on their inner psychology and where they're at maturity wise. It's basically the same as the men who think most chicks are gold diggers :P If a guy thinks that about women, then he'll likely not think too highly of them and treat them bad. Likewise a woman who is of poor opinion of men will likely be abusive in sneaky ways. I really think the way we feel about the opposite sex just mirrors us.

It's interesting you mention male singers though. I more often than not actually will prefer male singers, BUT, I prefer actresses to actors. And I tend to like male dogs.

I do also have a preference for males as love interests, but with women, I don't mind FWB situations.

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I tend to connect well with men and I tend to have their back and understand them. I am not shy around them and feel very comfortable with them. My next door neighbors back then, David and Isaac, were my childhood best friends.

I have Sun square Neptune and Sun opposite Moon. That is it, my Mars has many nice aspects: Mars conjunct Venus trine neptune, sextile pluto, Mars rules my IC.

I do connect more with men; my dad, my grandpa, my best friends from childhood, my uncle...

I think bc my Mars rules my IC and has nice aspects is why but both my sun and moon square neptune although my sun square neptune is tighter than my moon square neptune.

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posted July 15, 2018 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I know of one woman who loves men in that sense that if she could she would have them all.

I don't know her birth time but she has a Gemini Sun Mars conjunction opposite a tight Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius.

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posted July 16, 2018 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Lala what is pallas doing in your chart, pallas rules father daughter relationships. I wonder if is well aspected in your chart? Maybe you have pallas conjunct venus? so you looooove men.

IDK just wondering..

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posted July 16, 2018 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
Surprisingly it's barely doing anything
12th house Aries, only square Chiron and BQ Mars. Surely that Mars aspect isn't strong enough to count much. Though being in a fire sign might help!

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Actually IDK bc the Biquintile is an interactive aspect but yes I am not sure if is this. I would think Pallas biquintile mars though means you have creative potential when it comes to your strategic skills and maybe interacting with men brings out your creative potential even more. Maybe you have great stimulating brainstorming sessions with men.

Again totally brainstorming here..

But that is lovely that biquintile to your mars actually.

What sign is it on?

posted July 17, 2018 06:31 AM            

In the way of getting along better with men, I tend to see women with positive Moon/Mars aspects mentioning this. Conversely, women with negative Moon/Mars aspects struggle with male energy. The same way I see women flocking to other women with positive Moon/Venus aspects and not so with negative Moon/Venus aspects. [/QUOTE

This is soooo true! I have Venus and Mercury in Aries and am a Taurus ruled by Venus. I swear I was born boy crazy. I remember my first crush was when I was a mere 5-year-old kid in kindergarten! I also like to pursue and dislike men pursuing me because the men who pursue me are rarely my type at all.]

posted July 19, 2018 08:05 PM            

I read some comments and I have many of the things that are mentioned which are supposed to make me love men but I am the exact opposite.

I have Sun opposite Neptune
Sun in Cancer 12th H
Moon in Pisces trine Sun
Neptune in 7th H exactly on the DSC

I loved my father more than anyone else in this world to the point that I would give my life for his if it was possible. We couldn't have a better relationship because our relationship was close to perfect. I wish everyone had a father like mine.

I kind of hate men for a few reasons.
I see them as heartless creatures driven just by their lower heads who use their upper ones just when it's needed in order to get the lower ones happy.
They can not love since they all cheat at some point (it's a different thing if their partner finds out or wants to find out or nah). For me when someone cheats it means that they don't love you no matter how they treat you and what they say to you period.

I've installed programs to many women's laptop over the last years and I asked for them to wait a month.. Well a month proved to be too much actually. A few days were enough to catch their men cheating. All of them. And every woman I know gets cheated that is basically why every relationship I've ever heard of ended.
I am so sick of cheating.

Another reason (which is not their fault) it's that they have it so easy in life.. They just have to work and that's it.. Women have to work, have to clean, have to cook for themselves for their man and their kids just to get cheated in the end. Women have periods, they are the ones giving birth and actually taking care of the kids by themselves since dads may change a diapper once a month and they are praised like God.. and it's women's fault because they accepted all of these in the past (although it may not be this way in other countries)

I have Pluto in 5th H square Mars and Venus in 2nd H
and Saturn in 8th H.

posted July 21, 2018 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I laughed so hard while reading this thinking it was a man being in love with tge devine (in his mind) creature called man. When I realised you are a woman I was a bit shocked.

I read some comments and I have many of the things that are mentioned which are supposed to make me love men but I am the exact opposite.

I have Sun opposite Neptune
Sun in Cancer 12th H
Moon in Pisces trine Sun
Neptune in 7th H exactly on the DSC

I loved my father more than anyone else in this world to the point that I would give my life for his if it was possible. We couldn't have a better relationship because our relationship was close to perfect. I wish everyone had a father like mine.

I kind of hate men for a few reasons.
I see them as heartless creatures driven just by their lower heads who use their upper ones just when it's needed in order to get the lower ones happy.
They can not love since they all cheat at some point (it's a different thing if their partner finds out or wants to find out or nah). For me when someone cheats it means that they don't love you no matter how they treat you and what they say to you period.

I've installed programs to many women's laptop over the last years and I asked for them to wait a month.. Well a month proved to be too much actually. A few days were enough to catch their men cheating. All of them. And every woman I know gets cheated that is basically why every relationship I've ever heard of ended.
I am so sick of cheating.

Another reason (which is not their fault) it's that they have it so easy in life.. They just have to work and that's it.. Women have to work, have to clean, have to cook for themselves for their man and their kids just to get cheated in the end. Women have periods, they are the ones giving birth and actually taking care of the kids by themselves since dads may change a diapper once a month and they are praised like God.. and it's women's fault because they accepted all of these in the past (although it may not be this way in other countries)

I have Pluto in 5th H square Mars and Venus in 2nd H
and Saturn in 8th H.

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I understand where you are coming from, and I do not blame you, but that is not every man on the planet. It is quite a stereotypical view, of course, but, there are different kinds of men, just like there are different kinds of women.

I have known women who have cheated on decent men, I have known women who have abused their children, I have known women who were lazy leeches using men for money. (note lower women tend to use men for money while lower men tend to use for sex). I have known women who have molested their sons (no we weren't friends :P). The point there is that men can be bad and women can be bad, and if someone can be bad, then other people must be capable of good, to create the contrast. But not one sex is magically automatically so much better.

I know a man who was generally pretty decent, and he later realized that his relationship with his girlfriend was a sham, and that she was dating him for prestige, for money, for glory, for "practical" reasons, for security. And, for him, once he realized this, he became quite immature about it, and began to strongly dislike and distrust women, and think that they were all in it for money.

Now, the question becomes, do you think it is right for him to blame all women for his bad experiences?

I also know of another man, in a long relationship, and finally it ended, and he figured out that she had been cheating on him, because she got bored of him. And the next guy she was with, she cheated on with a married man, meanwhile with the married man, she cheated on HIM with 3 other guys lol jesus she couldn't get enough conquest.

But anyhow, the first man I mentioned, after he got burned by this woman (and had been burned a couple of times before), he finally decided women are all evil hos who cheat and scheme and use and objectify for glory or a good time. So he doesn't trust women and thinks they're all bad.

So, again, do you think it is right of him to come to these conclusions about all women because of his bad experience(s)? Certainly the women he was with weren't nice, but, surely not every woman is like that?

For every man who cheats, there is a woman somewhere in the world doing the same thing. And, for every woman who is hard working and responsible, there is a man who is the same.

And if we are to be honest, more often than not, many people, even though they cannot help it due to lack of self awareness, they all tend to lean toward their lower, base desires, but in different ways for both men AND women.

The thing is, if we develop a fixed, stubborn idea of how men are (or how women are), as in, not decent people/cheaters, then we create a confirmation bias in ourselves, and then seeing reality as is becomes that much more difficult.

For example, I can love and adore men, but that does not mean I deny the existence of bad ones, just as I do not deny the existence of good or bad women.

So, if we are closed, if we have a certain opinion that makes it so we see the world a specific way, why would the universe (or god, if you're religious) ever bring us experiences we cannot truly acknowledge or appreciate?

We won't get those experiences with truly good people, and inside, they will go into the life of someone who is more deserving and who will appreciate it. I.E good men go with people who believe in the goodness of men, and good women likewise go into the life of people who believe in them and attract their energetic signature.

But if we are wired to attract bad men or women, we will only see and attract them, and likewise attract people who are like us, and also attract such bad experiences.

Don't get me wrong, I have had bad experiences with men, too, but, I think it is rather unjust to lump everyone into specific categories.

And it is good to ask more about why someone cheats.

Cheating is never good, but, understanding the reasons why, help dispel some ideas. For example, I knew of one woman who cheated with another man, first emotionally, then physically. The reason she did so, as I understand it, was because her original man was not giving her what she needed emotionally, and was not making love to her passionately, and he was not meeting her needs.

Of course, the more mature thing to have done would have been to seriously communicate with her man, and try to find a way to get her needs met, and if she still was not able, it would have been better to break up with him rather than cheat, but she was too afraid to be honest.

And there is also a man I know of who cheated, and while it was very wrong, I understand why, and it is because he was also not getting his emotional and physical needs met, and his girlfriend was often ashamed of sex, ashamed of her own sexuality, ashamed of kinks, and only wanted sex if it was to have children, and that kind of lack of compatibility can lead to both emotional and physical holes that are not filled. Again, for him, it would have been better to communicate, voice his needs, see if she was willing without compromising who she was, and if she was not willing to be more open, the better thing to do would have been to leave. But, he cheated, and that's that, and the only think we can hope for, is for people to learn from their mistakes, where they went wrong, and become more self aware and honest with themselves and others.

People who are not honest with themselves, will have difficulty being honest with others, or have difficulty with people who are honest with them, so the way to help remedy cheating, for some, is to become more self aware and responsible for who we are and know our needs and know to be honest about them.

And we then understand that in a way, women and men have similar issues.

While yes, there are men and women who cheat because they are more like animals, just giving in to their base desires, no care of others at all. Those are meant to be avoided more than anything. There are also people who cheat because of other reasons. It is multifaceted. Tis not so black and white.

And why you are shocked, well, that's understandable, but, do you think it is an ideal state of the world or of a person? To be shocked by this?

posted July 21, 2018 08:37 PM            

I personally have no bad experiences with men and that's because I have zero experiences with men other than platonic relationships

The thing with the program I told you started about 8-9 years ago. I would hear women say "my man treats me well I'm sure he hasn't cheated on me" and blah blah, same thing I hear from every woman in a relationship. Women tend to believe words very easily when they come from a man they want fir some reason.
I remember the first time I did this.. It was a couple 6 years together and I was like "I bet x money that he cheats on you and you just haven't realised just becsuse majority of men cheat so will do yours" she said smth like "No way he treats me great, he is with me all the time except of when he is at work so even if he wanted to he doesn't have time. You are very suspicious but when you'll meet the right one and blah blah blah..."
I told her that I could prove it to her if she wasn't afraid of me doing so and she accepted.. you know the rest of the story from what I've said in my previous comment.

What I didn't tell you in my previous comment is that the women I've done this are not 2-3 nor 10-15, I'm talking for more than 90 women but it might be even 100something.
I thought that it was about 50 but I found some notes I had kept and realised that they were way more than I thought.

Same story everytime. I've heard the exact same words/phrases coming from different women. And what makes me wanna laugh so hard is their facial expression, that certainty they have like they've been 24/7 with them.

Now 100 men are nothing compared to millions of the men that exist but don't you find it weird that at a random sample 100% of those men cheated? And they are all above 25yo plus I am talking about relationships of at least 2 years not flings or new relationships.

Men can play victims if they catch you cheating even though they've done it themselves before you did. Their ego gets hurt but they don't care when they are the ones who cheat. And those justifications you said I know them all too well, they all use the same ones. I've heard all those things a million times yet what is practically proved to me is the complete opposite of what I hear. And I don't believe in words, I believe in actions.

So these men/women don't have the balls to talk to their partner because they're afraid to hurt them but it's better risking getting caught at some point by their partner, it will hurt them less? Come on.. They just want to keep their partner because they want to keep good things a stable relationship provides them while at the same time have another girl to live that first phase of a relationship, it's as simple as that. They are completely thinking about themselves and they are disrespecting their partners while at the same time they don't have the balls to say what they want to say. We are talking about grown up men not teens.

If someone isn't enough for you anymore just break up with that person out of pure respect for the time you've spebt together, it's going to happen anyway and it will be worse if the other person catches you cheating on him/her.

It's so hypocritical to me that people have difficulty in hurting others with words but not with actions..

I didn't say that women do not cheat but it may be like 50% if that.. while men at least 95% imo. Just look at surveys, almost 90% of 1000 men ages 30-50 (I think) admitted that they would cheat if they knew they wouldn't get caught for sure, most of them have done it already and I believe that more than what I believe a man talkimg to any woman since she may be his next fling/relationship etc.

I can be sure that someone has not cheated only if I am 24/7 with him or if I spy on his phone all the time with an app or smth. Both are difficult to make them happen though..

I am not trying to change your opinion by any means, the way you think will make you happier, also I am not angry or anything. I am saying this because when I express an opinion through text people feel I am aggressive or angry and that I am trying to convince them to change their opinion or smth like that. When I'm speaking though I don't have that problem at all. I guess it's because they understand from my facial expression and the tone of my voice that I am just stating an opinion in order to have a conversation.